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frankh8147 02-18-2014 06:01 PM

Definitely Honus???
 
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So I recently won an Ebay auction I am pretty happy about, however, I wanted a little bit of confirmation from here (I struggle with the whole face-recognition thing). Is the player featured here definitely Honus Wagner (as it has been sold as (link below)? To me, it looks good but I just wanted to hear the opinion of some experts. Thanks again! -Frank

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...ntoryid=109662

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 02-18-2014 06:03 PM

Looks like him to me.


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frankh8147 02-18-2014 06:04 PM

Or is it just Joe Jackson again..that guy just keeps showing up on my toast!

Bocabirdman 02-18-2014 06:14 PM

Looks like Wagner was an awful bunter.:D

ullmandds 02-18-2014 06:21 PM

that guy looks more handsome than Honus!

bbpostcards 02-18-2014 06:53 PM

Pennant
 
What looks like the same image with some detail added is identified on a Chicago Whales pennant as Joe Tinker. See http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/..._fall/854.html

ullmandds 02-18-2014 06:54 PM

looks buck weaverish to me!

Brian Van Horn 02-18-2014 07:00 PM

Although the jawline is a bit like Wagner, it looks like a Red Sox uniform. I was thinking Heinie Wagner, but I just saw his mug and it isn't him. Could just be a model.

bgar3 02-18-2014 07:54 PM

cover vcbc
 
i remember this was on a cover of an old vcbc, presumably with an article. probably one on ebay to check, or even on B/S/T here.

GoldenAge50s 02-18-2014 07:57 PM

Doesn't look anything like Wagner to me!

hshrimps 02-18-2014 08:14 PM

Not Babe Ruth, that's for sure.

savedfrommyspokes 02-18-2014 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s (Post 1243549)
Doesn't look anything like Wagner to me!

I agree with Fred....

maybe for licensing reasons, if it was Honus Wagner, the uniform pictured does not appear close to the uniform in this link:


http://blog.heritagesportsart.com/20...d-team_15.html

the 'stache 02-18-2014 09:03 PM

What do the ears say?

Bpm0014 02-18-2014 09:18 PM

Whoever it is, he's about to break some fingers bunting like that....

MyGuyTy 02-18-2014 09:21 PM

It's definitely Joe Jackson..........;)

Lordstan 02-18-2014 09:23 PM

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Sorry, but it doesn't look like Wagner to me.

I think the nose is too narrow. Honus had a bit of a bulb at the end. The guy in the picture doesn't. It appears Honus also has a bump on the bridge of his nose. The artwork doesn't.

Butch7999 02-18-2014 11:06 PM

How is this even a discussion? It's artwork, not a photo, and totally generic.
Large nose and big chin (a very un-Wagner-like cleft chin, at that) make for, at best,
the slightest (deliberately slight) passing resemblance to Honus...

frankh8147 02-19-2014 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Butch7999 (Post 1243614)
How is this even a discussion? It's artwork, not a photo, and totally generic.
Large nose and big chin (a very un-Wagner-like cleft chin, at that) make for, at best,
the slightest (deliberately slight) passing resemblance to Honus...

That's actually why I posted this for discussion. If the artwork (even if it was made somewhat generically) was modeled after Honus (even if it were a deliberately slight resemblance), as a collector, I would look at it as a Honus piece. To me it looked like him but following these responses, I am thinking I probably just saw Joe Jackson in my toast again! :)

frankh8147 02-19-2014 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bgar3 (Post 1243546)
i remember this was on a cover of an old vcbc, presumably with an article. probably one on ebay to check, or even on B/S/T here.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VCBC-12-Vint...item5651195635

Wow, there it is!!! Anyone have access to this issue to see their take on it??

barrysloate 02-19-2014 05:50 PM

Hi Frank,
I just responded to your email, but now that I read through the thread, I see the majority do not believe it is Wagner. I always assumed that's who it was when that issue of VCBC came out, but never discussed it with the publisher Dennis Purdy. Looks like Wagner to me, but since it is a drawing based on a photograph, it may have a lost a little something in the translation.

Eric72 02-19-2014 06:00 PM

The first image reminds me of Dolph Lundgren. But, of course, it couldn't possibly be him.

ullmandds 02-19-2014 06:45 PM

I am now perusing my copy of VCBC issue #12...Aaron Seefelt is offering a cobb w/cobb back...pls call...Our own Barry Sloate has 7 uzits and 1 red hindu donlin batting for sale...the donlin is $250. An article on REA's record setting auction where a crease free Wags sold for $119 and a 14' Balt Int'l Ruth for 27K...as well as the 5 cobb/cobb backs...what an auction!!!!

As well as a great article on 19th c trade cards...overall a great issue...chock full of great stuff...BUT...there is no mention whatsoever of the image gracing the cover.

Leon 02-21-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1243975)
I am now perusing my copy of VCBC issue #12...Aaron Seefelt is offering a cobb w/cobb back...pls call...Our own Barry Sloate has 7 uzits and 1 red hindu donlin batting for sale...the donlin is $250. An article on REA's record selling auction where a crease free Wags sold for $119 and a 14' Balt Int'l Ruth for 27K...as well as the 5 cobb/cobb backs...what an auction!!!!

