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CMIZ5290 04-13-2019 05:33 PM

If you were starting a team today......
 
All players being the exact same age......Mantle, Mays, Aaron, Griffey Jr., or Mike Trout?

Peter_Spaeth 04-13-2019 06:11 PM

Mays

rats60 04-13-2019 06:38 PM

Clemente

tedzan 04-13-2019 06:40 PM

Hi Kevin

Absolutely.....Mickey Mantle....."Mister Clutch" in the Big games.

These other guys cannot compare with Mickey's 18 - HR's in World Series play (1952 - 1964).

Mickey being a major force for his team being in that many W.S. during those years.


TED Z

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iwantitiwinit 04-13-2019 06:43 PM

Mantle, especially with the advancement in repairing knee injuries over the past 60 years the guy would be unstoppable.

vintagebaseballcardguy 04-13-2019 06:54 PM

Mays

commishbob 04-13-2019 06:57 PM

Mays

Pilot172000 04-13-2019 07:01 PM

Mays- Best pure baseball player ever

boysblue 04-13-2019 07:06 PM

Trout

TexasDan 04-13-2019 07:08 PM

Aaron

frankbmd 04-13-2019 07:09 PM

Interesting question with several slam dunk answers

If the age was 58, I would take Satchel Paige.

If the age was 54. I would take Minnie Minoso.

And if the age was 15, it would have to be Joe Nuxhall.

For many of the ages in between I would take Willie Mays.

In film I would take Willie Mays Hayes of course.:D

A2000 04-13-2019 07:29 PM

Babe Ruth!

bbcard1 04-13-2019 07:49 PM

From that list, I would go Griffey or Mantle but would be happy with any on that list...also one not on that list...Bonds.

AGuinness 04-13-2019 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1869992)
Hi Kevin

Absolutely.....Mickey Mantle....."Mister Clutch" in the Big games.

These other guys cannot compare with Mickey's 18 - HR's in World Series play (1952 - 1964).

Mickey being a major force for his team being in that many W.S. during those years.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by A2000 (Post 1870010)
Babe Ruth!

It is an interesting question, and I would assume that it includes the caveat that what a player accomplished in his career is not necessarily included for the team we are starting today. Mantle certainly proved he could hit 18 HR in the World Series, although I would hazard a guess that every one player on the list has the talent to possibly hit 18 home runs if given 273 PA in WS play.
My gut reaction is to say Trout, because he's the only player who has proven he can do it at the elite level under the current conditions.
Ruth is a good alternative to the answers given, and I think there could be others who would be fun to drop into 2019 and see what they could do if starting their young careers now... Bonds, Bo, Josh Gibson, Cobb... I guess I'd really love to see what Bo would have done if he committed to baseball and had the modern training methods, etc!

ValKehl 04-13-2019 07:54 PM

Aaron.

Bigdaddy 04-13-2019 07:55 PM

Say Hey!

Santo10Fan 04-13-2019 08:40 PM

Hank Aaron, mainly because I never got to see him play (in person) even though he came through Wrigley every year

Rookiemonster 04-13-2019 08:54 PM

Willie Mays first 5 tool player and the best that ever did it .

JohnnyFinance7 04-13-2019 09:00 PM

I vote for Mike Trout

Neal 04-13-2019 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290 (Post 1869973)
All players being the exact same age......Mantle, Mays, Aaron, Griffey Jr., or Mike Trout?

from this list, Mays

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Neal 04-13-2019 09:11 PM

Mantle would be on TMZ every night lol

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yanksfan09 04-13-2019 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit (Post 1869993)
Mantle, especially with the advancement in repairing knee injuries over the past 60 years the guy would be unstoppable.

Agree with this out of the players stated.

Also assuming players would restart their careers now I’m assuming everyone’s at full health so I’d choose Mantle. I’d also be more hopeful that he maybe wouldn’t be able to get away with quite as much night life and hopefully fewer hangovers at the ballpark.

egri 04-13-2019 09:12 PM

I’m surprised Ted Williams hasn’t been mentioned yet. At any rate, he’s who I’d pick, though if I had to stick to the list, Trout.

yanksfan09 04-13-2019 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal (Post 1870040)
Mantle would be on TMZ every night lol

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Yea , hopefully he wouldn’t go the “Johnny football” route.

yanksfan09 04-13-2019 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by egri (Post 1870042)
I’m surprised Ted Williams hasn’t been mentioned yet. At any rate, he’s who I’d pick, though if I had to stick to the list, Trout.

Yea Williams , Cobb and Ruth May make my top 3 (not in that order) and none are mentioned.

sycks22 04-13-2019 09:40 PM

Kent Hrbek

cardsfan73 04-13-2019 10:45 PM

Going to be a homer and go with Stan Musial! Mays would be my second choice.

