T205 Master List **Updated 4/8/22**
 

If you can confirm any new cards please post pics of Front and Back. I will update the list as needed. Thank you to all that have contributed over the years.

Reserved

We need help with Broadleaf color confirmations

Andrew,

The images you posted are very hard to view. I might be able to help as I added a couple to my master list in the last year (two I think confirmed) but I cannot make out your list.

Joshua

PS Edited to say Andrew not Turner (so used to replying to Turner :)
PPS Images better now. Thanks

If they can be sent to my email in a larger form I can help with making them larger on the screen.

Here is the thread I started on the Hoffmans including the breakdown of backs I found online using cardtarget:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=216882

I no longer own some of these and have thought about removing the pictures from my Flickr (so as not to confuse others into thinking I own them still), but didn't want to ruin the original thread. I would suggest, though, that if you want any of the photos you should save them as I may finally clean out my Flickr.

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T205 Hindu Cicotte
 

Scans of T205 Hindu Cicotte attached.

I sent an email with the list. See if you can get them better focused. Scans are clear till I upload them.

Excel Spreadsheet Of List
 

I hesitate to say this, but I have this list as an Excel spreadsheet. Someone on Net54 sent it to me several years ago and can't even remember who, or I'd give them proper credit. Is there a place where it could be posted so that it could be downloaded by anyone who wanted it? If not, you can just send me your email address and I'll send it to you.

I would be more than happy to update it and post to board if you’d like.

Send to sococamo@gmail.com

Other than the Cicotte above, I cannot add anything except you seem to be missing a page...everyone from Jacklitsch to Matty.

Joshua

I got Cicotte marked. Can everyone not see the page? I can try to resend if needed.

I came across a Pied 42 William Bergen working on my Pied 42 Subset.

Thanks Paul. I also have Lobert BL Olive to confirm

Do not have time to look at the whole list but if you want any Cubs confirmed, have all but 4 possible cards of the possible 151 front backs. Send me a list and I can check.

Ken please see post 1 for list. Check it when you have time

What caused there to be so many question marks in the Hindu column? I have never seen nor read of a Daubert Hindu.

Maybe this thread will help shine some light on your question.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=258495

Are you referring to the following from that link? I'm just wondering why there is a question mark for Daubert Hindu (and some other players) but not all.

"Another possible tie is very strong based on the amount of Hindu to Drums confirmed. I think Hindus were stopped during printing due to court issues surrounding the ATC issue. I have often wondered if the way they were distributed was a very simple process of all the fronts being printed and then these went to this factory and those went to that factory. That’s where the backs are applied and why some say 400 and some say Assorted. I base that on the master list showing certain cards only available at certain factories. Also if you remove all the type set on the back the entire boarder, company and factory name is etched. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a copper plate inscribed with the boarder, company name, and factory #."

I see that there may be a pattern with other players, who do have a Hindu printed. But then shouldn't question marks be inserted for Piedmont 42 where none exist but it is possible (like Daubert). I'm not suggesting to insert more question marks. Quite the contrary. The question marks are very questionable. :)

Joe Birmingham has the same pattern as Daubert but no Hindu question mark.

See linked thread. Birmingham is on the possible list.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...indu+confirmed

No Piedmont 42’s can not be found on any Hindu backed players. Also this list is only confirmed cards. Some possibles and verifies haven’t been marked. There may be some cards that got my missed on my list. As time goes I will catch back up. I owned 2 copies of the Pied 42 Bergen and didn’t have it in my written list. Ron Korn@ki gathered info for a master list site and then disappeared. I just referenced that list till finding out it’s gone now. The list above should help till we have a chance to get a master site back up. Something I have thought about especially now

Thanks! The list definitely helps!

John D. Miller Polar Bear - First line bio "John B. Miller"
 

I found one more not yet on this list - John D. Miller Polar Bear - First line bio "John B. Miller"

Thanks Gonzo. Great find


If anyone has a Hassan 649 run or can confirm some more for the list we would be happy to have them. I will give it a few weeks then rescan list with all updates. I will see if Leon could post them up again when it comes time.

Bump

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T205 HINDU list
 

Hi Andrew

Here's my current list of the 23 subjects confirmed with HINDU backs (with respect to their Team affiliation)......

This list agrees with the HINDU column in your Master list in Post #1.


New York Giants
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Leon Ames
Josh Devore
W. R. Dickson


Cincinnatti Reds
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Robert Bescher
Richard Egan
Harry Gaspar


Chicago Cubs
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John Kling
John Pfeister


Detroit Tigers
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George Simmons
Oscar Stanage


Philadelphia Phillies
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Fred Jacklitsch
Sherwood Magee
William Bransfield


Washington Senators
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Walter Johnson
GeorgeMcBride


Boston Red Sox
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Eddie Cicotte
Clyde Engle
Jacob Stahl


Boston Rustlers
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Bayard Sharpe


Brooklyn Superbas
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Edgar Lennox


Chicago White Sox
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Hugh Duffy


Pittsburg Pirates
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Albert Leifield


St Louis Browns
-------------------
William Bailey



Thanks gonzo for the Bransfield input.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Bransfield Hindu also exists.

