ill show you my logs privately. Dont turn into kirk please.

sean- personally you can call me a liar until your blue in the face. Did I ever do anything personally to you??? im not concerned what you think of me honestly

You don't have to do something to me personally for me to share my opinion that I think you are a liar do I? I will be happy to post on your behalf if it warrants it... Until then I digress.

BS! you didnt know anything about me until now. If it affected you so much why is this the first time youve made any comments about it?? Youre full of it and you just wanna be a drama queen

Thanks for putting this thread into perspective.

No, I wasn't asking that you have to post your name in every post, technically, even though that might be what I said. The main thing is for anyone giving an opinion of someone or a company, or anyone getting into an argument etc.....to have the other party know who you are. I think it sucks when people make snide comments and give opinions of people or companies and those people or companies don't know who it is saying things about them. I knew this thread would be heated somewhat so that is why the rule was made for this thread. As I said before, I think everyone deserves a place to be able to fairly debate things. If any of our members don't like this then don't click on the thread. And this thread is here because I felt Joey deserved a place to air his issues with his accuser. The fact his accuser won't come here to debate and back up his stories, to me, means they might not be true accusations. So in that respect maybe Joey accomplished what he wanted to. On the other hand it seems Joey also has taken a lot of heat, most of it sounds like it is deserved. This thread will most likely be gone in a day or so and it's not the end of the world.

I did like the comment about him and Adrian doing a card deal...it could be a case of buyers AND sellers remorse. That was classic.

Forum Rule Change?
 

Nevermind.

I am not going to pile on or throw stones, as that is just something I don't believe in. As one who himself has been falsely accused of stuff, I can understand the anger and need to want to clear one's name. My best advice is to go forward and be the best person you can be. The people who are convinced that you are a scoundrel, there is no changing their mind. Do some good transactions on Ebay, and ship as fast as you can. Give some people a break on cards even if you are losing money, and you know they are going to resell it and get all the profit. Pretty soon, you will get people to know that you aren't as bad as others make you out to be. You have to want to change from the inside though. Judging by your posts, you still have a lot of anger and hostility. Make a new forum name (by god, on the PSA boards, some people have more forum names & personalities than Sybil!) - but definitely change your attitude and actions!

If your not looking for anyone else to comment just PM the guy your looking for, don't make a public issue of it.

This forum used to be such a nice place. I even miss the occasional political firefights and detours into rock music we had back in the day. With the proliferation of newer members, pointless multipage threads where many members take pleasure in petty attacks and piling on seem to prevail now.

Net54 has jumped the shark.

I think other than Joey and Kirk, I know more about this situation than anybody else on this board, so maybe I can shed some light on this. Joey has done some shady things. There is no doubt about that and he even admits it. But who here or anywhere else can say that Joey scammed them out of money? I’m not talking about a couple of bucks for return shipping or something like that – I am talking about serious money. Who here has lost money to Joey Farino? Anyone? No? Not one? I didn’t think so.

Joey may not be the kind of person you want to do business with and I don’t blame you for that. But he has never scammed anybody out of any money. Period! On the other hand, I have seen Kirk follow Joey around to at least 4 different message boards (including this one) and constantly make wild accusations that he can’t back up and stalk the guy. If Kirk could back up his accusations, he would have commented by now. It’s like he’s obsessed with Joey and won’t leave him alone. Come on, he texts the guy just to stalk him. How screwed up in the head is that? I told Joey to retain an attorney and take him to court and I hope he follows my advice.

This is not the first time Kirk has been accused of doing something like this. Below is a thread on CU from less than a month ago that Kirk started about Joey, and another CU member named Danny spoke up and accused Kirk of the same thing (harassment). How did Kirk respond? Well, he didn’t. Crickets! Just like this thread. Just read post #8 in the thread below. That should tell you a lot about Kirk’s character.

http://forums.collectors.com/message...81&STARTPAGE=1

Edited for spelling

Follow Up to Post #116
 

Joey was right.:eek:

My PM box is full this morning or inquiries from jealous Net54 members.
As a public service to the Board I am posting the following link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mens-Shiny-M...e/140654916665

BE LIKE FRANK. JUST DO IT.:D

+1

hmmmmmm, are we aloud to "debate" about politics? And Talk about who the best rock bands are???

Now that would be interesting, way better than this Jersey Shore thread.

David- We don't know each other, but I've read plenty of your posts here over the years. I was very surprised to read your comments above where you practically turn the situation around, as if Kirk is the bad guy.

Joey has admitted that he frequently sells cards on ebay and then back outs of the transaction. Even worse, he's also admitted that he wins auctions on ebay and doesn't pay. People are now aware of Joey's BS, and so now Joey creates new usernames every few weeks/months so that people don't know who he is.

