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Atari 02-25-2019 10:52 AM

New cards for the Herpolshiemer Checklist (from the BAND-AID BOX COLLECTION)
 
I just went through the checklist here:
https://prewarcards.com/2016/09/08/1...and-checklist/

It would seem that the following cards in the 39 card Band-Aid Box Collection are new to the 1921 HERPOLSHEIMER checklist....
  • Dave Davenport | P. | St. Louis Americans
  • Jacques Fournier| 1st. B. | St. Louis Nationals
  • Carl Weilman | P. | St. Louis Americans
  • Charles Stengel | R.F. | Philadelphia Nationals

*UPDATE: See below. Now comparing what has been seen in the grading populations.


I don't know baseball or these cards anywhere near as well as you guys, so I might have missed a nickname or AKA of one of guys above (i.e. a Walter becomes a Wally, Urban as Red, etc.).

If anyone is interested, I'll try to get some scans up of these 4 cards in the next couple of days!

Leon 02-25-2019 11:06 AM

Stengel
 
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515


Quote:

Originally Posted by Atari (Post 1858058)
I just went through the checklist here:
https://prewarcards.com/2016/09/08/1...and-checklist/

It would seem that the following cards in the Band-Aid Box Collection are new to the checklist....
  • Dave Davenport | P. | St. Louis Americans
  • Jacques Fourner | 1st. B. | St. Louis Nationals
  • Carl Weilman | P. | St. Louis Americans
  • Charles Stengel | R.F. | Philadelphia Nationals

I don't know baseball or these cards anywhere near as well as you guys, so I might have missed a nickname or AKA of one of guys above (i.e. a Walter becomes a Wally, Urban as Red, etc.).

If anyone is interested, I'll try to get some scans up of these 4 cards in the next couple of days!


nolemmings 02-25-2019 11:21 AM

The checklist you cited is not necessarily accurate, as it appears to simply re-list the E121-80 cards. The Herpolsheimer cards were likely printed slightly earlier, and are more akin to the Holsum or Standard Biscuit cards from that period.

Atari 02-25-2019 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1858063)

Thanks Leon! Someone here also said previously there was a Dave Davenport.... researching.

nolemmings 02-25-2019 12:05 PM

Davenport and Weilman appear in the SGC reports, and Fournier in the PSA pop reports.

Atari 02-25-2019 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 1858089)
Davenport and Weilman appear in the SGC reports, and Fournier in the PSA pop reports.

I see Fournier in the 1916 set for Herpolsheimer at SGC, but not 1921. I see he's in PSA though. I'll use PSA POP to review the list again.

Atari 02-25-2019 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 1858089)
Davenport and Weilman appear in the SGC reports, and Fournier in the PSA pop reports.


Ok when I look at it that way (checking population of SGC / PSA) I wind up with (8) 1921 Herpolsheimer cards that are in neither population:
  • ARTHUR NEHF
  • JOHNNY EVERS
  • TRIS SPEAKER
  • JACK MCINNIS
  • HARRY HOOOPER
  • CHARLES STENGEL
  • WALTER SCHANGE
  • GEORGE SISLER

SGC:
https://sgclegacy.com/PopulationReport.aspx?setid=13817

PSA:
https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball...sheimers/40209

But as Leon pointed out above, SGC actually did grade a 1921 HERPOLSHIEMER's backed CHARLES STENGEL, but appears they have grouped it with the 1921 American Caramel Co. set (in error?)

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

Of course Beckett may have graded some as well. Still working on it.

Leon 02-27-2019 06:58 AM

Since there is so much ambiguity in the way these are categorized it is going to be difficult to get a handle on the population.


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