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Snapolit1 04-19-2016 06:37 PM

Clemente
 
If you are a Clemente collectior you have to check out the latest Mile High collection. Clemente cards just go on and on and on. Serious collection.

ZachS 04-19-2016 06:42 PM

Why is he in the HOF??

Am I doing this right?:D

ullmandds 04-19-2016 07:08 PM

No i thought he broke the color barrier didnt he?

bobbyw8469 04-19-2016 07:09 PM

Wasn't he Dock Ellis's supply guy?

Snapolit1 04-19-2016 07:17 PM

Not sure about any of that but I dated his daughter in junior high school.

gregr2 04-19-2016 07:20 PM

Didn't he date Phil Rizzuto's wife?

Peter_Spaeth 04-19-2016 09:27 PM

He only got to first base with her, because he didn't try for home runs.

Tabe 04-19-2016 11:13 PM

Is he the guy that was in a song?

Leon 04-20-2016 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 1529562)
Not sure about any of that but I dated his daughter in junior high school.

She's transgender. How was it?

AGuinness 04-20-2016 10:02 AM

Does this thread set the record for quickest to stray off course?

pclpads 04-20-2016 10:59 AM

Thanks to the wits - all half - for my am humor fix. :D

forazzurri2axz 04-21-2016 03:23 PM

above replies
 
none are funny imho

asoriano 04-21-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by forazzurri2axz (Post 1530253)
none are funny imho

You're tough to please, Bill. :)

-bobcat

pokerplyr80 04-21-2016 04:07 PM

I'm surprised to see the Clemente RCs in PSA 8 currently sitting at about 15k and 20k higher than the 14 CJ Cobb also in a PSA 8. Am I the only one who thought that the Cobb was a much tougher and more valuable card in that grade, or any grade?

Peter_Spaeth 04-21-2016 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1530267)
I'm surprised to see the Clemente RCs in PSA 8 currently sitting at about 15k and 20k higher than the 14 CJ Cobb also in a PSA 8. Am I the only one who thought that the Cobb was a much tougher and more valuable card in that grade, or any grade?

It doesn't matter, the new money is chasing Clemente not CJs. If the CJ is real, then of course it blows away the Clemente, but welcome to Wall Street.

pokerplyr80 04-21-2016 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1530273)
It doesn't matter, the new money is chasing Clemente not CJs. If the CJ is real, then of course it blows away the Clemente, but welcome to Wall Street.

Im assuming it's real. It would look pretty bad if PSA were to grade a fake 14 CJ an 8 and it ended up in a mile high auction.

CW 04-21-2016 05:29 PM

I thought it was nuts when PSA 8s of the Clemente RC had recently boomed to the $33K range. Now we see two examples in Mile High sitting at $48K and $53K. I wonder if a similar uptick will be seen in PSA 7 examples. $12K+ might become the new norm for that card in NM condition.

Peter_Spaeth 04-21-2016 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1530289)
Im assuming it's real. It would look pretty bad if PSA were to grade a fake 14 CJ an 8 and it ended up in a mile high auction.

Real as in unaltered. Or do you just accept on faith that all high grade cards in slabs are unaltered?

Peter_Spaeth 04-21-2016 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CW (Post 1530291)
I thought it was nuts when PSA 8s of the Clemente RC had recently boomed to the $33K range. Now we see two examples in Mile High sitting at $48K and $53K. I wonder if a similar uptick will be seen in PSA 7 examples. $12K+ might become the new norm for that card in NM condition.

I think at least some of the trickle down effect is inevitable, as people get priced out of 8s it increases demand for 7s, and so on.

pokerplyr80 04-21-2016 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1530292)
Real as in unaltered. Or do you just accept on faith that all high grade cards in slabs are unaltered?

Im sure there are high grade vintage cards in PSA holders that have alterations that were not detected. Hard to know for sure now but the fact that it's in the holder seems to be enough for the collectors and investors bidding on these types of cards.

Peter_Spaeth 04-21-2016 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1530301)
Im sure there are high grade vintage cards in PSA holders that have alterations that were not detected. Hard to know for sure now but the fact that it's in the holder seems to be enough for the collectors and investors bidding on these types of cards.

Yes, absolutely, the flip and holder sanitize it. From the Wagner on down. The flip is its own commodity. So it goes.

pokerplyr80 04-21-2016 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CW (Post 1530291)
I thought it was nuts when PSA 8s of the Clemente RC had recently boomed to the $33K range. Now we see two examples in Mile High sitting at $48K and $53K. I wonder if a similar uptick will be seen in PSA 7 examples. $12K+ might become the new norm for that card in NM condition.

With the premium those are at almost 60k and 65k. An 80% discount to move down one grade sounds like a bargain to me.

jmb 04-21-2016 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1530301)
Im sure there are high grade vintage cards in PSA holders that have alterations that were not detected. Hard to know for sure now but the fact that it's in the holder seems to be enough for the collectors and investors bidding on these types of cards.

Look at the middle picture of Ruth and enlarge it. There are at least 5 VISIBLE touch ups between his ear and his hand, along the bat. There's also one above the GG Co at the bottom left. Be careful out there.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-goudey-...oAAOSwB4NW0fus

pokerplyr80 04-23-2016 03:34 PM

Did anyone notice the Clemente at Heritage? Over 80k for a PSA 8. I thought 60k was getting a little crazy for that card.

CMIZ5290 04-23-2016 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachS (Post 1529548)
Why is he in the HOF??

Am I doing this right?:D

I agree with Bill. Sometimes humor is OK and other times a little bit of ethics and decency are in order. For you guys that honestly believe that about Clemente, please..... For Ullman, you never cease to amaze me. I know you miss your buddy, but you really are clueless....

WhenItWasAHobby 04-24-2016 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1530303)
Yes, absolutely, the flip and holder sanitize it. From the Wagner on down. The flip is its own commodity. So it goes.

This pretty much sums up the state of the industry and once I came to this realization, I pretty much quit buying "investment cards".

CW 05-02-2016 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1530306)
With the premium those are at almost 60k and 65k. An 80% discount to move down one grade sounds like a bargain to me.

I may have underestimated the NM level.

PSA 7 ends at $25,100!

clydepepper 05-02-2016 11:14 PM

What about the '52 Mays PSA9 at 200K!

I don't recall Willie ever getting that kind of respect - within the hobby I mean.


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Yoda 05-03-2016 10:28 AM

I wonder if Puerto Rico defaulting on their due bond's interest payment today is a possible factor driving the highly inflated bidding on high grade Clemente RC's. CNBC has reported an unfounded rumor the their treasury has been funding the Clemente card's wild run-up in a quiet attempt to repatriate as many of them as possible back to his birthplace in an effort to calm roiling financial markets. It is apparently felt that the infusion of such high grade assets will somehow support the integrity of their gov't bonds.
Sandy Koufax could not be reached for comment.


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