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Archive 04-03-2009 10:06 PM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>It was the Summer of '47....my sister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread packages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams,<br>a Stan Musial, or the new rookie sensation....a Jackie Robinson BB card. Our Mom couldn't buy enough of the Bond Bread loafs. So, we <br>had our Dad buying Bond Bread for his restaurant and our Aunt buying Bond Bread. In the Fall of 1947, we experienced one of the most<br> exciting World Series ever played. 1947 was a tremendous year for BB, and a great start for me in the wonderful life-long hobby of col-<br>lecting BB cards. These B/W cards were really popular with the kids in our neighborhood. By trading &amp; sharing our collections with each <br>other, we eventually realized that there were no more than 44 BB players and 4 Boxers in a complete set. <br><br><br>1947 Homogenized BOND BREAD wrapper<br><br><br><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bondbreadwrapper.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><br><br>Many cards in this set are the very 1st (or rookie) cards issued of the players. Shown here are the 1st cards of Yogi Berra, Stan Musial,<br>Jackie Pobinson, Gil Hodges, Ralph Kiner and Bobby Thomson. <br><br><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1947bb6rookiestars.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><br><br>This set has been the source of much confusion in the hobby for many years. The only true 1947 Bond Bread cards are these 48 in this<br> general set and the Jackie Robinson set. All of which have beveled (or ROUNDED) corners in order to fit into the bread loaf packages.<br>Unfortunately, other issues that resemble the Bond Bread cards that were issued after 1947 and were never packaged in Bond Bread loafs<br>have been mis-identified as &quot;1947 Bond Bread&quot; cards. Grading Co. have been most guilty of erroneously labeling these SQUARE &quot;imposters&quot;. <br><br>Shown here are two cards from the 1949 (unknown) issue which includes 24 of the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and<br>an additional BB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that era were included. These cards may have been printed by the <br>same firm that printed the 1947 set. However, their SQUARE corners and their inferior cardboard stock belie the fact that these cards are<br> NOT related to the &quot;1947 Bond Bread&quot; issue. <br>A recent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest a 1949 issue date since Walker Cooper is depicted in this col-<br>lection as a NY Giant (Cooper was traded to Cinci in the Summer of '49).<br><br><br>1949 (unknown) issue<br><br><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1949cardsrizzutostewart.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><br><br><br>A 1947 Bond Bread Team/checklist will follow in the next post here.<br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>

Archive 04-03-2009 11:37 PM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Jim Thierfelder</b><p>Great post Ted, very informative.<br><br>The Bond bread cards are a little before my time but I always enjoy hearing stories about collecting before collecting was big business.

Archive 04-04-2009 12:25 AM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Mark Tylicki</b><p>Great stuff Ted<br><br>Here's one of the Exhibit size issues labeled as a Bond Bread...<br><br><img src="http://www.rustywilly.com/cards/PSACARD/1229940_051_FRONT.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.rustywilly.com/cards/PSACARD/1229940_051_BACK.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

Archive 04-04-2009 05:16 AM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Here is the Walker Cooper card that I noted in the initial post here. It was never included<br> in the original 1947 Bond Bread (ROUND cornered cards) issue. And, this fact tells us that<br> indeed there was a subsequent (SQUARE cornered cards) issue....totally unrelated to the<br> 1947 Bond Bread issue.<br><br><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1193714837/last-1195061538/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1193714837/last-1195061538/</a><br><br><br>Another factor telling us that these 2 issues (the 1947 and the &quot;1949&quot;) are unrelated....is<br>why are all 48 original cards not available in the SQUARE version ? <br><br>Only 24 of the BB cards and two of the Boxing cards from the 1947 set are in the SQUARE<br> version. And, added in the SQUARE version was Walker Cooper.<br><br>I do not claim to be an expert regarding these SQUARE cards. They are a real &quot;mystery&quot; to<br>most in the hobby. And, I do not know of anyone that can solve this mystery.<br><br>Any new thoughts on this subject are greatly appreciated. <br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>

Archive 04-04-2009 07:34 AM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Dan Paradis</b><p>Excellent post Ted. Here's the few Bond Bread cards I have:<br><br>Dan<br><br><br><img src="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u265/danp306/Berra1947BondBreadSGC30-1.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><img src="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u265/danp306/P3110316.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><br><br>

Archive 04-04-2009 09:21 AM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Sean C</b><p>I've always wanted to know more about these cards, and specifically about the Robinson cards. I remember back in the late 80's, early 90's there was a reported big find of the square corner cards that were being sold through SCD and other hobby magazines. You can still usually find them for less than $100 or so. Were they legit, or just reprints?<br><br>While checking for an image of it on eBay, I did find this even more interesting card:<br><br><img src="http://joesvintagesportscards.com/Merchant2/graphics/Graded_Pics/G1_1229940-011.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><br>It's the same image as the Robinson I was referring to above, I've never seen or heard about it before (the cut or the image on the back. Does anyone have any info about it?