Kirk proactively lets people know when he's identified Joey posing under a new alias on Ebay or on CU BST, so that people can avoid him. But you have the gall to insinuate that Kirk is somehow the bad guy here? That's not harassment, that is Kirk protecting his friends on CU from getting into a transaction with a known scam artist. People like Kirk are good for the hobby, not vice versa.

I realize Joey is likely not happy about the fact that Kirk frequently alerts people to Joey's new aliases. For example, when Joey came to CU under the alias YankeesFan74 and tried to sell his now infamous T206 Ty Cobb Red Portrait 3 weeks ago, it was Kirk that let several people there know that YankeesFan74 was really Joey. Good for Kirk.... because we all know that Joey just takes payment for the Cobb card, he never actually mails it to anyone after they've paid.

If I were Kirk, I wouldn't reply to this thread either. Everyone at CU already knows his character and appreciates what he does for the hobby. No need to answer to "call-outs" from people who change their name every few weeks.

No, he just borrows their money for a while pretending to sell them a card he either does or does not have.

Frank, thanks for the link but I already own several pair. -- Paul

Michael,

Joey did all those things. He's not denying that. So simply don't do business with him. But he never scammed anybody out of money as Kirk (and now you) has stated.

You're trying to make Kirk out as some crusader. He's not. Anybody that sends texts to another to harrass them is a cyber stalker. It's that simple and it's against the law.

Just one question for you? Why did Kirk do the same thing to Danny? What did Danny do to deserve it? Once again, that says a lot about Kirk's character.

Yup and that's wrong. Nobody has denied that. How long can you beat a dead horse? Isn't cyber stalking wrong too though?

If in fact Joey is "borrowing" money from people under the false pretenses of selling them a nonexistent card that is pretty close to scamming them in my book.

+2

i totally understand, but your reply does not really address what i am saying.

my entire point is, it is far easier to police someones personal profile during sign up to make sure there name is there, which automatically goes on every post, rather than trying to police every discussion and every post on the entire sitem, and getting everyone to follow a rule which is based entirely on the circumstances of the thread...right?

not only that, the rule itself leaves room for interpretation about what should and should not be considered hot, heated, snide or whatever other words you want to call it when adding a name is required. you had to premptively step in and remind everyone of the rule, that ultimately shouldn't need to exist if you enforced it at sign up.

+3

The horse hasn't been dead that long...this activity was taking place only a month ago. Don't come on our board complaining about cyber stalking and that your transgressions are all in the past and apologized for when the past is only a few weeks ago.

If Joey is going to take Kurt to court then just do it. His past makes him a huge target here, and when his past is only a month ago it's fair game to beat that "dead horse".

Kenny-I couldn't agree more. While in the short term this type of thread may increase the site's page views, it will lead to the departure of the very people who can add knowledge of vintage cards to this forum.

A lot of people DON'T want their full name on a forum. That is the reason it isn't mandated at sign up. As long as they stick to just talking about cards, and general hobby topics, their names won't be required. I believe, right or wrong, that makes for a better and more active forum.

And as for the folks that don't like this thread, it is your prerogative to voice your opinion, just like everyone else. My tongue is bleeding from biting it so much though. :)

I don't believe that to be true...Popcorn threads do tend to get the most action when they pop up, but if you look at the front page how many of those types of threads are there? I see a whole lot of card threads there. Occasionally we get a poster that seems to dominate the discussion and lately we've had a few of them, but they'll burn out....they always do.

And don't forget every time you post to a thread you don't like you've bumped it to the top of the board. :)

Joey's activity is unethical. Nobody is denying that and I'm not making excuses for it. However, Keith's is criminal. There is a huge difference between the two.

I know nothing of Kirk Keith, but it's hard for me to have any sympathy for Joey Farino with all the unethical activity. I don't read the CU boards so I'm not involved in any of this and the only time I even recall Joey Farino's name was when he had his dust up with Dan McKee. Joey is the one who brought the CU drama onto Net54, he is my only concern here.

I guess one of the issues here that I am having a hard time getting my head around is how Joey feels completely absolved of any wrong doing because he has returned all moneys to those who thought they were purchasing cards.

I would submit that a "sale" is premised on a buyer viewing more value (or importance, etc.) in a piece of merchandise than the "value" of the money it took to purchase the merchandise. By returning the money, a seller is, in fact returning to the buyer something that the buyer considers to be of lesser value.

To view the merchandise, and the money needed to purchase the merchandise, as equivalent, may be a reasonable solution to a seller, but could certainly make a buyer feel inadequately compensated and resentful.

