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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Ted:<br />Just back from a trip. Tomorrow will post some results of my survey data on EPDG and the seven [or six if Lundgren (Chicago) has been confirmed with Piedmont 350] possible 150-only additions.<br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>ames p150<br />doyle p150<br />ewing p150, sc 150<br />jones p150, p150<br />schulte p150<br /><br />previously mentioned these 2..lindaman and lundgren both p150

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Scot Reader<br /><br />This survey regarding the 7 (possible) cards at this point is overwhelmingly<br />in favor of them being "150-only" candidates.<br /><br />The single exception of one reported "P350" of a Lundgren (Cubs) is raising<br />doubts in my mind. Perhaps this card was mistaken for Lundgren (KC) which<br />of course would be a 350 Series card. Statistically speaking, something just<br />does not jive here. Call me a "skeptic", but until some more "350" cards are<br />reported in this survey, I have my doubts.<br /><br />Also, aren't you surprised by the few (3) reported Sovereign 150 cards in this<br />group ?<br /><br />Ted Z <br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p> Joe,<br /><br /> I will try to get a scan to you. I don't have a scanner or a digital camera, so I'll have to borrow one. Thanks for your help. Back2Final4

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Posted By: <b>Art M.</b><p>Ted writes:<br />"This survey regarding the 7 (possible) cards at this point is overwhelmingly<br />in favor of them being "150-only" candidates."<br /><br />There are more than 7 cards that would fit the profile in Ted's survey.<br /><br />Anybody have/seen a T206 Mullin, throwing (horizontal) with ANY Sweet Cap 350 back? Probably not.<br /><br />Anybody have/seen a T206 Schaefer, Detroit with ANY Sweet Cap 350 back? Probably not.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bob Donaldson</b><p>Ames, hands at chest - Piedmont 150 fac 25<br />Doyle, throwing - Piedmont 150 fac 25<br />Jones, St Louis - Piedmont 150 fac 25<br />Lindaman, Boston - Sovereign 150 fac 25<br />Schaefer Detroit - SC 150 fac 30<br /><br />Great thread!

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Art M<br /><br />Hey guy......I fully agree with you. I am presently working on my 3rd T206<br />set (3/4 complete) and I know that there are other possible candidates that<br />fit "150-only" category. However, early in this Thread a comment was made that<br />certain "150-only cards could not have EPDG backs", so this motivated me to<br />start this survey (focusing on these particular 7 cards). Anyone else can con-<br />tinue this on any number of additional T206's suspected of being "150-only".<br /><br />OK guys....the 10 PM tally......<br /><br />PIEDMONT 150 & SWEET CAPORAL 150 = 113<br /><br />SOVEREIGN 150 = 3<br /><br />El PRINCIPE de GALES = 11<br /><br />HINDU = 15<br />

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>thanks Art.<br />i had a feeling with that many epdg's you were going to <br />have the most t206's of the crowd---and with 1200 you're right up there.<br />we can still contend that epdg is much rarer than we thought.<br />i see your point about sov. 150's rarity,too, ted; lee b.'s<br />thread is corroborative.<br />and with your data on the 150 only folks, it looks like the<br />backs world is gaining some very interesting clarity.<br /><br />best,<br /><br />barry<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Mike Ernst</b><p>Great thread!!!<br />I have about 580 T206--all collected prior to 1975, with no regard for backs.<br />There are only 2 EPDG-<br />Schlei catching and Pfeister seated<br /><br />Of the seven we're tracking:<br />Ames--Piedmont 150<br />L. Doyle throwing--Hindu<br />Ewing--Piedmont 150<br />Jones--Piedmont 150<br />Lindaman--Piedmont 150<br />Lundgren (3)--all three are Piedmont 150<br />Schulte--Hindu<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Ted,<br />Two lundgren chicago with piedmont 350s have been reported in this thread.<br />I'd be happy to send mine to you if you'd like to take a closer look. Let me know.<br /><br />The other cards that I have are all 150s.<br /><br />Ames (front) - Piedmont 150<br />Doyle (throw)- Piedmont 150<br />Ewing - Sweet Cap. 150<br />Tom Jones (St. Louis) - Sweet Cap. 150<br />Lindaman - Sweet Cap. 150<br />Lundgren (Cubs) - Piedmont 350<br />Schulte (Cubs) - Piedmont 150<br /><br />With the EPDGs, I have:<br /><br />Chesbro<br />Cobb Bat off<br />Flanagan<br />Groom<br />Marquard Hands Down (2)<br />Jennings Portrait<br /><br />I've always felt the Jennings Portrait was harder to find than other 150 cards. It also seems to be found with EPDG and Piedmont 150, but I haven't seen the card with other backs that I remember in the 150 series.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>Hi Mike,<br /> I would like to buy or trade for your Schulte Hindu. LMK Thanks Brian<br /><br /><br />Hi Art,<br /> It's about time you chimed in. LMK when Mullin arrives.<br /> <br /> Be well Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Barry A.<br /><br />You initiated a great Thread with your EPDG question. Great, because it also<br />stimulated debate as to the validity of EPDG backs on the 150-only cards in the<br />set. And, I guess my Lundgren (Cubs) EPDG was the "spark" that ignited it.<br /><br />Back in the early '80s, another Barry (Sloate) clued me in on the "tough" T206<br />cards when I first started collecting this set. And, it was then when I acquired<br />this card and I still recall how excited I was to show it to Barry. Well, 22 years<br />later, I'm excited again since this card was a factor in the tremendous response<br />to your Thread. <br /><br />T-Rex Ted <br />

