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tedzan 10-23-2017 07:36 PM

My T206 sets are arranged with respect to the 5 series, how is your's arranged ?
 
I guess most collectors arrange their set in alphabetical order. Or by teams, or by other means. Anyhow I am curious, does anyone here arrange their set as follows ?

I started arranging my T206 cards with respect to the 150, 350-only, 350/460, 460-only, and Southern Leaguers series when I started my all-PIEDMONT set in 2006.
I did this in order to appreciate how American Lithographic printed (and issued) these cards. By arranging these cards in this manner, I have certainly gained a lot of
insight into the structure of the T206 set. This is just a suggestion for you serious T206 set enthusiasts.

I will illustrate here, starting with a page from the 150 Series in the PIEDMONT set......

155 subjects (and MAGIE error)

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...es15cds25x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...es15cds25B.jpg


CHECKLIST

Abbaticchio
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ames (hands at chest)
Ball (NY)
Bates
Beaumont
Bell (pitching)
Bender (portrait)
Bergen (bat)
Birmingham
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bransfield
Bresnahan (portrait)
Bridwell (no cap)
G. Brown (Chicago)
M. Brown (Cubs)
M. Brown (portrait)
Burch (bat)

Camnitz (arms folded)
Chance (portrait-red)
Chase (pink portrait)
Chase (white cap)
Chesbro
Cicotte
F. Clarke (portrait)
F. Clarke (bat)
J. J. Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (green portrait)
Cobb (bat on)
Conroy (fielding)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Crawford (throwing)
Criger
Criss
Dahlen (Boston)
George Davis (Chicago)
H. Davis (A's)

Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Donlin (fielding)
Donlin (seated)
Donohue
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolin
Dougherty (portrait)
Larry Doyle (throwing)
Durham
Elberfeld (New York-portrait)
Evers (portrait)
Evers (bat--blue sky)
Ewing
Ferris
Flick
Ganley
Gibson
Gilbert

Goode
Griffith (portrait)
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Isbell
Jacklitsch
Jennings (portrait)
Johnson (portrait)
F. Jones (portrait)
F. Jones (hands at hip)
Tom Jones (St Louis)
Jordan (portrait)
Joss (portrait)
Karger
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Killian (pitching)
Kleinow (bat)
Kling

Konetchy (glove above)
Lajoie (portrait)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lake (New York)
Leach (portrait)
Leifield (pitching)
Liebhardt
Lindaman
Lobert
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Magee (portrait)
Manning (bat)
Marquard (hands/side)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (portrait)
McGraw (portrait-no cap)
McGraw (finger in air)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McQuillan (ball in hand)

Merkle (portrait)
Mullin (throwing)
Murphy (throwing)
Nichols (hands/knee)
Niles
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
Overall (portrait)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Pattee
Pelty (horizontal)
Plank
Powell (horizontal)
Powers
Reulbach (glove)
Ritchey
Rucker (portrait)
Schaefer (Detroit)

Schlei (catching)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (front view)
Seymour (batting)
Shaw (St Louis)
Sheckard (no glove)
Shipke
F. Smith (Chicago)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (no glove)
Steinfeldt (portrait)
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Sullivan
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
Tenney
Tinker (portrait)
Tinker (hands on knees)

Turner
Waddell (portrait)
Waddell (throwing
Honus Wagner)
Wagner (bat on left shoulder)
Wallace
Walsh
Weimer
White (Chicago-portrait)
Wilhelm (hands at chest)
Williams
Willis (Pittsburg)
Wiltse (portrait-no cap)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)

and,
MAGIE (error)


Subsequent posts here will cover the 350-only Series, 350/460 Series, 460-only Series, and the Southern League Series.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan 10-24-2017 09:02 AM

350 Series
 
The SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 comprises of 469 subjects.

Illustrated here is a page from the 350 Series in my SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ries15cdsB.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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brianp-beme 10-24-2017 09:37 AM

I don't have my cards physically arranged by the five series, but my T206 checklist (printed from Scott Reader's work on the set) is formatted that way, so I have become accustomed to thinking of the cards by series, and can typically identify what card belongs to what series. I by no way pretend to have anywhere as deep of knowledge of the set as many members of this forum, but my choice of checklist at least has helped me get a basic grasp of the print groups, and has made me a better T206 person.

Brian

tedzan 10-24-2017 09:17 PM

460-only Series
 
The cards in the 460-only series were issued in late 1910 thru early 1911 (depending on which tobacco adv. backs were printed on them).
The AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, LENOX, and UZIT backs were in the last print runs of these T206 cards (circa Feb 1911).