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...re-hindu-back/

Here's my John D. Miller Piedmont 42 - I THINK that it's a "B over D", but it might be a "B"...or just a D...

Confirmed
 

I love handwritten compilation lists like this...I have a few of my own. This Broadleaf black of Wheat can now get its 'X'.

Brian

Omg I am in love. A unicorn if I say so myself. D over B variation with a Pied 42. Absolutely amazing. You can clearly see it with your copy

I absolutely love it guys. Keep them backs coming. Thank you all so much for helping make a complete master list something possible

Andrew, to me it looks like The D on Gregs factory 42 has a couple
of excess ink blobs on the D similar to this Piedmont factory 25 that
has a blob on the left of the D and a piece of the right side has an area
where the ink was blocked giving it the appearance of a B.

Attachment 326192Attachment 326193

and a PB with excess ink inside the D
Attachment 326194

and here's a few more PB B variations
Attachment 326195Attachment 326196
Attachment 326197Attachment 326198

I guess it should be called D over B variation since the D was the corrected letter.

I have never seen a fully connected B under the D. All have been broken in the middle and the curve of the D is noticeably straighter. If you look at your PB example you can see what looks to be the upper curve of the B extending past the D typeset. It was probably easier to make a small change to a letter than it was to remove and reset rows of type

My B and D. Miller variations:

https://iili.io/Fj4e7S.md.jpghttps://iili.io/Fj4kk7.md.jpg

Andrew - Check out this thread from a while ago:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150383

Collins Yellow Elephant exists with a HLC reverse. According to my notes, this makes it available on Piedmont 25 and HLC to date.

Thanks Turner. That is a prime D example. I am going to start a variation thread and see what backs are popping up more now.

Bump this thread for anyone new to the T205's

Wiltse both ears
 

I don't see Wiltse both ears SC red marked.

Sovereigns
 

I’m not at home right now to get you scans, but Wiltse (2 ears) and Meyers, both have Sovereign backs. I have the a complete run of 123 of them, and pretty sure that’s the final number.

Cheers,
Geno

Thanks for the list, Andrew. Do you recall how Bridwell Piedmont 42 came to be checklisted? Do you have a scan, or have you seen one before? Thanks for the info, Rob

Bridwell was owned by me and sold off a few years back.

Okay, thanks. I'm working on a Bridwell back run, and the p42 is the only one I don't have.

It is a very very tough FB combo. Good luck on finding one for your run. Maybe another board member has one they would part with.

If someone would be kind enough to provide me a printable and readable T205 front/back master spreadsheet for old eyes I will go thru my 291 T205 cards for comparison. I could then use it as a checklist and I would make mine available to others and note which cards are raw. This way it may be possible to begin compiling a centralized shared database for us hard core collectors of raw cards that are not included in slabbed and graded population reports. I know there are some very nice cards that have not been graded...I own very few and have never submitted one.
Thanks in advance,
John

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I am currently working on updating the whole list. Not as fast as it should be with a few new confirmed backs and variants. Using an excel spreadsheet and then will screen shot them and upload to board. I will replace the existing list shown above and just update the header and body info in this thread rather than make another thread and add to the confusion. Thank you for being patient.

Everything before this post has been updated on new list if necessary.


Still needing a lot of Hassan backs verified so feel free to post any that you have along with any others that are needing updated.

Are there any other cards that need to be addressed in the list? I know there has to be a couple somewhere.

I checked my 291 T205's against the spreadsheet I was forwarded and I have 5 that were not checked off on that spreadsheet.

Duffy - Hindu back
Bergen - Piedmont factory 42
Miller - American Beauty green ink
Richie - Broad Leaf black ink
Wheat - Broad Leaf black inkhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ef93bac03e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0b9e6560b7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...4fc2786520.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...675d64e555.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8da05e1f49.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d996b952d4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...79d7b9648f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...03a6f1b4d9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f37de5086c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...438b932194.jpg

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Wonderful to see the Duffy Hindu. Thank you for posting. Gives me hope that someday the Daubert Hindu will surface.

Thanks for posting those new additions to the verified list. After talking to you recently I was waiting to see them. Congratulations.

Beautiful cards. Thank you for sharing and I will get them updated.

