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sreader3 03-24-2018 08:19 PM

Q: Earliest baseball card signatures?
 
1. What’s the oldest card signed by a player shown on the card?

2. What’s the first documented instance of a player signing a card on which he is shown?

Does anyone have a guess on 1 or 2?

(Sorry if it has been discussed).

oldjudge 03-24-2018 08:32 PM

There was a full set of 1872 Red Stocking cabinets that we're auctioned years ago. All were autographed. They still reside with the person who won that lot.

sreader3 03-24-2018 08:36 PM

Thanks Jay. That answers part 1! (And maybe part 2).

While on topic, what is the situation with signed OJs?

oldjudge 03-24-2018 08:56 PM

One Mack signed on the back. The signature looks like it was late in Mack's life. I know of no others.

sreader3 03-24-2018 09:00 PM

His.
 
Awesome! Thanks.

prestigecollectibles 03-24-2018 09:49 PM

Autographed Group of (8) 1871/72 Boston Red Stockings Cabinet Cards by Warren Studios
Estimate 50,000 — 60,000 USD
LOT SOLD. 120,000 USD

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/...155/lot.1.html

Baseball Rarities 03-24-2018 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1760729)
There was a full set of 1872 Red Stocking cabinets that we're auctioned years ago. All were autographed. They still reside with the person who won that lot.

That is one of my favorite groups of cards ever.

oldjudge 03-24-2018 11:13 PM

Mine too

GaryPassamonte 03-25-2018 03:52 AM

Mine three.

drcy 03-25-2018 11:34 AM

Of non-sport note, people, including celebrities, used CDVs to sign in the 1860s-70s. So you can find early CDVs signed by folks ranging from Charles Dickens to Robert E. Lee

barrysloate 03-25-2018 01:31 PM

Mine four. And I was part of a small group trying to win that lot- hi Gary- but it wasn't meant to be.

Some may remember it was part of a group of ten, and the two others were offered in a Mastro Auction that literally closed the night before the
Sotheby's Auction. The winner of the two from Mastro also won the other eight, and told us he was not going to let them go for pretty much any price.

Arguably they are the finest set of 19th century cards in the hobby.

insidethewrapper 03-25-2018 01:42 PM

Check out these from PBS : http://www.pbs.org/video/antiques-ro...kings-archive/

Was this group ever sold ? Seems like a high estimate ?

Note: These are different cards than the auto card cabinets discussed previously. These were from scorecards I believe.

Baseball Rarities 03-25-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 1760892)
Mine four. And I was part of a small group trying to win that lot- hi Gary- but it wasn't meant to be.

Some may remember it was part of a group of ten, and the two others were offered in a Mastro Auction that literally closed the night before the
Sotheby's Auction. The winner of the two from Mastro also won the other eight, and told us he was not going to let them go for pretty much any price.

Arguably they are the finest set of 19th century cards in the hobby.

I think that there were three offered separately - George Wright and a lot with Gould and Rogers.

barrysloate 03-25-2018 03:57 PM

So then there were eleven total. I'm sure you remember better than I do.

The thing I never understood about the lot is how it got split up and were sold in two separate auctions on consecutive days. I'm sure there is a juicy story there.

insidethewrapper 03-25-2018 04:15 PM

Here's the lot of 8 : http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/...155/lot.1.html

theshleps 03-25-2018 04:56 PM

front signed
 
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Are there earlier front signed not oversized cards than this? Also has a PSA
Attachment 310117

Jasonxmay 03-25-2018 05:15 PM

Mack
 
http://www.1933goudey.com/uploads/6/...onnie_orig.jpg

It's been overshadowed a bit in this thread, but this is the Mack OJ that was referenced.

Jason

edhans 03-26-2018 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sreader3 (Post 1760730)
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While on topic, what is the situation with signed OJs?

I seem to recall a signed Hoy, but that could just be my memory playing tricks on me. It would be plausible, as he died in the sixties.

T206Collector 03-26-2018 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theshleps (Post 1760950)
Are there earlier front signed not oversized cards than this? Also has a PSA
Attachment 310117

FWIW - I am not aware of one.

oldjudge 03-26-2018 03:08 PM

If that autograph is good. Every other Duffy I have seen has the "D" unattached from the rest of the name. That, and other factors, make that autograph somewhat questionable to me. Having said that, I am not an autograph collector and GAI authenticators should be experts.

T206Collector 03-26-2018 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1761274)
If that autograph is good.

Came from REA with LOAs from James Spence/JSA, Mike Gutierrez/GAI, and Steve Grad/PSA DNA.

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...yo-hugh-duffy/

Baseball Rarities 03-26-2018 08:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by edhans (Post 1761134)
I seem to recall a signed Hoy, but that could just be my memory playing tricks on me. It would be plausible, as he died in the sixties.

REA had this signed Hoy cabinet card five years ago or so.

T206Collector 03-27-2018 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper (Post 1760940)

It would be great if anyone has better resolution scans than what Sotheby's has here. Anyone?

Baseball Rarities 03-28-2018 01:24 PM

4 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by T206Collector (Post 1761659)
It would be great if anyone has better resolution scans than what Sotheby's has here. Anyone?

I do not have the Sotheby's scans, but I do have some for the others.

theshleps 03-28-2018 10:17 PM

1 Attachment(s)
For what it is worth on the Duffy
Attachment 310557

yomass 03-29-2018 10:04 AM

Warren cabinets
 
The story on the signed cabinets is that they were kept by the family of the original photographer and were split up between his heirs at some point. It could be a myth and does not explain why they would appear in two different auctions almost simultaneously. I am glad the group is back together instead of spread to the four winds. Almost all the cards are dated when signed between July 22-24, 1872. There are 11 in the group.


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