Illustrated here is a page from the 460-only Series in my SOVEREIGN set......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...es15cds25x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...15cds25xbb.jpg


460-only Series checklist............46 subjects

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands in air)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (arms above head)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand on waist)

Hummell
Lake (with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


Next post here will elaborate on the 350/460 series subjects.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan 10-25-2017 05:57 PM

350/460 Series
 
It appears evident that American Lithographic selected their last sheet of 350 series subjects for expansion into the 460 series. The timeline for this was during the SOVEREIGN
print run of this sheet (66 subjects) in which the SOVEREIGN 350 backs were printed using a lighter colored apple-green* ink. More info on this will be presented my next post.


Illustrated here is a page from the phantom "350/460" Series in my SOVEREIGN set....................

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ies15cd25x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...es15cd25xb.jpg


350/460 Series checklist............63 subjects

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)


* Shown here, are enlarged examples of the "350/460" SOVEREIGN 350 cards contrasting the apple-green backs vs. the normal green backs..
..... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...slajcyoung.jpg
apple green backs
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...slajcyoung.jpg
...............normal green back



More on this in my next post.



TED Z

T206 Reference
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Tim Kindler 10-25-2017 06:53 PM

Thanks
 
Ted,
Thank you to you, and anyone else that might contribute to this thread in the future, for giving your time and effort into educating those of us, like me, who just love sitting back and being educated about cards and our hobby. Its the part of the board I love. Of course I knew about the different series, but I never really knew much about the specifics and a different spin on collecting them. Thanks Ted.

tedzan 10-26-2017 05:07 PM

Combined tobacco brands of the 350/460 series and 460-only series cards
 
The entire 460 series is the result of American Lithographic's (ALC) design intent to increase the T206 set by 110 subjects.
Series of 350 + 110 subjects = 460

After the 350 Series press runs were completed, ALC then re-printed (in large numbers) this sheet of 66 subjects (shown here). This group of
T206's represent the ALC's last press run of 350 Series cards.

Circa late 1910 to early 1911, ALC added 46 new subjects to the above 66 subjects. This design actually resulted in a total of 109 subjects **.


v.................................... Six super-prints ....................................v
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erprints9x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...obConDav9x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erprints9x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yLDoyElb9x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raDouDow9x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...osLajLak9x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...MurpNich9x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...aMcInMul9x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lPfeReul9x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eySnoSta9x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...trCYoSte9x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lWillWhi9x.jpg


** Of these 66 subjects, 3 were not printed with 460 series backs since their Major League careers ended before the issue of the 350/460 series.
They are......

ML career ends

June 1910......Joe Doyle
May 1910.......Simon Nicholls
Aug 1910.......Bob Rhoades


A picture is worth 1000 words, so here are the 22 tobacco advertisement backs that are available on the T206 Subjects in the 350/460 series....


460-type backs

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...series25xx.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...factory42b.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LENOXx37_1.jpg
............. Factory #42 .............




350-type backs

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...DRUMx25b_1.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CxSC350x25.jpg


Assorted backs

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Tolstoi25x.jpg




TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan 10-26-2017 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Kindler (Post 1713954)
Ted,
Thank you to you, and anyone else that might contribute to this thread in the future, for giving your time and effort into educating those of us, like me, who just love sitting back and being educated about cards and our hobby. Its the part of the board I love. Of course I knew about the different series, but I never really knew much about the specifics and a different spin on collecting them. Thanks Ted.

Hi Tim

Thanks for your complimentary words. I really appreciate them.


TED Z
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tedzan 11-03-2017 07:00 PM

Southern League Series
 
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...P350bks12x.jpg


The T206 Southern League (SL) cards represent 4 Leagues in "Dixie". I have arranged the SL cards in my T206 PIEDMONT set according to these four Leagues.

Southern Association......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...arrCran12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...artHart12x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...thThorn12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...olePerd12x.jpg



Texas League......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tSoLgrs18x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tSoLgrs18x.jpg



Virginia and South Atlantic Leagues (22) subjects

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rs21cds19x.jpg


Checklist

34 subjects with brown HINDU, OLD MILL, and PIEDMONT 350 backs

Bay
Bernhard
Breitenstein
Carey
Coles
Cranston
Ellam
Foster
Fritz
Greminger
Guiheen
Helm
Hickman
Hooker
Howard (Savannah)
Jordan (Atlanta)
Kiernan
Lafitte
Lipe
Manion
McCauley
Molesworth
Mullaney
Otey
Paige
Perdue
Persons
Reagan
Revelle
Ryan
Shaughnessy
Sid Smith (Atlanta)
Thornton
Violat


14 subjects with only OLD MILL and PIEDMONT 350 backs

Bastian
Hart (Little Rock)
Hart (Montgomery)
King
Lentz
Miller
Orth
Rockenfeld
Seitz
Smith (Shreveport)
Stark
Thebo
Westlake
White (Houston)


TED Z

T206 Reference
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