Fair shake; calling out Kirk Keith
 

Hi everyone this is Joey farino. After a long talk with Leon he has agreed to let me come on here one last time to clear my name of all of ithese false accusations by Mrmint. Im starting this thread to call him out for all of the rumors he has associated me with. Kirk if i have done all the things you say I have done please respond with REAL proof to the following claims you have made. Time to put up or shut up. Dont avoid the questions like youve been doing. These are serious accusations and I want everyone to see how full of it you are. If Ive supposedly done all these things then youll have no problem answering these questions. And included I want to see names of people Ive done all this to.

You said I threatened 4-5 people with negative feedback in order for a better deal. if I have done this please list the sellers I have done this to and what items I bought from these sellers that I supposedly threatened.

You said Im Sam1952 please show me proof that I am Sam. I have already told Leon I will provide a picture of my ID to show who I am. I live in washington state and this Sam guy is from california. You have repeatedly said I was him so lets see some proof.

You said I was involved in some MJ RC psa 10 scam. I want to see some REAL proof that I ever had any part of that. I want to see proof that my name or email was in any way associated with whatever was involved in that transaction or that I was ever in possession of a MJ RC Psa 10

You have accused me of "money laundering" or committing fraud with the cards I have bought or sold. I want to see proof that I ever committed any criminal activity. I have all my billmelater statements if it comes down to it. I have a clean record and have never in my life had a felony or been involved in such a cowardly act. Im thousands of dollars in debt because I made bad decisions when I first started out collecting. Buying and selling low. I know alot of you dont understand this and honestly i didnt either. I started out somewhat compulsive and made alot of mistakes buying cards that I wanted and then had remorse the next day and sold for a loss. I did this many times and am now paying for it, literally. I have really started enjoying this hobby as it should be and have learned from my mistakes. its just too bad it took cost me thousands of dollars to learn.

You said I had something to do with the seattle card shop being robbed. You even posted a picture of the guy who did it. If I really robbed a store please show me proof that I ever did such a stupid thing.

You said I cracked out my avengers #1 cgc 3.5 comic and listed it as raw and 5.0 or higher. I have posted the paypal transaction of when I sold the comic, look at the details of the transaction. If youd like you can email the buyer and ask if they received the comic.

Im calling you out Kirk in front of everyone. So once and for all lets see real concrete proof that I did any of these things

Dan Mckee- I apologize for lying to you a couple years ago when I bought that babe ruth from you and lied about the reason why I needed to return it. It was a great card and you are very nice guy. It was childish and stupid and Im sorry for being a idiot at that time.

Leon, I thought we had some drama a couple days ago, but this could be even better.

Hi Joey
I think this forum will give you a fair shake. I am neutral on everything between you and anyone else... We have all made some mistakes, me more than most. Most times, unless they were heinous in nature, people can forgive quite a bit. It's usually more about what you do after you make a mistake, which makes the difference. And everyone in this thread is going to need your first and last name in your post. It seems appropriate....thanks....

Sean- no drama. Ive just been accused and stalked by Kirk for over 2 years. He's accused me of everything and anything. Whenever I ask him for proof he has none and avoids the question. I have made mistakes in the past, but havent done any of these things. Im tired of him and thats why im calling him out

No problem. Joey Farino

My thought is that if someone wants a fair shake, what better place than an open and equal forum? :) ....now, please pass the popcorn.

Alright, where's my checklist:

Coffee - check
Lots of snacks - somewhat a check
Battery pack - check
Bottle of anything - check

Leon, extra butter and popcorn cheese?

Ok, I'm good to go :cool:

Shopping Cart Contents


Qty Item Options Price
1 AVENGERS #1 CGC 3.5 VERY NICE!
Item # 200827225434 $1,015.00 USD
Amount $1,015.00 USD

Item Total:
$1,015.00 USD
Sales Tax:

Shipping:
$0.00 USD
Seller discount or charges:
$0.00 USD

Total amount:
$1,015.00 USD
Fee amount:
-$29.74 USD
Net amount:
$985.26 USD
Date:
Oct 4, 2012
Time:
09:30:41 PDT
Status:
Completed

Insurance:
$0.00 USD

Payment From:

