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jason.1969 11-25-2014 07:39 PM

Baseball's Greatest Living Player...who is it?
 
In 1969, Joe DiMaggio was voted Baseball's Greatest Living Player. In honor of Joe DiMaggio's 100th birthday (Nov 25, 2014), I lay out a case for Baseball's Greatest Living Player being Derek Jeter.

http://jasoncards.wordpress.com/2014...living-player/

Personally, despite my analysis, I would still vote for Hank Aaron. Nonetheless, my analysis was more in the spirit of who would actually win. Take a look if you're a Joe D. fan, a Jeter fan, or just a fan of really long, half-baked analyses of baseball stats. And then chime in. Who do you regard as baseball's greatest living player?

71buc 11-25-2014 07:47 PM

Derek Jeter is special but Hank Aaron is in a league by himself. If you discount the Bonds embarrassment, Aaron owns 2/3 of the career triple crown. Even if you subtract his homeruns he still has 3000 hits. If he had been a Yankee we wouldn't even consider this question.

Sean1125 11-25-2014 07:47 PM

Today I learned I share my birthday with Joe Dimaggio.

clydepepper 11-25-2014 07:50 PM

I would rank these as the greatest living players:

1.) Willie Mays
2.) Hank Aaron
3.) Johnny Bench
4.) Ken Griffey, Jr.
5.) Mike Schmidt
6.) Frank Robinson

Bonds would have been second if he hadn't cheated.

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 11-25-2014 07:52 PM

Tough to say but this is my humble guess

(1) Aaron
(2) Mays
(3) Griffey Jr.
(4) Maddux

ethicsprof 11-25-2014 07:52 PM

greatest
 
hank aaron.
unequivocally.

all the best,
barry

jason.1969 11-25-2014 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71buc (Post 1348106)
Derek Jeter is special but Hank Aaron is in a league by himself. If you discount the Bonds embarrassment, Aaron owns 2/3 of the career triple crown. Even if you subtract his homeruns he still has 3000 hits. If he had been a Yankee we wouldn't even consider this question.

We are 100% on the same page on this. Sadly (?), an entire wall of my bedroom is dedicated to Hank Aaron baseball cards, bobbleheads, paintings, magazines, etc. My own top five votes would go to Aaron, Mays, Rose, Jackson, and Henderson. At the same time, just as Joe D. beat out Williams/Musial/Mays/Aaron in 1969, I suspect writers would choose Jeter over Aaron today.

Peter_Spaeth 11-25-2014 08:00 PM

Mays.
then Aaron.

Derek Jeter? Please. And I like Derek Jeter a lot.

On the pitching side one could make a case for Seaver.

Exhibitman 11-25-2014 08:01 PM

Aaron or Mays. Either answer works for me.

Greatest living pitcher I'd go with Koufax or Pedro or Big Unit.

Bonds Clemens etc.; sorry no cheaters allowed.

icollectDCsports 11-25-2014 08:07 PM

Mays then Aaron and would have to think some more to rank the next 5 or 10. In the mix would be Frank Robinson, Mike Schmidt, George Brett, . . . .

sycks22 11-25-2014 08:08 PM

Mays without a doubt. Can you be considered the best alive if you were never an MVP? (Jeter)

1963Topps Set 11-25-2014 08:09 PM

I was just about to say... What about pitchers? Sandy Koufax.. The real Mr. October!

Nolan Ryan... Who is going to catch his numbers?

How about Cal Ripkin? Remember the streak?

RichardSimon 11-25-2014 08:13 PM

Mays, no question.

bnorth 11-25-2014 08:16 PM

At no time was Joe DiMaggio the greatest living player.

My vote for now is Hank Aaron.

pclpads 11-25-2014 08:18 PM

No mention of Banks??? :confused:

Peter_Spaeth 11-25-2014 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pclpads (Post 1348128)
No mention of Banks??? :confused:

.271 hitter. No.

Mdmtx 11-25-2014 08:28 PM

Is Ted Williams head still alive?

Mountaineer1999 11-25-2014 08:28 PM

Aaron, Mays, Bonds, Koufax, Maddux, Robinson, Bench, .... There are many greats still living. Would probably be hard for me to squeeze Jeter into the top 20.