Can you provide an individual scan of the Miller AB Green Back. Need to verify what variation it is. Looks to be the D over B but want to make extra sure before adding to list. Thank you

Tried to get as good a pic of the top back as I couldhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9c844cb5da.jpg

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I can clearly see the B with the broken line but the typeset has yet to be modified on this card. I would call it a B variation but it is clearly a broken B. I know there are not a lot of AB's out there of Miller but maybe someone else could display the backs they have to get a representative sample. Then we can say whether or not a Broken B variation is a go or just throw it in with the B variation. I have attached a pic of a D over B Variation from a PB back. You can see the alteration clearly.

Here's another Miller AB.

Johnny Bates SC Red 42
 

Andrew
New to the site and love the T205 master list, glad I found it. Noticed the Johnny Bates Sweet Caporal Red Factory 42 was not on the list. Here is an image.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/js...-no?authuser=0

I will add it once the pic shows up. Thank you

? he posted a picture of the card.

Unless the card is completely white on both sides, I don't see it either.

Brian

I can see the card posted. I think he linked it rather than posting it as a .jpg, which means in some applications you can't see it.
I am new to collecting T205s, so this may be a stupid question. But, the problem I'm having is a discrepancy with the Master Lists. I downloaded page one of the Master List zip file and it shows Sweet Caporal Red, Factory 25. But the Master List Excel file that I received from another Net54 member just lists Sweet Cap Red, without a factory designation.

The Excel T205 Master List sheet has these headings:
AB - BLACK
AB - GREEN
BL-BLACK
BL-GREEN
CYCLE
DRUM
HASSAN - 30
HASSAN - 649
HINDU
HONEST LC
PIEDMONT 25
PIEDMONT 42
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN
SC- 25 BLACK
SC- 42 BLACK
SC- RED

But the T205 .pdf Master List sheet has these headings:
American Beauty Black
American Beauty Green
Broadleaf Black
Broadleaf Olive Green
Cycle
Drum
Hassan-Factory 30
Hassan-Factory 649
Hindu
Honest Long Cut
Piedmont-Factory 25
Piedmont-Factory 42
Polar Bear
Sovereign
Sweet Caporal Black-Factory 25
Sweet Caporal Black-Factory 42
Sweet Caporal Red-Factory 25

That's funny it even shows up for me in the post Andrew quoted.

Here's a scan of another bates SC factory 42

Attachment 466470

Bridwell
 

Andrew,

If you have a scan or picture of the PD 42 Bridwell I would like to see it. I was told by one of the 205 gurus that it was not a verified or possible card.

Thanks,
Adam

The point I was trying to make, is the T205 Master List Heading appears to have an error. The header is shown below. According to this article on T205 backs, the Sweet Cap Red Print only comes in Factory 42 but the header lists it as Factory 25.

Definitely they made a boo-boo. The Sweet Caporal Red only comes with Factory 42 designation.

Brian

Thank you Brian. :)

Looks to me that the heading was incorrect for the SC Red. I need to make a few changes and then repost master list. Was having issues getting the last change to format in a zip so i could upload.

Scan, pic
 

Andrew,

Do you have a scan or pic of this Bridwell PD 42 ?

t205 Tom Downey Sweet Caporal Red Addition
 

Please add Tom Downey's Sweet Caporal Red Factory 42 to the master list.
Attachment 466734

Attachment 466735

T205 Doyle American Beauty and Honest Long cut additions
 

Please add Larry Doyles Honest Long Cut and American Beauty Green to the master listAttachment 466736

Attachment 466737

Attachment 466738

Attachment 466739

Bounty/Reward
 

I guess I will start a "reward" for a scan of the Bridwell Piedmont 42.

$50 paypal F&F for a picture or scan. Maybe for now it should be eliminated from the confirmed list ?

Lots of new additions.Thank you guys.

Adam I have no issue removing a card from the list. Would love to know why you think it’s impossible, as you claim, for it to not have a pied 42 back. You offered no plausible explanation other than someone else said so. I can say nothing on this list has not been verified in person or via scan. I can offer up the idea of marking incorrectly as being plausible too.

Master List correction
 

Please correct the listing for Frank Schulte American Beauty back from Black to Green. I've attached a scan of the back along side a black back for comparision.
Attachment 467603

T205 Bridwell Piedmont 42
 

I also collect T205 Piedmont 42s, and I believe that Bridwell doesn't come with that back.

I think this is true (though I would be thrilled to see counterexamples!):

If a T205 card comes with an American Beauty Black back
and it comes with a Hassan 649 back
then it will not come with a Piedmont 42 back.

Some cards that I've seen with AB Black and Hassan 649, but not with a Pied 42, include (among others):
Jimmy Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
Russ Blackburne
Al Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Hal Chase
...etc.

Cards that I've seen with AB Black and Pied 42, but not Hassan 649:
Bill Bergen
Tom Downey
Dick Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Pat Moran
Ed Phelps
Zach Wheat

List has been updated as of 4/8/22. Please post any new additions or changes that need to be made. Zip file is attached to first post in thread as well as below.

Again thank you all for the support and help with this list.