Buyer's ID:
mandym282
Buyer's Email:
mandy_marie7517@hotmail.com
Payment Sent to:

blackitalian81@gmail.com

Leon- I posted the paypal transaction of the avengers #1 cgc 3.5 that Kirk accused me of cracking out and selling as a 5.0 or higher. This transaction shows when I sold it and as you can see in the details it states avengers #1 cgc 3.5, not 5.0 or higher

That's fine. I am not going to interfere in the thread too much, except to express my own thoughts...just like anyone else can do. I will caution everyone from posting too much personal (especially contact) info which isn't allowed. So, take out personal info from communications, and most things can be posted. I reserve the right, as usual, to take out very personal info that is posted. Members can get their point across without posting things not permitted.

leon- no problem. i just wanted to show the transaction to prove that I did indeed sell it and his accusation was false

bummed
 

I thought this thread was going to be about Alan Rosen . . .

Yay! More grown men fighting about baseball cards!

lol..I wish that was all it was about. This guy has literally been following my every move for the past 2 years and accused me of everything and anything. Im calling BS on all of his lies and made up stories about me and demand proof. never seen a grown man like Kirk go to such lengths to try and rub someones name in the mud

Alan I play the ponies Rosen
 

So did I! Very upset. This is all kids stuff compared to a good Mr Mint rippin!!:D:D:D;););)

Gotta admit I looked up mrmint in our member names...couldn't find it..searched old threads....I guess the talk is about somebody named kirk keith? So why the references to mrmint?
btw Joey.....did you buy an ex+ raw 54 Topps Kaline rookie from me a couple of years ago.....then claim it had a crease....and I "kickbacked" a few bucks to avoid a return and neg feedback? Maybe it wasn't you but it seemed like the modus operandi described in the other thread.
Peace, Dave.

Sorry I shouldve referenced kirk keith. His name on the psa boards is mrmint. And no I have never bought any Al Kaline card. never collected any of his cards and dont really know anything about him. The only 54 topps cards ive bought are Hank aaron Rc's and a Ted williams #1 and #250 which was awhile ago.

Cool.......ok now let's get to the Kirk Keith Kunundrum. Kalling Kaptain Kirk!!

Cu/psa
 

Someone now has posted, or tried to post, a link to this thread in the earlier CU/PSA tread of the same ilk. A 2nd front counterattack ?

Joey, Wait a moment. You post a transaction about a comic book. And worse, you've never bought a Kaline. Bah!

ps. Yeah, I too thought this thread was going to be about Mr. Mint. What a drag.

The plot tickins!

After reading through this drama over at CU last week, my summary is as follows:

1) Joey agreed to sell MrMint a '54 Ted Williams, but then tried to back out of the sale because Joey changed his mind about selling it.
2) MrMint became upset about Joey backing out.
3) Joey eventually sells MrMint the 54 Williams anyway.
4) MrMint not fully satisfied.
5) Bickering continues unabated at CU on variety of other topics.
6) Joey has admitted to also backing out of some purchases he's made (including the admission on the front end of this thread).

I think admitting one's mistakes is a good reason for everyone to bury the hatchet and move on (both sides). Its become personal now. Let's remember, these are baseball cards we're talking about.

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Thanks man, I got out of comics and quickly learned it wasnt my thing. Hope to get to know all of you and talk cards with you. And youre right about the contact info. I will delete it but Kirk has been accusing me of this for so long finally had to show him some proof

I really think youre right because I cant think of anything else Ive personally done to this guy to be so obsessive over me. I know me and him got into it when I sold him the 54 williams. But he got the card and all was done..so i thought

Is Kirk a member here? If not, why call him out here and start "drama" here? To me, that would be like calling out someone that works at Home Depot by going into Lowe's and announcing you are calling them out

Mike Navarro

lol..of course hes a member here. His name on here is taxman. Im surprised youve never heard of him