As well as a great article on 19th c trade cards...overall a great issue...cjhock full of great stuff...BUT...there is no mention whatsoever of the image gracing the cover.

Those were the days and we didn't even know it.:eek:

ullmandds 02-21-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1244733)
Those were the days and we didn't even know it.:eek:

Yes!

4815162342 02-21-2014 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1244733)
Those were the days and we didn't even know it.:eek:

I imagine we'll be saying the same thing about the here and now in another 20 years. I hope.

gnaz01 02-21-2014 04:04 PM

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I think this ends the discussion, no???

bigtrain 02-21-2014 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by frankh8147 (Post 1243744)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VCBC-12-Vint...item5651195635

Wow, there it is!!! Anyone have access to this issue to see their take on it??

Ahh! I remember that magazine issue well. Primarily for Dennis's take on Richard Galasso. Those were the days.

freakhappy 02-22-2014 12:10 AM

I'm just gonna say it...the cover looks like Joe Tinker ;)


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ullmandds 02-22-2014 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gnaz01 (Post 1244776)
I think this ends the discussion, no???

Yup...just end it!!!

ElCabron 02-22-2014 08:25 AM

Obviously Josh Gibson.

-Ryan

Butch7999 02-23-2014 12:58 AM

Sorry, but in the immortal words of Bluto Blutarsky, "nothing's over... 'til we say it's over."
Not Wagner... not Tinker... but either Honus O'Brian or Honus Harrelson.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...1.jpg~original http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...d.jpg~original http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...c.jpg~original

Leon 02-24-2014 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch7999 (Post 1245320)
Sorry, but in the immortal words of Bluto Blutarsky, "nothing's over... 'til we say it's over."
Not Wagner... not Tinker... but either Honus O'Brian or Honus Harrelson.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...1.jpg~original http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...d.jpg~original http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...c.jpg~original

Now that's funny.

This very much reminds me of the Marquard Youth's Companion that has been known as Babe Ruth Youth's Companion forever. We found the exact same pose and some folks still don't believe it. Whatcha' gonna do?

autograf 02-24-2014 01:15 PM

I'm not sure but I don't think Josh Groban was born then..............

My vote......generic artwork meant to kinda look like a lot of dudes.....like the matchbox that's supposed to be Ted Williams or the baseball bat pencils that are supposed to be Lou Gehrig. Generic....generic....generic.....

These are sold all the time as Ted Williams matchboxes even though they don't say anything about him on them. Ted Williams style of batting stance but still a generic player..........
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=14325

barrysloate 02-24-2014 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by autograf (Post 1245870)
I'm not sure but I don't think Josh Groban was born then..............

My vote......generic artwork meant to kinda look like a lot of dudes.....like the matchbox that's supposed to be Ted Williams or the baseball bat pencils that are supposed to be Lou Gehrig. Generic....generic....generic.....

+1.

Generic, but based on Honus Wagner. Just not a very accurate likeness.

frankh8147 02-24-2014 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 1245875)
+1.

Generic, but based on Honus Wagner. Just not a very accurate likeness.

+2?

So far that's what I'm going with- for my personal collection, Wagner- if I ever were going to sell it, there wouldn't be a name attached to it.

p.s. awesome photo shopping! I feel almost as accomplished as the 'owner'; of a different Wagner on this forum!

frankh8147 02-24-2014 03:18 PM

But to be honest, Joe Tinker would work too! Honestly, I have contacted and a lot of people who think it's Wagner and a lot of people who think it's Tinker (from that pennant). Either way, I love the artwork and I would be happy with a Hall of Famer like Joe Tinker with a..what's that Wikipedia?..262 LIFETIME BATTING AVERAGE AND 31 CAREER HOMERS??? OH JEEZE, COME ON GUYS, ITS DEFINITELY HONUS RIGHT??? :D

Butch7999 02-24-2014 03:28 PM

Thanks, and we don't even have Photoshop.
All done with crayons and rubber cement...

auggiedoggy 02-26-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bocabirdman (Post 1243491)
Looks like Wagner was an awful bunter.:D

I'd never try that bunting grip!!! :eek:

itjclarke 02-26-2014 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman (Post 1243491)
Looks like Wagner was an awful bunter.:D


Quote:

Originally Posted by auggiedoggy (Post 1246658)
I'd never try that bunting grip!!! :eek:

My first thought as well, but then I realized that just about every player back then (Wagner, Tinker, whoever) was probably twice the bunter today's players are. Ugly or not, these guys got it done.

frankh8147 05-21-2014 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gnaz01 (Post 1244776)
I think this ends the discussion, no???

NOPE! But I must admit, that threw a monkey wrench in my thoughts at the time. I just found this; apparently, a lot of different pennants those years featured the same image (link below). Tinker never played for the Braves.

http://www.huntauctions.com/LIVE/ima...=282&lot_qual=


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