BearBailey 11-25-2014 08:30 PM

Willie Mays,
I agree Joe D was never the best living player. Jeter has never been the best current short stop let alone best living player.

Frank Robinson, Mike Schmidt, Hank Aaron, and Pete Rose all get honorable mentions.

darwinbulldog 11-25-2014 08:36 PM

Say-hey!

nebboy 11-25-2014 08:41 PM

Nolan Ryan would make my top 5 list. Just wanted to get his name in the tread.

darwinbulldog 11-25-2014 08:43 PM

Also I would agree that Joltin Joe never deserved that title. After Ruth died the torch passed to Old Cy and then to Mays -- though it certainly looked like Mantle for a few years there. So anyway, it's Mays. And if it isn't Mays (which it is) then it's Trout. Jeter doesn't sniff the top 10.

GoudeyGum 11-25-2014 08:46 PM

Aaron

Baseball Rarities 11-25-2014 08:48 PM

Everyday Players:

1. Mays
2. Aaron
3. F. Robinson
4. Schmidt
5. Brett/Bench


Pitchers:

1. Koufax
2. Seaver
3. Maddux
4. R. Johnson
5. Martinez

vintagetoppsguy 11-25-2014 08:53 PM

Aaron or Mays

KCRfan1 11-25-2014 09:04 PM

Aaron, followed very closely by Mays. At no time will Jeter ever be considered the greatest living player, even if he lives to be 90 years old.

Jobu 11-25-2014 09:14 PM

For hitters, and probably overall, I say Mays over Aaron by a nose.

For pitchers I say Maddux and Randy Johnson need to be in the conversation. Many of you will get mad at this, but I don't think Koufax is in the conversation for best living player. He was absolutely incredible for 5 years and decent for the rest of his career. 5 years does not make one the best living player and we can't count what would have happened if not for the shoulder issues at the end.

Peter_Spaeth 11-25-2014 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog (Post 1348144)
Also I would agree that Joltin Joe never deserved that title. After Ruth died the torch passed to Old Cy and then to Mays -- though it certainly looked like Mantle for a few years there. So anyway, it's Mays. And if it isn't Mays (which it is) then it's Trout. Jeter doesn't sniff the top 10.

One could argue the torch passed to Cobb, who lived until 1960 or so. And before Mays and Mantle retired, one could argue Williams or Musial over DiMaggio.

jbl79 11-25-2014 09:21 PM

Mays a slight edge over Aaron. As hitters...they could be equal. Mays missed most of '52 and all of '53 to the Korean War...otherwise would have had greater career numbers. The deciding factor for me is that Mays has 12 gold gloves and Aaron with 3.

sox1903wschamp 11-25-2014 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pclpads (Post 1348128)
No mention of Banks??? :confused:

Quote:

.271 hitter. No.
By this logic, Bench is out, .267

Peter_Spaeth 11-25-2014 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jobu (Post 1348155)
For hitters, and probably overall, I say Mays over Aaron by a nose.

For pitchers I say Maddux and Randy Johnson need to be in the conversation. Many of you will get mad at this, but I don't think Koufax is in the conversation for best living player. He was absolutely incredible for 5 years and decent for the rest of his career. 5 years does not make one the best living player and we can't count what would have happened if not for the shoulder issues at the end.

I would agree re Koufax. I would take at least Seaver, Gibson, Maddux and Johnson over him, if I can't take Clemens.

Peter_Spaeth 11-25-2014 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbl79 (Post 1348158)
Mays a slight edge over Aaron. As hitters...they could be equal. Mays missed most of '52 and all of '53 to the Korean War...otherwise would have had greater career numbers. The deciding factor for me is that Mays has 12 gold gloves and Aaron with 3.

And Mays had a flair for the dramatic and a style that Aaron, a more reserved man, did not.

oldphil 11-25-2014 09:28 PM

Mays then Aaron. Jeter not in top 10.

Iron Horse 11-25-2014 09:29 PM

Hitters: Mays & Aaron
Pitchers: Koufax & Ryan

robw1959 11-25-2014 09:59 PM

Greatest Living Baseball Player
 
I'll go with Hank Aaron.

yanksfan09 11-25-2014 10:53 PM

I'd say mays and Aaron for hitters .... Probably Koufax and Pedro Martinez for pitchers (Maddux, unit , Seaver )right there also...