I am unaware of any prior history between joey farino and his accuser alluded to in this post. However i must mention a recent transaction between a Joseph Farino and myself on ebay dated 4/13/13. I purchased a t206 cobb red portrait for $625. Never received and messaged the seller numerous times inquiring about the card to no avail. Seller never responded and i receive an email from paypal that my money was refunded. The seller -- Joseph Farino -- no communication and refused to send the card. I checked the sellers history and he sold the same exact card to another ebay member a few days prior to my purchase and refunded his money as well! I do know if this is the same Joseph Farino but his ebay id i believe was ital**nz (the item has been deleted so i cant retrieve the member history off ebay) and his email which was linked to his paypal account was celtic*****91@gmail.com. If this is the correct Joseph Farino, I feel obligated to let the forum members know. Do not deal with! Absolute horrific seller. If it is not, i apologize and will remove this post should i receive proper evidence.

yes that is me. I did in fact refund your money because I decided to hold onto the card. I refunded your money with no questions asked. If I recall you left me negative feedback accusing me of being a scammer when I refunded your money. If i was a scammer I wouldve taken your money and kept the card. I instead refunded your money asap. Ive sold many many cards with no problems at all. I thought I was ready to sell that card, but I was wrong. That was my fault.

Got it. Hadn't paid much attention to Taxman.

mike

no problem, i dont think alot of people do..lol

Really
 

I don't have a dog in this fight but come on, refund money on the same card twice ?? You must be waiting for more money. Sellers remorse twice...to hokey for me...thanks for the warning !!

Boy oh boy Joey boy
 

Leon,
looks to me that joey boys mistakes (if they really are mistakes) continue to be made with new names and accounts. One of the last postings about the cobb card will tell you that. seems to me he is either very stupid or a con artist playing a game that only a few understand. More popcorn!!;);)

[QUOTE=JoeyF1981;1136429]yes that is me. I did in fact refund your money because I decided to hold onto the card. I refunded your money with no questions asked. If I recall you left me negative feedback accusing me of being a scammer when I refunded your money. If i was a scammer I wouldve taken your money and kept the card. I instead refunded your money asap. Ive sold many many cards with no problems at all. I thought I was ready to sell that card, but I was wrong. That was my fault.[/QU

oh boy!:rolleyes:

How many more of these scumbags do we have to suffer on this board? Is it so difficult to complete an ebay transaction without this kind of garbage?

To hokey for you? I didnt rip anyone off, didnt scam anyone. I first sold it because I was going to jump on a hank aaron rc i had been watching. sold the cobb but was too late on the hank aaron rc. refunded the money right away. Second time I sold it I thought I was ready but came to the conclusion that I knew id regret it if i did. Refunded his money asap. Kept the card

I'm calling BS. You don't have that luxury on eBay. If you put something up for sale via auction, guess what if someone bids you don't get to say "I changed my mind." I have no idea about the accusations that have been thrown out there about you but kinda don't care once you stated the above, that is all I need to know before making the decision you aren't someone I care to do any kind of business with.
-Rhett

I seem to remember your name associated with a problem with Dan McKee, I could be wrong.

First of all the issue with dan mckee was 2 yrs ago and I have already spoken to him and apologized which he accepted.

And you can change your mind but your obviously subject to negative feedback and comments. I deserve it theres no doubt. Im not asking any of you to buy anything from me. Im here to confront kirk about his false accusations. thats all

Seriously, do you think anyone gives a damn that you were 'going to jump on a hank aaron rc' as your reason for not honoring a legally binding contract? You're a scumbag, plain and simple.

I agree with Rhett here! Sounds like you pulled it back twice because you didn't like the price you got. Sounds like BS.

scum
 

Jeff,
I believe at least a bakers dozen of scumbags might be the correct number!;);)

Sounds scammish to me. You auctioned a card, a bidder won and paid and you said "naaaah"....I wish I could have done that when my beautiful 34G Foxx sold for 60% what I paid for it. What about Ethan, maybe he passed on another card to be able to afford yours and follow thru with his actions. Go make some deals with Adrian...

No and im not asking anyone to care. This is about kirk keith! I am a scumbag for backing out twice. I deserve it and Ive accepted that. I couldve easily lied about it, but I did in fact do that and im admitting it. Ive made alot of mistakes in the past couple years one of them being very indecisive. You can call me what you want, but im here to confront kirk

Other than back outta deals, what else have you done? Just asking, sometimes one thing leads to another.