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Many,many thanks, ted.<br />I feel a bit like frank w. when he says he's worn out(on another thread) because i've done nothing much the last days but check and recheck this site. <br />But it is a great ride!!!<br />And it's not over---scot reader et al are promising more information.<br />Keep tabulatin'!<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />Barry<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Mike Brailey</b><p>Out of 329 T206's I have 11 that are El Pricipe de Gales.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN W.<br /><br />The jury is still out on these 7 possible "150-only" candidates. But, you<br />must admit that this survey, so far, is indicating that there is a pretty<br />high probability that at least 6 of them are in this category.<br /><br />More significantly, it confirms that these cards were available with EPDG<br /> backs. And, if you are still not convinced on these in the survey, then<br />please consider the early input on this Thread (by Rob) of a Johnny Evers<br />(port) with an EPDG back. And, there is no doubt that this card is in the<br />150-only category.<br /><br />Also, Art M. suggested more cards (Mullin-horiz and Schaefer-Det) and I am<br />in full agreement with him. Perhaps, we should conduct another survey on<br />these and possibly a few more.<br /><br />Schaefer, for example, was traded to Washington in Aug 1909; therefore, the<br />T206 designers would not have extended his first card into the 350-Series.<br />And, its interesting that Schaefer re-appears later in the 460-only Series<br /> (with Washington).

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> Art and I have been "chatting" and keeping track of rare backs together for quite some time. We both feel there are many cards in all series that are probably not available with all of the "possible" combinations which should be available. <br /> I'm not sure why you think I'm disagreeing with your conclusions, as I agree with most of them. My major concern is that we still don't have a "known" 150 only card with a ELPD or Old Mill back. Evers Blue Sky is the 150 only, not the portrait, which is availabe in both the 150 and 350 series. In fact I have an ELPD Evers Portrait.<br /> I'm enjoying these threads more than anyone on the board, because I study these cards whenever I have any free time. <br /> Art is the reliable source who has listed Lindaman as being seen with a 350 Piedmont back, but he may have made a mistake, or he may not remember. I'm sure he will chime in shortly.<br /> Trying to figure out the patterns of distribution on these cards has been my passion for years and I'm excited so many others are interested in finding out which cards are really "available" with which backs.<br /><br /> Talk to you soon Brian<br /><br />PS My Mullin comment to Art had nothing to do with the Horizontal in the thread, but an Orange background Portrait I sent him for his Birthday and his Tiger collection.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN W.<br /><br />You caught me in an error....Evers (Blue sky) is indeed the 150-only card.<br />I always held the idea that any picture of a Chicago (NL) player with "CUBS"<br />on their uniform as a 150-only card. And, of course Evers (portrait) depicts<br />this. Sorry, I got carried away. And, you are right we both think the same<br />regarding the T206's.<br /><br />OK....I will agree, until we arrive at a more definitive understanding as to<br />which additional cards can be classified as "150-only". We haven't seen an<br />EPDG on the known 11 - "150-only" cards....Geo. Browne....M. Brown(Cubs)....<br />Burch (bat)....Donlin (fldg)....Evers (blue sky)....Pattee....Pelty (horiz)<br />Powers....Reulbach (Cubs)....Honus Wagner....Sherry Magie (only with P150).<br /><br />Incidently, did you ever get a chance to check-out your Magee (port) cards to<br />see if you have a Piedmont 150 in Vg-Ex (or better) condition for me ? <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> I think the 6 possible 150 only cards might be part of a small group of cards that were first released in the 150 series with Piedmont, Sweet Cap, Hindu and Sovereign, and the released again in what I will call the first "assorted" series. I believe this first "assorted series" consisted of Old Mill and ELPD brands and was released shortly after the 150 series and before the initial 350 series release. I believe many of these cards that are "supposed" to be available in the 350 series were either not included at all or they were short printed due to there earlier release in the 150 and assorted series. This would explain the relative scarcity of Lundgren, Mullin, etc in the 350 series.<br /> I did check on the Portrait of Magee and I was mistaken, the only Magee Portrait I have with a Piedmont back is my Magie error, and he's not for sale. Keep the info coming guys. Be well Brian

