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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisIt was the Summer of '47....my sister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread packages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams, a Stan Musial, or the new rookie sensation....a Jackie Robinson BB card. Our Mom couldn't buy enough of the Bond Bread loafs. So, we had our Dad buying Bond Bread for his restaurant and our Aunt buying Bond Bread. In the Fall of 1947, we experienced one of the most exciting World Series ever played. 1947 was a tremendous year for BB, and a great start for me in the wonderful life-long hobby of col- lecting BB cards. These B/W cards were really popular with the kids in our neighborhood. By trading & sharing our collections with each other, we eventually realized that there were no more than 44 BB players and 4 Boxers in a complete set. 1947 Homogenized BOND BREAD wrapper <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bondbreadwrapper.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> Many cards in this set are the very 1st (or rookie) cards issued of the players. Shown here are the 1st cards of Yogi Berra, Stan Musial, Jackie Pobinson, Gil Hodges, Ralph Kiner and Bobby Thomson. <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1947bb6rookiestars.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> This set has been the source of much confusion in the hobby for many years. The only true 1947 Bond Bread cards are these 48 in this general set and the Jackie Robinson set. All of which have beveled (or ROUNDED) corners in order to fit into the bread loaf packages. Unfortunately, other issues that resemble the Bond Bread cards that were issued after 1947 and were never packaged in Bond Bread loafs have been mis-identified as "1947 Bond Bread" cards. Grading Co. have been most guilty of erroneously labeling these SQUARE "imposters". Shown here are two cards from the 1949 (unknown) issue which includes 24 of the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and an additional BB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that era were included. These cards may have been printed by the same firm that printed the 1947 set. However, their SQUARE corners and their inferior cardboard stock belie the fact that these cards are NOT related to the "1947 Bond Bread" issue. A recent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest a 1949 issue date since Walker Cooper is depicted in this col- lection as a NY Giant (Cooper was traded to Cinci in the Summer of '49). 1949 (unknown) issue <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1949cardsrizzutostewart.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> A 1947 Bond Bread Team/checklist will follow in the next post here. TED Z

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Jim ThierfelderGreat post Ted, very informative. The Bond bread cards are a little before my time but I always enjoy hearing stories about collecting before collecting was big business.

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Mark TylickiGreat stuff Ted Here's one of the Exhibit size issues labeled as a Bond Bread... <img src="http://www.rustywilly.com/cards/PSACARD/1229940_051_FRONT.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.rustywilly.com/cards/PSACARD/1229940_051_BACK.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisHere is the Walker Cooper card that I noted in the initial post here. It was never included in the original 1947 Bond Bread (ROUND cornered cards) issue. And, this fact tells us that indeed there was a subsequent (SQUARE cornered cards) issue....totally unrelated to the 1947 Bond Bread issue. <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1193714837/last-1195061538/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1193714837/last-1195061538/</a> Another factor telling us that these 2 issues (the 1947 and the "1949") are unrelated....is why are all 48 original cards not available in the SQUARE version ? Only 24 of the BB cards and two of the Boxing cards from the 1947 set are in the SQUARE version. And, added in the SQUARE version was Walker Cooper. I do not claim to be an expert regarding these SQUARE cards. They are a real "mystery" to most in the hobby. And, I do not know of anyone that can solve this mystery. Any new thoughts on this subject are greatly appreciated. TED Z

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Dan ParadisExcellent post Ted. Here's the few Bond Bread cards I have: Dan <img src="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u265/danp306/Berra1947BondBreadSGC30-1.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u265/danp306/P3110316.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Sean CI've always wanted to know more about these cards, and specifically about the Robinson cards. I remember back in the late 80's, early 90's there was a reported big find of the square corner cards that were being sold through SCD and other hobby magazines. You can still usually find them for less than $100 or so. Were they legit, or just reprints? While checking for an image of it on eBay, I did find this even more interesting card: <img src="http://joesvintagesportscards.com/Merchant2/graphics/Graded_Pics/G1_1229940-011.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> It's the same image as the Robinson I was referring to above, I've never seen or heard about it before (the cut or the image on the back. Does anyone have any info about it?

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Ted Zanidakis<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bondbread1947jdybtwjr.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> Listed here are the 44 BB cards in this set by Teams and the 4 Boxers NEW YORK GIANTS ------------------- JOHNNY MIZE SID GORDON LARRY JANSEN SHELDON JONES BUDDY KERR WHITEY LOCKMAN WILLARD MARSHALL BOBBY THOMSON BROOKLYN DODGERS -------------------- JACKIE ROBINSON REX BARNEY RALPH BRANCA BRUCE EDWARDS CARL FURILLO JOE HATTEN GIL HODGES PEE WEE REESE NEW YORK YANKEES -------------------- JOE DiMAGGIO LARRY BERRA JOE GORDON CHARLIE KELLER JOHNNY LINDELL PHIL RIZZUTO AARON ROBINSON BOSTON RED SOX ------------------ TED WILLIAMS DOM DIMAGGIO BOBBY DOERR JOHNNY PESKY CLEVELAND INDIANS --------------------- BOB FELLER LOU BOUDREAU KEN KELTNER BIRDIE TEBBETTS ST LOUIS CARDINALS ---------------------- STAN MUSIAL HARRY BRECHEEN ENOS SLAUGHTER BOSTON BRAVES ----------------- JOHNNY SAIN BOB ELLIOTT TOMMY HOLMES CINCINNATI REDS ------------------- EWELL BLACKWELL JOHNNY VANDERMEER CHICAGO CUBS ------------- ANDY PAFKO PHILADELPHIA ATHLETICS -------------------------- EDDIE JOOST PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES ------------------------- DEL ENNIS PITTSBURGH PIRATES ---------------------- RALPH KINER ST LOUIS BROWNS ------------------- VERN STEPHENS BOXERS -------- PRIMO CARNERA MARCEL CERDAN JAKE LAMOTTA JOE LOUIS TED Z

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThere is a significant difference in the cardboard stock used in the original 1947 Bond Bread cards vs. the subsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE cards. When you compare these cards, you'll im- mmediately notice...... 1....the 1947 cards are slightly thicker 2....there is a faint gloss on the 1947 cards and not on the other cards 3....the contrast on the 1947 cards is superior to the other cards 4....the backs of the 1947 cards have retained their original white color.....while the backs of the other cards have a "toned" effect. ...................1947 BOND BREAD..................................SQUARE cards <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bondabkcompare.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> TED Z

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: boxingcardmanAlthough Primo Carnera was the world heavyweight champ in the 1930s, technically, the card in this set is a wrestling card since he is shown in his wrestling garb. Doesn't make a difference on pricing; he is still collected as a boxer. Hate to cause confusion, but the cards were sold in 4 boxes of 12 each as "Sports Star Subjects". I have a scan of the cards in the boxes from some auction years ago (don't recall which one). The front cards on the boxes are DiMaggio, Hodges, Slaughter and Robinson. Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThanks MARK....DAN....SEAN....for the great scans of your cards. TED Z