I wouldn't put jeter in top 10, and I'm a huge Yankees fan and jeter was probably the favorite player I watched.

I don't think jeter would have been a thought for anyone just a few years ago , especially before he had 3000 hits.

Tabe 11-25-2014 11:21 PM

Bonds
Mays
Aaron
ARod
Griffey jr

sporteq 11-25-2014 11:31 PM

http://171.67.24.121/tobacco_web/ima...thletes_01.jpg

jason.1969 11-25-2014 11:42 PM

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Sean 11-25-2014 11:54 PM

1 Mays
2 Aaron
3 Joe Morgan
4 Schmidt
5 Bench

Bonds would be #2 if you can get past the steroids.

darwinbulldog 11-25-2014 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1348187)
1 Mays
2 Aaron
3 Joe Morgan
4 Schmidt
5 Bench

Bonds would be #2 if you can get past the steroids.

Agreed. And Clemens would be my #1 pitcher, edging out Seaver.

oldjudge 11-26-2014 12:04 AM

Mays
Koufax
Aaron
Berra
Schmidt
Mariano

Rickyy 11-26-2014 12:22 AM

Willie Mays,

Hank Aaron - close 2nd

Ricky Y

71buc 11-26-2014 12:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1348187)
1 Mays
2 Aaron
3 Joe Morgan
4 Schmidt
5 Bench

Bonds would be #2 if you can get past the steroids.

Joe Morgan, awesome pick of an under appreciated player. He and Frank Robinson always get overlooked.

jrlebert 11-26-2014 01:08 AM

Frank Robinson is the most underrated great living player, for sure, but for my money, it's only Aaron here.

clydepepper 11-26-2014 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mdmtx (Post 1348133)
Is Ted Williams head still alive?

Only his head :rolleyes:

glynparson 11-26-2014 01:54 AM

It is Barry Bonds.
 
I know I know.

tedzan 11-26-2014 02:45 AM

Which living BB player has been in 14 World Series, and has 10 World Series Championship rings ?

And, he played a major role in his team's success for 19 years. There isn't any better measurement of a player than this.

In my book its......YOGI BERRA

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Tx52Bx53Bx.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nYogiBerra.jpg
Cooperstown 2012


TED Z
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Tao_Moko 11-26-2014 04:34 AM

1.Aaron - .305/755HR/3771Hits
2.Mays - .302/660HR/3283Hits/12 Straight Gold Gloves
3.Rose - .303/4,256Hits/Head of Big Red Mavhine
4.Ripken - 2,632 consec games/431HR/3184Hits/Title/MVP
5.F. Robinson - .294/584HR/2943Hits/Triple Crown
6.Berra- 3x MVP/10x World Champ

*Musial would have been #3 last year
**RIP Tony Gwynn '14. .338 batting average deserves consideration if alive.

I don't see Koufax in the top five pitchers. Gibson, Seaver, Ryan, Maddux, Johnson and Martinez are still kicking. Even a case could be made for Palmer, Carlton and Glavine.

EvilKing00 11-26-2014 04:48 AM

Got to be mays as best living player

I wouldn't have jeter on this or almost another list, I understand the love affair with him being on the Yankees and playing with such a great team that won a lot. This would be my list of guys better than jeter who are still alive & im sure im leaving guys off too.


1. Mays
2 . Griffey
3. Aaron
4. F. Robinson
5 . Schmidt
6. Brett
7. Bench
8 - Rose
9 - Berra
10 - Ripkin
11. gwynn
12. ichrio
13. pujols
14. banks
15. Eddie Murray
16. McGriff
17. Ricky Henderson
18 - Chipper jones
19. David Ortiz
20. bagwell
21. Vlad gurrero
22. Miguel Cabrera
23. albert bell (roids?)

then you have pitchers

1. Koufax
2. Martinez
3. Seaver
4. Maddux
5. R. Johnson

then you have the roid guys

bonds
arod
maybe piazza
Sheffield
Clemens
etc - etc


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