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OT: Will the NL adopt the DH soon?
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The Braves might be in favor of the DH:
Pitchers were 23-for-283 - that's a .081 clip, folks. Foltynewicz, Newcome and Anabel Sanchez: 3/58; 2/45 & 1/42 = 6-for-145 - .041 with 98 Ks Giving up a ton of ABs! . |
I hope not. Takes away some of the strategy of the game
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What about talk to require a minimum of three batters for a relief pitcher. I get it, they want to cut down the game time but that just seems a bit extreme.
There are a limited number of pitchers on the roster so it's not like the manager doesn't have to take that into consideration. What happens if the pitcher is hurt and cannot pitch to the minimum 3 batters? Do they force the club to put the pitcher on the DL just to show the injury was sufficient? If they want to speed up the game then wouldn't adding a DH to the NL squad do the opposite? |
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And who wants to live in a world where this would no longer be possible...
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If they want to improve the game for the fans, the most important is to fire any broadcaster or writer for mlb who uses stats that we don’t understand or care about like : launch angle, fip, exit velocity, wRc, etc. It’s the #1 thing driving fans away. Just stick to hits, rbi, batting average, era, strikeouts.
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DH takes away strategy but adds offense, and I think fans enjoy high scoring games. Also, it's time for both leagues to play with the same rules. Although controversial, maybe not a bad idea to employ it.
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In games between teams from each conferencre, the rule applicable for the home team would be used for that game. In the Super Bowl the rules for the team that won the coin flip would be used in the first and fourth quarters and the other rules would be used in the second and third quarter. Think about it. Is there anyone in their right mind, if such a scheme was adopted, who would not think it was created and approved by an idiot, or a rules committee populated by a majority of idiots. The whole DH thing hasn’t made sense for forty odd years since it was instituted. If you raise your son to become an AL pitcher, you don’t allow him to touch a bat. He can then skip tee ball and get his first Tommy John operation before Little League. Fine. NL pitchers will be culled from Little League shortstops who are clearly the best all around players on their team, whose talent in the batter’s box is gradually lost in college and the minor leagues where DHing is king. Personally I would eliminate the DH from the AL, but adopting the DH in the NL is far better than the current system, I will concede. Half the NBA shouldn’t have to play on an ice rink. Marathon runners shouldn’t have to compete against smart cars at Indy. How about a cross between golf and whack a mole where the hole is continually moving on the green, or where half the holes are suspended .10 feet off the ground and Tiger Woods Jr. could literally be a chip of the old block. Disclaimer: This post was written while sober and not in a bowling alley, where the consumption of adult beverages can impact the results of the game. Cheers! |
I'm not in favor of the DH in the the NL but I believe its inevitable. If they want more offense, then ban the damn shifts.
When I saw the new proposals, the only one that made no sense was giving a draft advantage to winning teams over losing teams, how does that help competitive balance? |
Maybe baseball can become football -- one team for batting and another for defense. I don't like the DH, and baseball was and is just fine without it.
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While I have deep appreciation and or the history of the game, the DH has to be universal.
Pitchers hit about .115 last season. If I am an owner, the LAST thing I need is my pitcher trying to beat out a throw and pull a hammy, or slide into a base and get injured. For nothing else, I have too much money invested to run that risk. I don't want my pitcher at the plate swinging away that could tweak something, or have an errant pitch get away and my guy get hit on the elbow, forearm , or hand and bruise or break a bone. This is just common sense now. I want my guy to concentrate about mound stuff, and let my hitters hit. |
Pitchers could never hit a lick, back then or today
PERIOD Walter Johnson Warren Spahn Don Drysdale Bob Gibson Don Larsen Madison Bumgarner Shohei Ohtani Oh I almost forgot Babe Ruth |
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Works in basketball too You have two seven footers on your team. Put one under your defensive basket - the shot blocker And the other under your offensive basket - the dunker Why should those big boys have to run?:eek: |
This is long over due, I have seen pitcher only start as early as 12u baseball and the next time they bat Would be if they made it to the National League. Dh starts in high school but can be used for any position if your pitcher is such a good hitter just dont use the Dh there is no penalty.
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Well, if we standardize the DH, then why not make all the parks universal?
Seem silly center field is 436 at Minute Maid and only 390 at Fenway. Why does Oakland Coliseum have all the foul ground and Coors field doesn't. NFL fields are all the same. Why not MLB then? :) Quote:
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The only proposed rule change that made sense to me was roster size.