Joey, I am sorry that you feel like you need to exonerate yourself and clear your name on this board due to interactions that you have had with Kirk (whoever that might be) in the past, but it seems to me that if you spent half the time "cleaning up" your side of the business that you DO have control of, you might not have as many issues down the road.

Just my $0.02.

I remember when I first came here people said the same thing when Marshall Barkman would go off. Now whenever a "where are they now" thread pops up people miss him. Everything evolves. I'll admit that Joey is truly in a lose-lose situation here. If he says nothing this mystical Kirk can continue bad mouthing him unabated, but in reality Joey has already tarnished his own reputation in many people's eyes so his case is falling on deaf ears. You reap what you sow.

People always seem to remember the "Good ol' days" as better than the present...it's like people who believe the US was idyllic in the 1950s. When I first got here many years ago memorabilia threads would make the board go nuts with fighting...the political threads were much more poisonous than anything this board has experienced...and who can forget the good old days of Bruce D wishing to read my obituary??

Question I have...Did Joey return all the money each time...or was Paypal involved to help return the money?
There is a difference.

I feel like a need a shower. And the last 30 minutes of my life back.

Tom C

I like applesauce.

I returned the money every time myself.

youre very right and I realize kirk does not have the balls to come on here and address these issues because he knows he has nothing to back these accusations up with. I know and accept that my reputation is tarnished with alot of people. Ive done alot of wrong and Ive also done alot of right. Ive sold tons of cards and had alot of successful transactions on ebay and with forum members

Did someone say they missed rock and politics?

NSFW. Really. And not for while the kids are around either. That should tell you if you'll be offended. If so, probably best to not watch.

But if it's rock and politics you want......Have at it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rpVRnuAcQ


Steve Birmingham

.......where have you gone Pet-er C, Net54 turns its lonely eyes to you. Woohoohooo.

Those are the words of an intelligent man, couldn't have said it better myself.

+100

Just so you know Ive sold hundreds of cards and delivered every single one of those cards with the exception of the T206 Ty cobb psa 2. For some reason that was one card I kept changing my mind about. I had 100% feedback on ebay until I had a issue with the T206 cobb. Ive sold many cards to people on this forum and the psa forum. I have never taken anyones money or ripped anyone off. Was not honoring the deal for the Cobb wrong? Yes definitely. I take full blame for that. Did I lie to Dan Mckee 2 yrs ago to return the babe ruth card I bought from him? Yes. I have already spoken to Dan and we're square.

Yes, Kirk (hi Kirk) is a member here. He has posted 291 times. He has been registered on this board for over 4 yrs. He is most likely on the board now.

A few points I want to make. I don't have anything against Kirk except for him bringing someone to the last Net54 dinner that wasn't interested in the dinner or speakers and made a small commotion. That wasn't really Kirk's fault and he apologized for his guest. No big deal.

Also, I in no way condone what things Joey (hi Joey) has done. I don't think his trading practices are ones we need on our BST and for the foreseeable future he won't be on it. Backing out of all of those deals, the lies etc,...etc....not cool at all. Still, I don't personally dislike Joey. I think he needs to change his ways, big-time though.

And for those that don't like this thread being here....Here is a short message I just sent to another forum member via email that pretty well sums it up.

"The reason I let the thread go is that I think even a guilty guy should get to defend himself. The guy did a ton wrong but was accused of a ton more and couldn't defend himself...to me that is not cool at all. But some members don't like it and I understand that too.."

Hi Leon! I appreciate the chance to at least "try" and confront him, but it looks like he has no response. He's probably trying to come up with names of the 4-5 people I supposedly threatened. I know he's seen this thread. He text me yesterday and made a comment about it. He's quick to start threads about me on the psa boards, but when actually confronted to show proof he clams up and cant respond because he knows he's fabricated these specific stories.

Hi Joey, I am still waiting on the logs you told me you would provide me with last night.

Thats between me and you. Id appreciate you emailing me like we talked about

i think if you back out of a deal like the cobb card that tells people everything they need to know about you. a deal's a deal! anyone does that to me, and that is it for them, on my permanent "do not deal with" list. i personally know of no friends of mine that have ever reneged on a deal like that just because they like something and changed their mind. it's ridiculous.

even when something is started out at auction at 1 dollar and goes for a very low amount, way lower than expected, both I and my friends still sell the item even if we know we could get more elsewhere. it's called integrity and honesty and honoring one's word. and if someone we knew didnt do that, we wouldn't remember his name the next day for sure, and wouldn't bother doing business with them ever again.

It's happened to me. some guy playing games didnt honor their word. both here in U.S. and abroad, and I don't have the time of day for them anymore. And if I read someone has done this in the past, I would avoid them no matter what they had for sale. Be a man and honor your commitments. It's party of the code of the hobby.