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Here we go again, now that we found there are a few Sovereign 150 in the 150 only cards. <br /><br />Where are all the OLD MILL 150 series only cards? I have been half heartly trying to get all the diiferent backs for the G.Browne Cubs & have never seen Old Mill or EPDG.<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Robert A<br /><br />I have duly noted the prior posting of a Lundgren (Cubs) with a<br />P350 back in the Table. It bothers me, however, that the scan of<br /> this card has vanished.<br />I will add yours to the tabulation when I update the tally this PM.<br /><br />Can you please show us your Lundgren (front & back) ?<br />

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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Hi Ted,<br /><br />I'm not sure why the scan disappeared. I didn't remove it. <br />I will post it again later tonight.<br /><br />Along with my trading buddy Chuck P. who mentioned he has one as well, I guess that makes two with a piedmont 350 in this thread.<br /><br />Best regards.<br /><br />Robert

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>As of 4 PM 6/7/06 Tabulation<br /><br />Note....2 cards have been added as new inputs have been received, they are:<br /><br />Mullin (horizontal) = 1 (P150)<br /><br />Schaefer (Detroit) = 2 (P150 & SC150)<br /><br />PLAYER................150.....350.....EPDG.....HI NDU<br /><br />Ames (hds chest)....19........0.........0..........2<br /><br />Doyle (fldg)............18........0.........0..........3 <br /><br />Ewing....................17........0.........3... .......1<br /><br />Jones (St Louis)......19........0.........1..........3<br /><br />Lindaman...............19........0.........3..... .....5<br /><br />Lundgren (Cubs)......21........2.........4..........0<br /><br />Schulte (Cubs)........20.........0........0...........3<br /><br />Totals..................143.........2.......11... ......17

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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>The lindaman ending soonest on ebay supposively has a sovereign 150 caboose, but there is no scan included.

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>T Rex, great work tabulatin'!<br /><br />I'm wondering about the sampling.<br />Looks like around 25 examples per card, with a total of 'round 170.<br />I'm grateful for the responses from folks but wonder what sort of sample we need to get.<br />In other words, any 'guesses' out there regarding how many of these particular cards may be out there, so we can envision what the tabulations may actually be saying. I would assume that this<br />board's collectors hold many, if not most, of the cards. What do you think? <br /><br /><br />again, a great ride!!<br /><br />best,<br /><br />herbivore

