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metsandweezer 02-03-2024 12:25 PM

Mickey Mantle Type 1 Photo Question
 
I just found this in an old picture frame of mine. Is this a type 1 photo? I did some research and it seems like they all have the publisher’s stamp on the back. It seems like Mickey Mantle Type 1’s sell for a lot of money. Thanks.

If it is a Type 1, what is the approximate value once slabbed by PSA?

https://i.ibb.co/Ks9YdG8/902-E1-DFC-...-E1-BEFFC1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/8DGwkDQ/E4-F9344-F-...24-B683231.jpg

perezfan 02-03-2024 12:38 PM

Looks like Type 1 to me, and is a GREAT photo. Heck, I'd buy it just for Doris Day... forget those two other guys!

Will leave the value to someone else... Prices of these photos are all over the board, and much depends on who sees it at the time of auction, and who wants it the most. Could go for $300 or could go for $3,000, depending on timing and other intangibles.

metsandweezer 02-03-2024 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2410139)
Looks like Type 1 to me, and is a GREAT photo. Heck, I'd buy it just for Doris Day... forget those two other guys!

Will leave the value to someone else... Prices of these photos are all over the board, and much depends on who sees it at the time of auction, and who wants it the most. Could go for $300 or could go for $3,000, depending on timing and other intangibles.

Thank you! This is very exciting! How many type 1 photos are usually issued?

jacksons 02-03-2024 02:10 PM

Think this is from the movie "That Touch of Mink", from 1962. You could try to date the UPI stamp and see if its from that time period. I would guess so.

Plenty of other photo experts on here who would know more.

And there's no number of Type 1 photos issued. A Type 1 is just a designation given to a first gen photograph developed from an original negative during the period - within approx 2 years:

https://www.psacard.com/services/pho...%20was%20taken).

metsandweezer 02-03-2024 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksons (Post 2410160)
Think this is from the movie "That Touch of Mink", from 1962. You could try to date the UPI stamp and see if its from that time period. I would guess so.

Plenty of other photo experts on here who would know more.

And there's no number of Type 1 photos issued. A Type 1 is just a designation given to a first gen photograph developed from an original negative during the period - within approx 2 years:

https://www.psacard.com/services/pho...%20was%20taken).

Maybe a dumb question, but how do I date the time stamp? Should it just say the date on the stamp?

jacksons 02-03-2024 02:39 PM

The bottom half of the stamp is blurred but the top half appears to be a UPI 1962-1970 stamp variation (United Press Main office - NYC).

Difficult to confirm entirely. I don't see a boxed stroke or outline on your stamp. Much of it is faded. If you still had the slug attached (paper caption) hen you'd know the whole story.

Anyway, I'm using A Portrait of Baseball Photography book by Marshall Fogel and Henry Yee as a reference. Really, the only reference.

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Originally Posted by metsandweezer (Post 2410164)
Maybe a dumb question, but how do I date the time stamp? Should it just say the date on the stamp?


metsandweezer 02-03-2024 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksons (Post 2410171)
The bottom half of the stamp is blurred but the top half appears to be a UPI 1962-1970 stamp variation (United Press Main office - NYC).

Difficult to confirm entirely. I don't see a boxed stroke or outline on your stamp. Much of it is faded. If you still had the slug attached (paper caption) hen you'd know the whole story.

Anyway, I'm using A Portrait of Baseball Photography book by Marshall Fogel and Henry Yee as a reference. Really, the only reference.

Yeah I see what you are saying about the box. It seems to be extremely faded. I will have to send it to PSA to get authenticated. I have also seen PSA authenticated slabbed ones with no box around it.

lumberjack 02-03-2024 03:57 PM

Type I
 
This photo is the real deal.

Mad Magazine ran this photo back in the sixties with a gag caption. Maris was saying,"How do you spell Doris?"

metsandweezer 02-03-2024 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjack (Post 2410182)
This photo is the real deal.

Mad Magazine ran this photo back in the sixties with a gag caption. Maris was saying,"How do you spell Doris?"

So pumped! Any idea on value once slabbed and authenticated by PSA? Thanks for your insight.

Lucas00 02-03-2024 05:36 PM

Quite a few different photos with Mantle, Maris and Day Exist (all 1961 or 1962). The price range is anywhere from $27 for a wire photo up to nearly $500. I would value yours at the upper number.

metsandweezer 02-03-2024 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2410203)
Quite a few different photos with Mantle, Maris and Day Exist (all 1961 or 1962). The price range is anywhere from $27 for a wire photo up to nearly $500. I would value yours at the upper number.

Thank you. Where did you see the comps at? I could not find any with Doris Day.

Lucas00 02-03-2024 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandweezer (Post 2410211)
Thank you. Where did you see the comps at? I could not find any with Doris Day.

RMY Auctions.

metsandweezer 02-03-2024 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2410215)
RMY Auctions.

Amazing. The similar one is not slabbed and does not even look like a type 1. Looks like it was cut out of a newspaper?

Lucas00 02-03-2024 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandweezer (Post 2410222)
Amazing. The similar one is not slabbed and does not even look like a type 1. Looks like it was cut out of a newspaper?

It's a type 3. Photo prices are really hard to pinpoint, to say yours would be worth a massive amount more would be a stretch. You only need 2 people wanting a photo for a crazy price. However unlike cards, those 2 people are much harder to find.

The spread the photo could bring is huge, I wouldn't be surprised if it did $200 however I also wouldn't be surprised if it did $750.

metsandweezer 04-07-2024 11:35 PM

Officially came back as a Type 1 :) I have no idea on the value for it still.


https://i.ibb.co/yPpGGdD/66-B561-C0-...6-DE901-D2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/KKkHJJd/41-F35324-E...0-E5802-AE.jpg

jacksons 04-08-2024 07:57 AM

Congrats - figured it would end up with that designation. The stampings tell the story. Value is ultimately assigned by the buyer. A similar photo autographed by both Mantle and Day sold for $500 in Heritage in 2021, if that helps.
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Originally Posted by metsandweezer (Post 2425205)
Officially came back as a Type 1 :) I have no idea on the value for it still.


https://i.ibb.co/yPpGGdD/66-B561-C0-...6-DE901-D2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/KKkHJJd/41-F35324-E...0-E5802-AE.jpg


Topnotchsy 04-08-2024 09:27 AM

Type I photos generally get a significant premium over Type III, though the market on any photos is highly variable, so working of a single datapoint (such as one old sale) would be difficult.

RMY has one type III of your photo that sold in 2020 for $450. It's one datapoint, but RMY has a few photos with Mantle and Day, and the close-up one (like you have) is clearly the nicest. Other, less appealing photos with Mantle and Day (and others) which were Type I photos went for less, so I do believe it was the draw of the image. Those sales were also in 2020 and the photo market is more expensive today than it was then.

My guess is that in auction it goes for at least $1000, though as others have noted, it is hard to predict photo values.

metsandweezer 04-09-2024 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksons (Post 2425231)
Congrats - figured it would end up with that designation. The stampings tell the story. Value is ultimately assigned by the buyer. A similar photo autographed by both Mantle and Day sold for $500 in Heritage in 2021, if that helps.

Do you have a link? It does not appear like the autograph version was a type 1.


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