Huysmans 04-14-2019 12:09 AM

Mantle hands down, its not even a contest
I'm surprised others were mentioned :)

Mark17 04-14-2019 12:34 AM

Of those mentioned, Mays. Otherwise, Williams. Imagine Ted playing in the days of the 162 game schedule, with all the expansion (watering down the league's pitching talent), and not missing 5 years to military service.

Mantle didn't take care of himself; that self-destructive behavior puts him below a Mays or Williams in my book.

71buc 04-14-2019 01:01 AM

My position player would be Mays
My pitcher would be Gibson or Feller

oldjudge 04-14-2019 02:22 AM

In the post season only one of the big three performed better than he did during the regular season—Aaron. Mays stunk during the post season and Mantle had a lower batting average, SLG, and OBP than he had during the regular season. He did hit 18 HRs, but he was in the WS virtually every year from his rookie season until 1964. My choice would be Aaron.

Mark17 04-14-2019 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1870074)
In the post season only one of the big three performed better than he did during the regular season—Aaron. Mays stunk during the post season and Mantle had a lower batting average, SLG, and OBP than he had during the regular season. He did hit 18 HRs, but he was in the WS virtually every year from his rookie season until 1964. My choice would be Aaron.

There's more than one way to help win a World Series...

darwinbulldog 04-14-2019 03:53 AM

Mays

obcbobd 04-14-2019 06:30 AM

From the list - Mays

JohnP0621 04-14-2019 06:36 AM

Team
 
Joe D
His stats compare or are better than all listed.

robkas68 04-14-2019 06:40 AM

None of the above
 
Going with Ted Williams

Huysmans 04-14-2019 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark17 (Post 1870075)
There's more than one way to help win a World Series...

Yes, Mays' ONE way....
As opposed to Mantle's World Series-record 18 home runs, 40 RBIs, 26 extra-base hits and 42 runs.

Huysmans 04-14-2019 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1870074)
In the post season only one of the big three performed better than he did during the regular season—Aaron. Mays stunk during the post season and Mantle had a lower batting average, SLG, and OBP than he had during the regular season. He did hit 18 HRs, but he was in the WS virtually every year from his rookie season until 1964. My choice would be Aaron.

The problem with this is that Aaron was only able to deliver ONE postseason championship...
And for people mentioning Williams, he never brought home a single World Series win.
What's more important in the end... stats? Or championships?
Considering this, Mantle is king.

KCRfan1 04-14-2019 08:43 AM

The Yankee teams, back in the day, were loaded with talent. Aaron and Williams didn't have the luxury that Mantle had in that respect if we're looking only at championships. Put Aaron or Williams on those same Yankee teams that Mantle played on, and both players bring home the hardware too.

Huysmans 04-14-2019 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KCRfan1 (Post 1870140)
The Yankee teams, back in the day, were loaded with talent. Aaron and Williams didn't have the luxury that Mantle had in that respect if we're looking only at championships. Put Aaron or Williams on those same Yankee teams that Mantle played on, and both players bring home the hardware too.

Extremely doubtful.
The Yankees were a powerhouse first and foremost BECAUSE of Mantle.
And are you honestly going to say Aaron or Williams were as clutch??

egri 04-14-2019 10:15 AM

The Yankees had pitching depth that far exceeded the Red Sox, and Yankee management integrated the team before Tom Yawkey did. He had the first shot at Willie Mays and Ernie Banks, and passed on both.

Touch'EmAll 04-14-2019 10:49 AM

Making the assumption the careers are what they are - cannot change, just that they are all rookies at same time.

In post-season play, Hank Aaron easily tops them all: Mays BA .247, SLG .337, OPS .660 (really poor) - Mantle BA .257, SLG .535, OPS .908 - Hank Aaron BA .362, SLG .710, OPS 1.116 (now you're talkin'!)

From year #1 to year #last = Hank Aaron, bingo!

tedzan 04-14-2019 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 100backstroke (Post 1870180)
Making the assumption the careers are what they are - cannot change, just that they are all rookies at same time.

In post-season play, Hank Aaron easily tops them all: Mays BA .247, SLG .337, OPS .660 (really poor) - Mantle BA .257, SLG .535, OPS .908 - Hank Aaron BA .362, SLG .710, OPS 1.116 (now you're talkin'!)

From year #1 to year #last = Hank Aaron, bingo!


Who are you kidding ! ?

How about making a fair comparison ? ?

Aaron was only in two World Series (1957 & 1958)
Totals.... BA= .362, HR= 3, RBI = 9, SLG = .786 (1957) and .407 (1958)

Compare that with the 1952 and 1960 World Series totals...…
Mantle BA = .355, HR = 5, RBI = 13, SLG = .655 (1952) and .800 (1960)

Hey guy
I am fortunate (and old enough) to having seen all these stars play since 1947.
Unless you have, too, there is no way you can actually appreciate any of them.