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>From my eBay survey:<br /><br />1. SUBJECTS CONFIRMED WITH EPDG:<br /><br />150-only (0.5% of backs seen): M. Brown (Cubs on Shirt)<br /><br />150/350 (1.1% of backs seen): Beaumont, Bergen (Batting), Bowerman, Bradley (Portrait), Cicotte, F. Clarke (Portrait), F. Clarke (Holding Bat), J.J. Clarke, Criger, G. Davis, Donlin (Seated), Donovan (Portrait), Dooin, Evers (Portrait), Ganley, Gibson, Gilbert, Griffith (Portrait), Herzog (N.Y.), Jennings (Portrait), Karger, Keeler (Portrait), Killian (Pitching), Lajoie (Throwing), Leach (Portrait), Overall (Portrait), Owen, Ritchey, Rucker (Portrait), Schaefer (Detroit), Stovall (Portrait), Tinker (Portrait), Turner, He. Wagner (Bat on Left), Young (Bare Hand)<br /><br />350-only (1.0% of backs seen): Atz, Barger, Blackburne, Bliss, Bush, Casey, E. Collins, Congalton, Davidson, Demmitt (N.Y.), Dubuc, Jo. Dunn, Easterly, Egan, Fiene (Portrait), Fiene (Throwing), Freeman, B. Graham, Hoblitzell, Hofman, Jackson, Kelley, Lord, Maddox, McCormick, McLean, Nattress, Nichols, Oberlin, Phillippe, Puttman, Rhodes, Schlafly, Stanage<br /><br />350/460 superprint (1.2% of backs seen): Chance (Port. Yellow), Chase (Port. Blue), Chase (Dark Cap), Cobb (Port. Red), Mathewson (Dark Cap)<br /><br />350/460 regular print (1.2% of backs seen): Berger, M. Brown (Chicago on Shirt), Doyle (With Bat), Jennings (One Hand), Jennings (Both Hands), Johnson (Pitching), Joss (Pitching), Lajoie (With Bat), Lake (No Ball), H. McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago), Mullin (With Bat), Overall (Hand Face High), Steinfeldt (With Bat), Street (Catching), Tinker (Bat Off), D. White (Pitching), Wilhelm (With Bat), Willis (Throwing)<br /><br />460-only (0.6% of backs seen): Bell (Follow Through), Bridwell (With Cap), Camnitz (Arms at Side), Chance (Batting), Frill, Gandil, Murray (Portrait)<br /><br />2. BACKS CONFIRMED ON POTENTIAL 150-ONLY SUBJECT ADDITIONS:<br /><br />Ames (Hands at Chest): Br. Hindu, P150, SC150/25, SC150/30<br />Doyle (Throwing): Br. Hindu, P150, Sov150, SC150/30<br />Ewing: P150, SC150/649<br />T. Jones: Br. Hindu, P150, SC150/25, SC150/649<br />Lindaman: Br. Hindu, P150, SC150/25, SC150/30<br />Lundgren (Chicago): EPDG, P150<br />Schulte (Front View): P150, Sov150, SC150/30<br /><br />NOTES:<br /><br />The EPDG back appears on roughly 1% of T206s.<br /><br />It seems from earlier posts that Lundgren (Chicago) is a 150/350 series card. It would be great to see scans of any OTHER of the seven potential 150-only subjects identified above with a 350 back so they could be definitively ruled-out as 150-only subjects.<br /><br />I have never seen any confirmed or potential 150-only subject with an OLD MILL back. It would be great to see scans of any confirmed or potential 150-only subject with OLD MILL--if indeed any exist.<br /><br />Scot<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p> Hi SCOT,<br /> You need to add the following:<br />ELPD<br />150/350:<br />Bates, Chesbro, Crawford, Delehanty, Hemphill,Johnson Port, Jones st. Louis,Kling, Lindaman, Lumley, Marquard, Mathewson white cap, Mullin hor, Niles, O'Leary, Powell Hor, Scheli cat, Spade, Weimer.<br /><br />Sorry, heading to CA. in the am and don't have time to finish, but will do so when I retrurn next thursday. Be well Brian <br /><br /><br />PS I have a Ewing Hindu, and I have seen Hindu's of Schulte and Lundgren.

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Scot please email me

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Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>Ames, Doyle , and Lindaman all P150's in my collection for the record.<br />RayB

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Posted By: <b>dd</b><p>EPDG 6 out of 450+ T206's<br /><br />Cravath<br />Evans<br />Joss pitch<br />Lajoie throw<br />Konetchy glove near ground<br />Barbeau

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Scot,<br />Add these EPDG to your confirmed list. Can send scans if you need them<br />1.Bresnahan (bat)<br />2.Burchell<br />3.Chesbro<br />4.J. Collins<br />5.Evans<br />6.Kleinow (catch)<br />7.Krause (portrait)<br />8.Lattimore<br />9.Lumley<br />10.Milligan<br />11.Shannon<br />12.Weimer<br />13.Wiltse (pitch)<br />all the others I have you have on your list<br /><br />Ted<br />Also have a Lindaman with Sovereign 150

