SGC you need new holders.
It's just amazing to me that complaints about SGC holders continue to mount and nothing is done about it. These problems are not simply associated with older holders but as far as I have experienced with holders newly circulated. In fact, I just received two t206's won at the Saco River Auction and guess what, one card had slipped completely out of the gasket.
SGC you need to do something about these constant issues and no its not in anyway convenient for me to ship the card back to you to repair something that should have been done correctly to start with. These holders suck (at least as far as t206's and t205's are concerned) and we don't need more replies from you saying that you are working on the problem or that we can always have them reholdered. We need redesigned holders. I'm not going to buy another SGC graded card until the holders are changed. Other than offering a grade on the card they are useless and defeat their intended purpose. They don't protect the item properly and in a few situations I have actually damaged a card while trying to shake/coax it back into place. Now I don't want to be totally negative SGC does do a great job of grading in my opinion, they are consistent, impartial and the holders do look great, but in many cases we are spending significant amounts of money for these items and deserve better. If you feel the same or disagree please voice your opinion. Maybe this will move SGC to act. |
I collect E121 cards and subset. never had an issue but I do understand where you are coming from. I had a friend that had a card come like you have described and he was able to tap the edges of the holder until the card slipped into the correct location. Shouldn't have to do that but he did and it worked.
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I do not work for Beckett....
If you want cards that will not move around, look cool in their little protective airtight inner sleeve, then slab with BVG. Beckett rules in this area alone!
Damn....where is that retainer they put me on...??hmm..... At some point (and I'm amazed it has not been addressed yet) a company has to realize they are shooting themselves in the proverbial foot by not listening to its core customers. Biz 101. AKA....common sense or is it Customer Service? peace, mike |
I think the T206s are so thin that they easily slide under the gasket. I bought one the other day and when I opened the package the card was slid under the gasket. I tapped it back into place, but it easily goes back under the gasket just by moving it around.
I contacted Earl and asked him if I could remove the card from the slab and send it back in for a re-holder. I was afraid if I shipped it back to SGC in the slab, the movement would cause it to slide back under the gasket again and do some damage to the card. He never responded. That was two weeks ago today. I went ahead and removed it from the slab so I wouldn't risk damaging the card. |
David, I corrected your post. :D
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The first T206 I obtained in an SGC holder had the slippage problem. This has to be damaging to the card. I was able to get it back in place only after some violent tapping and cussing, lol. I find it lame, and gives me another reason to prefer PSA.
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Dear SGC,
Your grading and authentication services are (in my opinion) top-notch. Kudos for a job well-done. Your holders look great, too. They make the cards stand out quite well. However, using gaskets that don't always hold these cardboard treasures of ours in place is a serious problem. And I believe this is fixable. I understand that any improvement to a product has associated costs. Still, it seems to me that the return on this investment would be significant. Not only would it address concerns from current customers, thereby ensuring more repeat business. It would also help you gain market share by offering a product which, compared to your current one, was superior. Just my two cents. Although, I speak for many when stating that part of the benefit of getting cards graded is the perceived protection offered by the holder. Because of the gasket/slippage issues, SGC falls short of doing this consistently. Imagine your favorite card slipping and sliding around inside the holder that was supposed to keep it safe. How would you feel? Many collectors feel let down. Please fix this. Sincerely and respectfully, Eric |
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Thanks, Eric. I just copied your email and inserted my name at the end and sent it off to SGC. Hopefully someone listens and does something about it, because I'm tired of bitching.
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I know this board tends to go ballistic whenever anything positive is said about PSA. But for the reasons mentioned by the OP and the fact that clearly o/c cards don't seem to faze SGC for slabbing them in higher grades is why I never sub to them. And no, I am not a PSA shareholder and JO is not a relative. :D
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I don't necessarily prefer one over the other as I collect any card in any of the three main TPG's that passes the eye test. Bob has a great point about the SGC holders...they are really starting to suck and get on a lot of people's nerves. Where's the quality control at? We pay for a service and we should get quality in return, not this shaky holder that for some reason failed to evolve with time. One thing that I believe SGC has over PSA and BVG is that I feel I can trust, for the most part, things like paper loss being somewhere on the card when it's not supposed to be there. When I buy a VG graded card, paper loss should not be anywhere, but I've noticed it a lot more on PSA graded cards than SGC. Sometimes I feel like I get on seller's nerves because I always ask them a lot of questions about the condition, but because of these inconsistencies I feel like I have to ask to save me some issues down the road. Anyway...SGC...get your crap together if you want to continue being a top notch grading company. Don't let something this small sink your ship! |
Why fix the gasket issue and not address the tamper issue? PSA came out with more secure holders and now SGC leads the industry in easiest to tamper holders.
I've been an SGC fan for a long time, but my last 3 subs went to PSA. |
I believe this was the latest response from SGC on the gaskets... from the thread "Is this typical for SGC holders?"
http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...9&postcount=57 |
Well I'm glad they are at least admitting their fault: http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...9&postcount=57
I still think they need to reconsider the gaskets all together. All of the other TPG's never have a problem with T206's shifting in their gaskets no matter the size of the T206. Perhaps a sturdier gasket insert like black plastic will fortify the T206's better. Tobacco cards I believe are SGC's bread and butter and yet they are historically bad at having those specific types of cards properly fit their gaskets. When you are paying $10+ on a grade and case, you'd expect better. Still, I'm more than thrilled that they listened to whiners like myself and switched the SGC label back to the old green label style. |
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Received an email back from Dave Forman at SGC earlier today. I'm not going to post it here but he is aware of the problem and working to resolve it. If he gives me anymore specifics I will let you know.
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I cracked one of the new label oversize holders today and it had not one but two gaskets, so apparently they have begun to use that strategy to keep cards from sliding over or under the gaskets, especially while being tossed around in transit.
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Glad SGC is working on this. I just got a sub back and they are using a plastic gasket on this M101-6 I sent in, not crazy about the glare but protecting the card is whats most important to me so happy they are trying-
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Also had one of those last week.
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Actually I had no idea there were two until I opened it. Could not tell from the outside.
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I guess I am confused. Is it not just as simple as having a thicker gasket to help keep the tobacco cards in place?
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I had mostly used sgc in the past. Until they change their holders I am done (and ugly new labels). The black is nice, but gaskets are not great. My last several dozen subs have went to PSA including pre war which I rather go to SGC. Perhaps the budget is not there anymore to make a major needed fix.
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I also dont see how adding a second gasket secures the card any better than a single gasket does. |
Could someone please show an image of the issue of cards slipping in the SGC holder? Where is the gasket? How is what they do different from the other companies? Thnaks.
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I've got a little over 50 SGC's and now I'm getting scared lol. I've never had this problem but don't want to have it either.
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I've never had the problem with t206. You're probably safe.
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I've definitely had issues with SGC cases. Below is a photo of my last submission where two t206 cards became loose in their casing...I was able to tap them back in but I was lucky that they didn't get damaged. Now they still float around.
Just last week I got some more T206's back and this time right out of the box several of the "brand new" slabs were cracked or had deep scratches. I emailed Earl and hopefully he'll resolve the issue. If SGC wants to survive they really need to completely rethink their slabs. Keep the black color (which is a big draw to why people use them), but make solid slabs like Beckett and PSA. Some SGC's slabs I could literally pry them up open with my hands without a lot of effort. That and they need a better registry. I love their customer service, but if you're paying $10+ to get a card graded, I think the consumer deserves better than a slab that is highly scratch-able where the card holder is essentially a crudely cut piece of black cardboard. |
Wow. Ok, I stand corrected.
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