Its not murder dude!! Take it easy!

Would it help if everyone just mutually agreed that you are a bad below average seller, but likely never robbed a hobby shop?

Joey makes Adrian look like a 5 Star Model Member! :eek: Dave.

You're right it's not murder but what you are doing is simply deflecting, what you have engaged in is more serious to people here than apparently it is to you and that speaks volumes. You say you are sorry but you don't really act like someone who is. I will not respond anymore to this thread as it isn't worth my time but I have little faith in your ability to act like an honorable person in this hobby. IMO you only get one chance to ruin your reputation, you have done this rather well and completely, once destroyed others get to decide whether you are worth trusting again. Saying things like "nobody died", "It' not murder dude!", "it's been like an hour since I screwed someone over" aren't the phrases used by someone serious about changing their way of acting. (obviously only one of those last quotes was yours but you get my point).

I'm too lazy to read 22 pages of shouting and accusations. Can. Someone please tell me who I'm supposed to be angry at?

. Couldn't agree more. You make a deal and a better offer/bid comes along too bad you honor what you agreed to. I don't know how anyone in good conscience can argue against that. Also, I'm not too thrilled with that murder comment, that cavalier attitude speaks for itself.

Joey is mad at Kirk for accusing him of cracking a comic book and listing it as a higher grade and possibly robbing a hobby shop. Joey wants these allegations to stop. Multiple members then spoke out about bad business deals with Joey that seemingly continue up to the present. Those bad dealings, however, are between Joey and those specified members and are none of our business. Joey is sorry he lied to back out of deals and did not commit bodily harm against anyone that we know of.

Reminds me of a bad soap opera. We can call it "As the Stomach Turns" or "That Days of Joey Farino's lives". LOL

A salute to the "Temptations"
 

"Suicide, too many bills, hippies moving to the hills, people all over the world are shouting end the war. And the band played on!" ;) SAM MAJORS ;)

"Trouble Coming Every Day" Zappa.

The government?

If you take the time to read the entire thread you might learn how to make this thread only 6 pages instead of 22. :D

But it sounds better when I say I have to read 22 pages instead of 6 :D:D:D

David, I got that. Do you like the Roxy And Elsewhere version? I was actually at the Roxy for one of those evenings. I know I have the stub somewhere in the bottom of a box, stored at my ex's place. (It was HER fault).

15 minutes
 

In my opinion this jokers 15 minutes of fame are up !! I have officially banned this thread (now) and him from my list of things to read and people to deal with. I wish him luck in getting his head right and hope to not bump into a future alias. Boy did the CU site kill him !! Yikes !!

Yeah, love all Zappa, but the earlier the better. Saw the Mothers many times starting in 1966 at Motor City Roller Rink. Hit all the Grande Ballroom shows from 67 to 72ish. The best place was "The Chessmate", Howlin Wolf for 1.25 and there were about 10 people there. Unreal! Dave.:)

Was at Pauley Pavilion for Just Another Band From L.A. Magdalena rules!, as does Aynsley Dunbar.

I've stepped in piles of stuff at the park that are more important and interesting than this whole thread.

Remind me
 

never to tell Leon at lunch that the board has been unusally quiescent lately.

Rich

Leon, can you remove everything else and just leave this condensed version. We needed you earlier sbfinley. Your version would have saved a lot of time for everyone.

I dont feel like I got killed on anything. I already was fully aware of the mistakes i made how some people feel about me. My life isnt based on this forum in the least bit. I still continue to sell and buy cards without any issues. The way any of you feel isnt affecting me because I dont know any of you. Ive apologized to those I did wrong. The rest of you can say whatever you want. I didnt come on here to make friends. I came on here to confront someone.

So are you really gonna sit here and act like no one on here has made mistakes or done things theyre not proud of? it takes a man to admit and learn from your mistakes. I made mistakes that involve baseball cards. I guarantee im not the only one whos done wrong. I have learned from this and will move on.

thanks bud

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Big brother is watching.

:cool:

:) nice Chuck, I think we've got too much time on our hands!

Yes, for tonight, but we're focusing on the cards. ;)

(and thanks)

Casey? :confused:

Speaker? :confused:

So the fair shake was given. I don't believe Joey ( Hi Joey) did the things that the certain person accused him of. I do believe Joey made a ton of mistakes but I still haven't heard anyone say he ripped them off. One could look at what he did as ripping people off but technically it's not. Still not cool and what is done is done. Everyone knows my thoughts. I want to get back to pre-WWII vintage cards so this is being locked. Happy collecting!!