Steve Suckow

Youre right and he might have. I f*cked up and I know that. I returned his money right away. I wasnt holding out for more money. It was a buy it now auction

Joseph- No response to my ebay messages and selling the same card twice! I am not going to start anything with you. Its just cardboard and i will move on. Just wanted to make the forum members aware. I will let them make their own judgments. This forum is made up of many collectors who just want to go about their hobby in the most honest and enjoyable of ways. I will leave you all with this:

The second ebay purchaser of the exact card you sold me a week or so later contacted me as well. Here is the email he sent me (copy and paste without full id names):

"Hi. I see you also had a bad experience buying from it****z31. I too "bought" the T206 Cobb Red from him. I bought on Friday, April 5. The seller requested I send the funds the same day. I agreed.

On Monday, April 8, I saw that a refund had been initiated. There was no explanation. The seller told me he was called out of town on business for 3 weeks and could not sell me the card. However, the PayPal payment said "pending." This means that the seller did not have the funds in his account necessary to issue the refund. The following day, he attempted to get me to cancel the order. I did not cancel until the PayPal refund went from "pending" to completed.

Today, I checked his feedback to see if he scammed anyone else and I saw that you left negative feedback. I then looked into a little more and found this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-Ty...item35c6123bf4

It's the same card that we "bought"!!

- s*p*r*a*49"

Ive admitted to what ive done. I lied to dan mckee, backed out of some deals, and lied in the past to purchase a card. sh*t is bad but theres nothing I can do about what I did then. Im here to call out kirk because his accusations are very serious. Im not looking for anyones sympathy. Im simply here to prove what kirk said is BS, thats all

Joey, hung by your own petard!

Yes I was out of town for longer than 3 days and I had the money in my account. In the paypal transaction it asks if you want to refund the money and I hit yes. Paypal pays the fees they charged me for withdrawing the money he sent me and I pay the rest. It takes 2-3 days to fully process. I had more than enough in my account. I left negative feedback because his feedback was ridiculous

Joey,
very hard to come on a public forum and only confront one person that you had a bad dealing with. Where I sit it looks like you opened up a pandora's box of other people that you did something to that wasnt up to par so to speak with "DOING THE RIGHT THING" on a transaction. Maybe you can explain to me why you dont deliver the cards or items that people win. Sellers remorse gets a little old after 10 or 20 times. Yah Know.

You lying and cheating and breaking contracts is also very serious. No one has any interest in giving you sympathy -- why would you even suspect it? You're a degenerate and really shouldn't be permitted on this board because you prey on honest hobbyists. As for Kirk, no one cares. Just go away.

i have asked my wife to hold off on dinner. she has decided to proceed with hers, but i think there is some serious potential in this thread and am prepared to warm mine in the microwave later on this evening. i hope it is not a decision i will regret.

Thats only happened twice. Ive delivered every other card on ebay. I had 100% feedback before that. Ive sold a few cards to psa members in the past couple months and they all got their cards no problem

Thats cool I will go away. I dont want sympathy from anyone. This is about me and kirk.

How does one leave negative feedback for a buyer? This is eBay we're talking about, right?

oh. in that case i will get on with my dinner.

His negative feedback was taken off. I left a follow-up comment on the feedback he left for me.

Oh, that's all... :)

Just so you know, this isn't going to go well for you Joey. Those are some serious admissions right there, after admitting you have done those things in the not-so-distant-past why would we care if the "other stuff" this guy is saying is true or not? What you have admitted to is imo just as bad or worse than anything he was accusing you of (whether true or not), thus I have no interest in you or your situation.

You Sir are an admitted liar... end of discussion!

I agree. Go away, you have done similar things to me on the buying side then backing out after making ridiculous excuses. Wasted a ton of my time and cost me a potential buyer too. It's great that you want to apologize, but you are still pulling the lame moves that no one wants a part of. Until that stops, you will not be able to mend any bridges and not be taken seriously in this hobby, even if your only goal is to start drama.

Sorry I beg to differ. If you google your name you will find that you have done this many more times before. Read your stories looks like a psa10 Jordan rookie that had "problems" with you also. or am I wrong?

Im not asking anyone to care, Im here to put a end to kirk's lies. Hes lied about multiple things and if Im going down then he needs to be outted to.

Zzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzz! Whoa, I wake up and there's a dog fight not involving Michael Vick! Wow!

Next case!