Archive 04-04-2009 10:20 AM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bondbread1947jdybtwjr.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br>Listed here are the 44 BB cards in this set by Teams and the 4 Boxers<br><br>NEW YORK GIANTS<br>-------------------<br>JOHNNY MIZE<br>SID GORDON<br>LARRY JANSEN<br>SHELDON JONES<br>BUDDY KERR<br>WHITEY LOCKMAN<br>WILLARD MARSHALL<br>BOBBY THOMSON<br><br>BROOKLYN DODGERS<br>--------------------<br>JACKIE ROBINSON<br>REX BARNEY<br>RALPH BRANCA<br>BRUCE EDWARDS<br>CARL FURILLO<br>JOE HATTEN<br>GIL HODGES<br>PEE WEE REESE<br><br><br>NEW YORK YANKEES<br>--------------------<br>JOE DiMAGGIO<br>LARRY BERRA<br>JOE GORDON<br>CHARLIE KELLER<br>JOHNNY LINDELL<br>PHIL RIZZUTO<br>AARON ROBINSON<br><br>BOSTON RED SOX<br>------------------<br>TED WILLIAMS<br>DOM DIMAGGIO<br>BOBBY DOERR<br>JOHNNY PESKY<br><br>CLEVELAND INDIANS<br>---------------------<br>BOB FELLER<br>LOU BOUDREAU<br>KEN KELTNER<br>BIRDIE TEBBETTS<br><br>ST LOUIS CARDINALS<br>----------------------<br>STAN MUSIAL<br>HARRY BRECHEEN<br>ENOS SLAUGHTER<br><br>BOSTON BRAVES<br>-----------------<br>JOHNNY SAIN<br>BOB ELLIOTT<br>TOMMY HOLMES<br><br>CINCINNATI REDS<br>-------------------<br>EWELL BLACKWELL<br>JOHNNY VANDERMEER<br><br>CHICAGO CUBS<br>-------------<br>ANDY PAFKO<br><br>PHILADELPHIA ATHLETICS<br>--------------------------<br>EDDIE JOOST<br><br>PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES<br>-------------------------<br>DEL ENNIS<br><br>PITTSBURGH PIRATES<br>----------------------<br>RALPH KINER<br><br>ST LOUIS BROWNS<br>-------------------<br>VERN STEPHENS<br><br><br>BOXERS<br>--------<br>PRIMO CARNERA<br>MARCEL CERDAN<br>JAKE LAMOTTA<br>JOE LOUIS<br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>

Archive 04-04-2009 10:55 AM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>There is a significant difference in the cardboard stock used in the original 1947 Bond Bread cards <br>vs. the subsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE cards. When you compare these cards, you'll im-<br>mmediately notice......<br><br>1....the 1947 cards are slightly thicker<br><br>2....there is a faint gloss on the 1947 cards and not on the other cards<br><br>3....the contrast on the 1947 cards is superior to the other cards<br><br>4....the backs of the 1947 cards have retained their original white color.....while the backs of the<br>other cards have a &quot;toned&quot; effect.<br> <br><br>...................1947 BOND BREAD..................................SQUARE cards<br><br><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bondabkcompare.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>

Archive 04-04-2009 04:14 PM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Although Primo Carnera was the world heavyweight champ in the 1930s, technically, the card in this set is a wrestling card since he is shown in his wrestling garb. Doesn't make a difference on pricing; he is still collected as a boxer. <br><br>Hate to cause confusion, but the cards were sold in 4 boxes of 12 each as &quot;Sports Star Subjects&quot;. I have a scan of the cards in the boxes from some auction years ago (don't recall which one). The front cards on the boxes are DiMaggio, Hodges, Slaughter and Robinson. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

Archive 04-04-2009 07:45 PM

1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks MARK....DAN....SEAN....for the great scans of your cards.<br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>


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