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Scot, your ebay survey resulting in your contention that the epdg back appears on roughly 1% of T 206's appears to be in line with the data presented by board members on this<br />thread. many,many thanks. <br />the ole epdg turned out surprisingly rare to many of us.<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Barry A<br /><br />Your observation is a valid one and I do not understand why we have not<br />received a larger number of responses. I know of at least a dozen more<br />Forum members that could contribute....but have not.<br /><br />As of now, we have 170+ card inputs. If you think about this, it's not really<br />too bad, and some "statistical genius" would probably tell us that it is quite<br />a representative sample. Consider this.....professional polls typically sample<br />just 1000 people and tell us that their poll is representative of a nation<br />of 300,000 people.....that has always "boggled" my mind.<br /><br />Barry....I don't know how to increase our sample....other than scanning Ebay<br />and other sites for more data. Personally, I enjoy the personal responses we<br />have received on this Thread.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />I should note that I have Brashear, Marquard (Hands at Side) and J. White with EPDG in my own collection. None of these three subjects showed up on eBay when I was taking my survey. My guess is that a sufficient sample (maybe 100,000 or so) would reveal most T206 subjects with EPDG--southern leaguers and ultrararities excepted. So Ted, when can we expect you to complete your T206 set minus southern leaguers and ultrararities with EPDG backs? Scot

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Posted By: <b>sagard</b><p>I think you can extrapolate the ratios in another way. Take the cards with a tons of submissions to SGC (HOFs) and measure the ratios of EPDG in those. It won't be perfect but a 200-300 card sample of a single player card may have less bias than a sample of a 400 card T206 collection.<br /><br />I'd take a look at the data myself, but I won't get to it until the weekend.

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>ted,<br /><br />i agree. it has been a great time seeing what backs the <br />board members have as well as seeing how many t206's they<br />have. i was quite surprised at times. also great fun doing the 'detective' work and <br />collaborative work. <br />and learning some new data along the way.<br />i'm interested in seeing sagard's statistical work,<br />if he gets a chance.<br /><br />many thanks,<br /><br />barry<br />

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Even if the stats are right, you won't find me thinking EPDG backs are particularly rare. They may not be as easy to find as Polar Bear backs or even Sovereign Backs, but they're much easier to find than most of the other backs that T206 collectors consider to be rare. The fact that I currently own three EPDG through nothing but dumb luck, but in almost ten years of T206 collecting have never owned a Carolina Brights, Broadleaf, Drum, Uzit or Lenox backed card is telling...

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>T206Collector<br />I don't think we are stating that EPDG backs are rare (a relative term).<br />Barry Arnold started with the proposition that this back is somewhat tougher<br />than has been previously thought.<br />And, the data we have received here bears this out. In fact your 3 EPDG cards<br />out of 520 different cards in your set is very representative of our findings.<br />And, especially since you are saying the 3 you have acquired are just due to<br /> "dumb luck".<br /><br />Incidently, would you like to inform us of the backs in your set for our Secondary<br />survey regarding the 9 potential "150-only" cards. Refer to the above Table for<br /> these players and their identifying variation.<br /><br />Thanx, Ted

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Scot Reader<br /><br />I have to complete my "all Piedmont" set first and I still need 114 (P350) cards<br />to attain the "magic" 518 total. I have sort of hit a "bamboo wall" recently in<br />trying to acquire the remaining cards (some Stars, Major Leaguers. and mostly<br />Minor Lgers). Either not available or mainly too, too expensive. I am used to<br />paying &lt; $40 a common. Nowadays, T206 in the $20-40 price range are a little<br />too "brutal" for my liking (at least on ebay).<br /><br />So, I do not think I will be taking you up on starting an "all EPDG" set any<br /> time too soon. I will leave that up to some younger guy to try.<br /><br />T-Rex Ted

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Posted By: <b>William Heitman</b><p>It's late and I've just spent a little over an hour on this thread and I've only gotten through June 5. Dan Koochin's posting of 6-4-06 is curious. I do not remember his email. I'm going to go through my notes and lists and post some stuff on this thread.

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>it will be great to have your contributions, Bill.<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...way above, at 12:12 pm on 06/06/06: <br /><br />What backs I have for the following seven (7) cards:<br /><br />Ames (front) - SC 150<br />Doyle (throw) - P 150<br />Ewing - SC 150<br />Tom Jones (St. Louis) - P 150<br />Lindaman - SC 150<br />Lundgren (Cubs) - P 150<br />Schulte (Cubs) - SC 150<br /><br />What other Players would you like me to share?<br /> <br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>T206 Collector<br /><br />Sorry guy, I had already tabulated your inputs.<br />Anyhow, if I understand you correctly, you are the perfect collector of T206's<br />for this survey, because the backs of your 520 cards are incidental to you; and<br />therefore, represent a truer random distribution than most.<br /><br />Also, could you check-out the backs your Mullin (horiz.) & Schaefer (Detroit)<br />and post them......Thanks much. <br /><br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Mullin (horiz.) - P 150<br />Schaefer (Detroit) - you tell me....<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1149946729.JPG"> <br /><br />...anyone want to sell me an SGC 40?