26 man roster makes sense now. In the past, you had 25 man rosters with 10 pitchers. Managers could pinch hit without fear. A strategy was utilized more so than now. With teams now carrying 12/13 pitchers, the benches are very thin. And limit the Sept. roster to 28, that would make the absurd rule of 3 batter minimum not necessary. With rosters at 28, they could not load up on relief pitchers. |
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Why not keep the DH separate in the regular season but universal in all ballparks in the postseason? As for strategy....what is more difficult. Facing a lineup of 9 professional hitters or facing 8 players, an automatic out all because of pinch hitting and double switches?
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When I was a kid playing baseball the best athlete was always the pitcher. Then when he didn't pitch he played shortstop. Oh and by the he was almost always the best hitter. Its just like the specialization of all sports. If pitchers hit all the time wouldn't they continue to be good hitters. It doesn't seem to hurt Micheal Lorenzen for the Reds.
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Frank- I'd pay to see Lebron slam in the crease & Usane Bolt blowing past that 43rd car, but the convergence of Golf and Whack-a-Mole may be your greatest invention to date. Tiger's caddy would have to be...wait for it...Bill Murray. = |
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Conclusion, you would see better hitting pitchers in the majors if the DH was eliminated from the ground up. |
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I hope this happens. At least we can all stop pretending to care about the double switch.
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When the DH first appeared in 1973, the leagues were separate, so while it was odd for each league to have different rules, it at least didn't cause any problems. Now that we have interleague play, the rules are determined by who is the home team. That's ridiculous.
Either have the DH in both leagues, or get rid of it entirely. Doesn't matter to me which one they utimately choose, but having separate rules makes no sense. And I agree completely about neutralizing the defensive shifts. If a batter keeps hitting into the shift, he is going to see it for the rest of his career. And his production will be greatly diminished. But if he learns to slap the ball the other way and puts together a few 4 for 5 games, watch how quickly they will end. It seems to me that batters who have seen a shift in the past should be taking a little extra batting practice in spring training to learn how to hit to the opposite field. |
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Every team in every sport spends countless hours trying to come up with counters to their opponents offensive and defensive switches, yet baseball hasn't figured how to counter the defensive shift. And it isn't even complicated. I find the whole thing baffling. |
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Or maybe Maxi-golf where you drive through an actual windmill. Quote:
The senior class picnic/outing in college we had a softball tournament. I was on a team with a bunch of other people nobody cool wanted on their team. 3 inning games. First game I had a perfect game! Second game they put in a rule that the pitcher had to have a beer on the mound at all times, and had to drink after each batter. We won the second game! Third game the pitching control was just gone along with any ability to win. Still had a great time :D:D:D:D I like both the DH, and seeing pitchers hit. Especially when the get a hit and seem totally lost on the basepaths. |
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Just a bit off center is the deep part of Fenway at 420 They sort of tried building "standard" stadiums in the 70's, and it was dull dull dull. |
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FWIW, I like most of the other rule changes. |
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25 to 26 seems inconsequential to me. Let’s make it 25 to 46. With an additional 20 arms in the bullpen, more specialization based on analytics would be possible, as well as more commercial breaks for pitching changes. Warren Whiffle could pitch only in the eighth inning with one out and two runners on base to a right handed 32 year old pitch hitter with a batting average between .276 and .282 with a tendency to swing at sliders off the plate 3 inches above his patella. In fact Warren has never pitched successfully to any batter who did not have this profile, believe or not. |
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If both leagues continue to play each other throughout the season then one rule needs to be in place. My vote is for the "Home Team" to have the option to decide before each game if the game will be played with or without the DH that day. This would increase and not decrease strategy in the game. The manager would have to review both rosters( strenghts vs rh and lh pitchers) and decide that day based on his pitcher (Rh vs LH) and the opposing pitcher if he wanted to use the DH that day or not. Many factors involved( bench, your injuries vs the oppsing team injuries etc). If playing a team with a great DH and you know he may not play if you decide not to use the DH that day then that would be a great strategy ( maybe making the opposing manager put (Pujols or Cruz ) on the bench etc. Pujols has an injury, then no DH that day and that would eliminate the opposing teams DH that day. Endless factors and possibilies . More strategy not less. Would be a lot of discussion and second guessing. Sounds fun to me.
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No DH!! Ever!!
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Your stats above show just how overblown the DH discussion is. Using the Braves stats as your example pitchers hit fewer than 2 times per game. Do we really need to eliminate the primary source of strategy in the game for 2 better at bats? I’d prefer to eliminate the DH altogether but the Players Union would never allow it. |
I can't believe the union would be in favor of the DH in the NL. That means one player on every NL team will lose their job. Hard to believe the union would support that. Someone's getting cut to make room and a lot of those players serve no other purpose than to pinch hit or be a defensive replacement.