LOLOL I don't even know who Kirk is and I don't care; however, if he screwed you over, he's now become my favorite person on Net 54. Consider him outed -- and applauded.

You are very wrong. I have never been in the possesion of a psa 10 jordan rc ever in my life. And thats one thing Im calling kirk out about. Ive admitted to what ive done. I f*cked up many times and screwed myself and my reputation. I deserve the comments im getting but the things kirk has said are criminal and Im here to call him out. But ask anyone ive sold to besides the cobb and they will all tell you Ive delivered as promised

Let me get this straight, you are mad that someone is lying about you but you have proven that you, yourself are not beyond lying to other collectors if it suits your purpose? Did I miss anything? :D Pot... meet kettle.

Wait a minute. You really only want your internet street cred returned. You lie and screw around with transactions and then when someone named Kirk eventually and effectively dogs you, you have nowhere else to go. :(

YES IVE ADMITTED TO LYING IN THE PAST. I admitted what ive done. Kirk on the other hand has not admitted that he's full of sh*t and thats why I made this post

So all those other people are wrong also? You keep saying that you only did this twice but yet you say yourself "I fuc99ed up many times" How many is many times? Looks like more than 2 my friend.

I never asked anyone for sympathy ever. I apologized to dan Mckee and admitted to him what I did. That transaction was 2 yrs ago. I never took anyones money, scammed anyone, or committed any illegal activities which is what kirk is accusing me of with no proof at all because he has none

I have a thought here, guys and gals. This is the apologetic tone most of us were looking for in the not-so-distant past. I move that we reserve judgment until Kirk weighs in here.

Just my two cents...I realize that I will likely get roasted for it; however, if Leon is willing to give Joey a "fair shake," then I am, too.

Best Regards,

Eric

15 post...
 

....limit needed again :)

Leon, can't Joey be banned for being an adult whose name is "Joey?"

I posted the following story on the CU forum regarding an eBay scam, http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=854942.

I used post number 68, by Leon, in this thread, http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=146321&page=7 to link starcard1234@gmail.com to the person who was trying to scam me. That thread was about Joey Farino so I assumed that it was already determined that he was Sam1952. I guess that's still yet to be absolutely proven.

Here's the bottom line as I see it... Joey Farino is about a 3/10 when it comes to someone you can trust in this hobby. Taxman/mrmint23 makes claims that Joey is a 1/10 so Joey wants to come defend himself. Whether or not Joey has done EVERY thing he's been accused of, he's done enough to not be trusted. Backing out of eBay deals and threatening with negative feedback to get a discount is all I need to hear to know that he is someone that I do not want to deal with at all.

I f*cked up because I did not pay for items I won on ebay. I got kicked off of ebay for that and I deserve it no doubt about it. I could easily try and play the victim card but im not going there. Im admitting what I have personally done. This post is about me and kirk keith. He has been stalking me for 2 years and Im trying to put a end to it before I seek legal action against him. You have no idea what this guy has been doing

If I were in yours shoes Joey, I would disappear from this thread. The multitudes will continue to come out and slam you with prior offenses, that are true. Whatever reputation you may hope to try to restore by settling one solitary issue with another will be buried in this thread for all future buyers and sellers of yours to see your screwups. Not a wise move in my opinion.

Ok, well thanks Joey. All board members will use caution when dealing with Taxman. We also now know not to deal with you. You can go now.

If it's that bad, just take legal action against him and save us the pain.

Yeah, I could see playing the victim card as a real winner for you, OJ.

Is this Kirk Keith guy even a member of this board? I don't recall seeing his name either. Not sure why this needed to be done here (but I respect Leon's judgement as I doubt I am fully aware of the goings on here).

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

The only person I EVER had to threaten with negative feedback was for the Joe Namath rc I bought almost 2 yrs ago. Seller sold it as raw and told me multiple times the card had never been altered and said he paid $2000 for it. I bought it, overnighted it to SGC and it came back as trimmed. confronted seller for a refund and he denied it and said SGC was wrong. Told me he would not refund any of my money and argued with me over it. I told him i was going to leave him negative feedback and let people know what a bad seller he was if i didnt get a refund. Kirk offered me $400 for the card knowing it was trimmed. Sold the card to kirk and also got a $400 refund from the seller after much hassle. I broke even