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>As of today, there are no reported "350" backs on Ewing....Jones....Lindaman....<br />and, only two on Lundgren. However, this survey (177 cards to date) does not<br />in anyway discount possible "350" backs on the above 3 players.<br /><br />But, let's consider the 4 above players' Major League history......<br /><br />Ewing (Cinc).....traded from Cinc. to Phila (NL) Jan. 1910<br /><br />Tom Jones (St Louis).....traded from St Louis to Detroit on Aug 20, 1909<br /><br />Lindaman (Bost).....MLB career ended in 1909 (pitched in 15 games)<br /><br />Lundgren (Cubs).....MLB career ended in 1909 (pitched only in 2 games)<br /><br />The point I'm trying to make is, as these 4 players' MLB careers changed in 1909,<br />there is a real good probabilty that the T206 designers decided not to extend<br />3 of them into their subsequent 350 Series (issued in 1910)....The year 1909,<br />of course, is critical to this debate, since that was the year the 150 Series was<br /> first issued.<br />And, regarding Lundgren, a "350" back of him I would argue is very, very rare.<br /><br />Furthermore, all the EPDG backs have only shown up with these 4 players.<br />Not a single reported EPDG back for Ames....Doyle....Schulte; therefore, at<br />this point are we to conclude that these three are indeed "150-only" cards ?<br /><br />And, I arrive at this conclusion since some have said that "150-only" T206<br />cards and EPDG backs are mutually exclusive. <br />

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Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I finally got out my set.<br /><br />Ames front, P 150<br />Doyle throwing Sovereign 150<br />Ewing P 150<br />Jones SC 150<br />Lindaman P 150<br />Lundgren cubs P 150<br />Schulte cubs SC 150

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 

Posted By: <b>Erik Varon</b><p> I only have about 25 T206 cards, mostly HOF'ers. Out of these, two have EPDG backs. They are:<br /><br /> Ed Walsh and Hugh Jennings (portrait).<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Finally rounded up all of the rest:<br /><br />Jones, Schaefer & 2 Mullens all SC 150s.<br /><br />Jones and Schaefer were 2 of the last 10 cards I needed.<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>and they did not seem particularly hard for me to track down - although getting the rest of the Philadelphia players -- may be tougher now, in light of this thread <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>As of 3 PM....6/10/06<br /><br />Note....2 players have been added as new inputs have been received, they are:<br /><br />Mullin (horizontal) = 5 (P150)....1 (EPDG)<br /><br />Schaefer (Detroit) = 5 (P150 & SC150)<br /><br />PLAYER................150.....350.....EPDG.....HI NDU<br /><br />Ames (hds chest)....21........0.........0..........2<br /><br />Doyle (fldg)............20........0.........0..........3 <br /><br />Ewing....................18........0.........3... .......2<br /><br />Jones (St Louis)......21........0.........2..........3<br /><br />Lindaman...............22........0.........4..... .....5<br /><br />Lundgren (Cubs)......22........2.........4..........1<br /><br />Schulte (Cubs)........21.........0........0...........4<br /><br />Totals..................155.........2.......14... ......20

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koochin</b><p>I've always used Lew Lipsets' 'Marketing of T206' <br />as a reference - link below. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_17.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_17.html</a><br /><br />From an advertising standpoint, only Piedmont, SC<br />and Sovereign are mentioned in the first printing of T206.<br />Hindu comes later. My personal speculation is that EPDG<br />staring issuing late September/early October 1909. By that<br />time Hindu is issuing 350 series cards. To clarify, I <br />speculate EPDG is also 'a 350 series issue'. Doesn't<br />mean EPDG doesn't have 150 series subjects, just means<br />it was issued after the 'first' 150 series print run.<br /><br />The '9' 150 series shortprints shouldn't have EPDG backs. <br /><br />The others you are tabulating card backs for will have EPDG backs, I'm not surprised. Ted, Scott I'm unclear why its necessary to group these in with the other 9 that do not feature EPDG backs. <br /><br />Ted , Scott<br />Are you saying EPDG was a 150 series brand issued right<br />from the start (speculative June /July?)and somehow didn't<br />issue the '9' shortprints, nor advertise their product. Or are <br />we agreeing they were issued later, roughly late fall 1909? <br /> <br />