TED Z

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Touch'EmAll 04-14-2019 12:47 PM

Not kidding anyone, simply looked at the stats. Aaron had 3 post season appearances - in 1969 NLCS played 3 games, had 14 At Bats and posted really good numbers. Sorry the overall sample size is small compared to Mantle, but what can you do about that? Mantle probably had better overall teams to help get to more post season appearances.

Mark17 04-14-2019 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Huysmans (Post 1870156)
Extremely doubtful.
The Yankees were a powerhouse first and foremost BECAUSE of Mantle.
And are you honestly going to say Aaron or Williams were as clutch??

If Mantle was THE reason the Yankees won so many pennants, then why did he only win 1/3 of the Yankee MVP awards during the 1951-1964 period?

Yankee MVPs:

1951 AL Yogi Berra
1954 AL Yogi Berra
1955 AL Yogi Berra
1956 AL Mickey Mantle
1957 AL Mickey Mantle
1960 AL Roger Maris
1961 AL Roger Maris
1962 AL Mickey Mantle
1963 AL Elston Howard

Huysmans 04-14-2019 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark17 (Post 1870211)
If Mantle was THE reason the Yankees won so many pennants, then why did he only win 1/3 of the Yankee MVP awards during the 1951-1964 period?

Yankee MVPs:

1951 AL Yogi Berra
1954 AL Yogi Berra
1955 AL Yogi Berra
1956 AL Mickey Mantle
1957 AL Mickey Mantle
1960 AL Roger Maris
1961 AL Roger Maris
1962 AL Mickey Mantle
1963 AL Elston Howard

If this had any realistic bearing.... why aren't Maris, Berra or Howard considered better players than Mantle??? NO ONE being honest would even consider that, so this is meaningless. There have been discussions on here whether Maris is even HOF material, with the majority feeling he isn't (I think he is), so what relevance are MVP awards in the big picture?
When the things that are most important are considered, his World Series records and total Fall Classic victories... Mantle is tops.

oldjudge 04-14-2019 01:40 PM

I was an avid Yankee fan growing up in the Bronx. The guys I thought of as clutch players were Berra and Skowron, not Mantle. Williams or Aaron could have absolutely won as many championships or more if they were on the Yankees instead of Mantle.

oldjudge 04-14-2019 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1870202)
Who are you kidding ! ?

How about making a fair comparison ? ?

Aaron was only in two World Series (1957 & 1958)
Totals.... BA= .362, HR= 3, RBI = 9, SLG = .786 (1957) and .407 (1958)

Compare that with the 1952 and 1960 World Series totals...…
Mantle BA = .355, HR = 5, RBI = 13, SLG = .655 (1952) and .800 (1960)

Hey guy
I am fortunate (and old enough) to having seen all these stars play since 1947.
Unless you have, too, there is no way you can actually appreciate any of them.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted-Take the rose colored glasses off. If you want to cherry pick years I'll focus on 1961-63.

Huysmans 04-14-2019 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1870220)
I was an avid Yankee fan growing up in the Bronx. The guys I thought of as clutch players were Berra and Skowron, not Mantle. Williams or Aaron could have absolutely won as many championships or more if they were on the Yankees instead of Mantle.

Its funny that Aaron and Williams are based on "what ifs" as opposed to actual facts. If they could take teams to World Series championships like Mantle did... they would have. There would be no need for conjecture and postulation.
Could've, should've, would've....

If Ted's opinions are through rose coloured glasses, with all due respect, yours are based on pure assumption.

Mark17 04-14-2019 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huysmans (Post 1870215)
If this had any realistic bearing.... why aren't Maris, Berra or Howard considered better players than Mantle??? NO ONE being honest would even consider that, so this is meaningless. There have been discussions on here whether Maris is even HOF material, with the majority feeling he isn't (I think he is), so what relevance are MVP awards in the big picture?
When the things that are most important are considered, his World Series records and total Fall Classic victories... Mantle is tops.

I am not saying Mantle wasn't the overall best player on his team. Just like Mays was the best on the Giants, Aaron on the Braves, Clemente on the Pirates, and Williams on the Red Sox.

What I AM saying is that 6 times out of 9, when the sportswriters voted on who was the single Yankee most responsible for them winning the pennant during that given year, they named one of Mickey's teammates instead of him.

Point is, he was on a great team surrounded by all sorts of talent, so you can't give him all the credit for his many post-season opportunities. In 1962, Mantle played only 123 games, and in 1963 he played in only 65 games, but both years the Yankees won the pennant. In other words, they could win even with Mantle not in the lineup on a regular basis.


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