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And as far as the union goes, I would imagine that the average salary for a DH is higher than that of the last man off the bench who is used to pinch hit. A lot of the DHs are higher paid veterans who can't field a lick, but can still hit the big fly. Like it or not (and generally I'm against the DH), the NL is the last holdout in the universe that has not embraced the DH. Any change going forward will be the NL letting go and joining all the other baseball leagues in existence. Not the other way around. ps. One good thing about the DH at younger levels is that it gets one more kid off the bench and on the field in a game. Yes, their PT is limited, but their name is in the lineup. |
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That's assuming a lot. What if the last guy cut is in the bullpen? I don't see the union being in favor of prospective salary over salary that exists. Just seems like they're advocating for someone losing their job. I'm not saying the times don't change, just that it's an unusual thing for the union to support. |
The strategy argument is complete BS. 99% of the time, the pinch hitter is a better batter than the pitcher. So if it seems the pitcher is weakening, you pinch hit, and if the pitcher is dominating, he stays in. NO strategy there. And the double-switch, really.
I look at it this way: If a position player is out a few games, clubs send him to the minors to get in a few AB's. If this is the case, all NL starting pitchers should be sent to their minor league clubs to see live pitching on their days off. The game is too specialized, and watching a pitcher's at bat is one of the worst, and most embarrassing parts of baseball. The only players who truly like this archaic rule are the NL starters themselves. (for easy outs) LONG LIVE THE DH! :D |
I'm in favor of most of these rules. Pitch clocks? Yes, please. Reducing pitching changes by having a minimum number of batters faced? Yes, please. One rule for DH, even if it's not the one I want? Yes, please. Draft penalties for teams that intentionally tank and don't spend money? Yes, please.
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I find the minimum batters faced rule counter intuitive to the union's cause too. There are lefty's who make their living pitching to one guy. If you force that guy to pitch to 3 batters, it should be assumed effectiveness will drop and that guy will probably be out of a job.
It also seems silly to me that baseball, a sport without a game clock, would be so concerned with a fictional game clock. |
How about 5 or 6 foul balls and you're out? To a point it makes for good drama with a batter battling a pitcher, but past that point it's just trying to increase pitch counts and the delay is annoying.
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When I go to a ballgame or watch one on TV, I do not want anything to do with watching a pitch clock -- or even just knowing in my mind that one is ticking. It's just so contrary to the essence of the game, in my opinion.
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Baseball rules are interesting. It's the pitchers advantage for the first 2 foul balls ( called strikes) and then it's the batters advantage the rest of the way ( 10+) foul balls. Unless you foul a bunt, and then it is a strike 3. Strange.
Speed of game ( time) would be solved if the batter had to stay in the batter's box and not adjust his batting gloves after every pitch. They foul a ball and walk 5-10 feet from the plate. 300 pitches a game ( save 3 sec ea) that's 900 sec. or 15 minutes and I think most would be happy with a 2hr-45min game. |
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Ok, my two cents. Only mine.
I have not watched a game in two years. I do check the scores and the standings. The game is losing me. No breakup play a second base. No crashing into to home as the ball gets there. It is changing and not for me. The DH is cheap. Since Ron Bloomberg, no pitcher in the AL had to bat (regular season) after plunking a batter or pitching him tight. That is gone in the AL and apparently, in the NL soon. It also removes the sac bunt from the pitcher and a variety of things. Changed the DL list to a Inactive List is just PC move. Ridiculous, whatever. I guess next is pinch runner where they stand by home plate until the ball is hit, then run. Check instant replay to see if he left the circle before the ball was hit by the batter. MLB is losing me. But that is just me. |
There is little more fundamental in baseball than the expectation that a player both bats and fields. This is not football. The AL has had the DH for nearly 4 decades. I see no evidence that AL games are better than NL games. Bag it.
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Pitch clocks could speed up the game.
A reduction of pitching changes could speed up the game. Everybody would like to reduce the time it takes to play a game. But what about the poor advertisers. Simple, the players can imitate their NFL counterparts and feign injuries to create the requisite number of commercial breaks. Whoops, I guess game times will not be shorter after all. I would also like to second my own vote to eliminate the DH at all levels. Pitchers will be better hitters if they are allowed to hit at all levels. |
If I were a GM, I do not want my pitcher swinging a bat and running the bases. I am paying him handsomely to pitch, not bat.
I don't want him risking an errant slide, or twisting an ankle hitting the base wrong, getting hit on the elbow or forearm or hand by a pitch that got away. The risk is too great for injury. I want to protect my guy. And Mad Bum ( regard as a good hitting pitcher ) does not help his team at the plate, nor is he a good batter. He hits less than .200 career. I don't want him to be a good batter or need for him to be a good batter. I want him working on pitching. I need for him to be an ace on the mound. Which he is. As a reminder, his arm won the 2014 WS, not his bat prowess. |
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