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ooo-ribay 02-10-2014 02:04 PM

Previously unseen pennant
 
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As a Giants collector with over 200 (mostly vintage) pennants, it's rare I see one I've never seen before. Pictured is one such pennant. It's rough, yes, but I had to jump on it. Has anyone seen this same style for another team? Would you think a star player (e.g. Mays) would have gone in the cutout or was it perhaps for a picture of little Johnny or Sally?? :confused:

the opening is 4.25" x 6"

iwantitiwinit 02-10-2014 02:09 PM

I seem to remember a Yankee pennant when I was a kid with a team picture inserted in a similar spot though the opening was horizontal rather than vertical. Maybe in the 1960's sometime but I could be totally wrong.

ooo-ribay 02-10-2014 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit (Post 1239610)
I seem to remember a Yankee pennant when I was a kid with a team picture inserted in a similar spot though the opening was horizontal rather than vertical. Maybe in the 1960's sometime but I could be totally wrong.

I've seen that pennant as well as a 1962 Giants NL Champs pennant and others but, as you say, those openings are aligned horizontally...

dwr11 02-10-2014 02:46 PM

I'm almost certain this is a player pennant from the 1960's. I have never seen a Giants player pennant but I have either seen or have players from the Twins, Packers, North Stars, Angels, A's, Dodgers, Tigers and Cubs. I'm sure there are others out there as well. They were made in Winona, Minnesota during the 1960's through the mid 1970's. The majority of the player pennants you see are Minnesota Twins players.

cpbronco 02-10-2014 02:49 PM

Somewhat similar Angels pennant
 
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I've seen these somewhat similar Angels pennants.

perezfan 02-10-2014 03:19 PM

Definitely a star player or at least a starter's picture would have filled that void.... Mays, McCovey, Hart, Alou, Davenport, Marichal, Perry and the like...

Must've had a very limited production run for so few of these to survive. Doesn't it suck when you have virtually everything? Then you resort to finding pieces literally with holes in them, just to add something new! :o

Bumpus Jones 02-10-2014 03:24 PM

Hey Mark. Have you ever seen any Reds players used for these pennants?


Chris

ooo-ribay 02-10-2014 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cpbronco (Post 1239636)
I've seen these somewhat similar Angels pennants.

VERY similar, I would say! The cutout is exactly the same :D. I'd still like to seem some others drw11 mentioned.

Albie Pearson, huh? Not proud to say, I had to look him up. Pretty unimpessive stats to win a ROY :eek: although he did later lead the league in caught stealings!

P.S. Could you maybe post a pic of the reverse?

perezfan 02-10-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ballist68 (Post 1239652)
Hey Mark. Have you ever seen any Reds players used for these pennants?


Chris

Chris...

I've never seen any of the individual Reds Players in this style of Pennant. Just the full-sized 1960s pennants with entire Team Picture.

How about you? I would think that if they existed, they would include players like Rose, Perez, May, Pinson, Edwards, Helms, Harper, Ruiz, Cardenas, McRae, Maloney, etc. The era just prior to Big Red Machine... probably just before Bench.

Wishful thinking of course... I doubt these even exist :(

andypcl 02-10-2014 04:50 PM

Reggie
 
I thought I'd post one a acquired a while back. Same pic as on the 69' button.

<a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z228/andypcl/reggie1_zps347b4d6e.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo reggie1_zps347b4d6e.jpg"/></a>
<a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z228/andypcl/Reggie2_zps0cd493fb.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo Reggie2_zps0cd493fb.jpg"/></a>

ooo-ribay 02-10-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1239685)
Chris...

I've never seen any of the individual Reds Players in this style of Pennant. Just the full-sized 1960s pennants with entire Team Picture.

How about you? I would think that if they existed, they would include players like Rose, Perez, May, Pinson, Edwards, Helms, Harper, Ruiz, Cardenas, McRae, Maloney, etc. The era just prior to Big Red Machine... probably just before Bench.

Wishful thinking of course... I doubt these even exist :(

I just did an eBay search.....found a 3/4 size Killebrew, a Denny McClain (maybe also 3/4) and a more modern Rose.

For what it's worth, my picture-less Giants is full size.

effe 02-10-2014 05:47 PM

I've seen an Aaron and Mathews - Milwaukee Braves

MK 02-10-2014 06:04 PM

I've seen Banks, Williams, Santo........Cubs.

ooo-ribay 02-10-2014 06:10 PM

^^^^^^

I want pictures!!! ;)

perezfan 02-10-2014 06:26 PM

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Here's a later Hank Aaron (sorry for crappy image) and a killer Roberto Clemente...

perezfan 02-10-2014 06:36 PM

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A couple of Ernie Banks variations....

perezfan 02-10-2014 06:41 PM

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Yaz, from same series...

ooo-ribay 02-10-2014 06:43 PM

The Aaron has the same slant to the opening (as did the Pearson on pg. 1) :D

Are the Banks and Clemente full size?

ooo-ribay 02-10-2014 06:47 PM

Yaz, cubs power Banks and Reggie are obviously the same series....but not the same series as my Giants.

Bumpus Jones 02-10-2014 06:51 PM

Mark,

I've never seen any Reds players from that era but I sure would like to!

perezfan 02-10-2014 06:59 PM

Rob.... That's right (I should have been more specific)

Chris... They must have never been produced for Cincy (we would've seen something by now :mad: )

ooo-ribay 02-10-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1239764)
Yaz, cubs power Banks and Reggie are obviously the same series....but not the same series as my Giants.

looks like these were 20"....the other Banks and similars were 13".....and the Pearson, Giants, etc are full size.

perezfan 02-10-2014 07:34 PM

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The Blue Ernie Banks is just under 14" in length

The Red Ernie Banks is 20" in length

Interestingly, these next two Cubs variations feature similar graphics to the 20" (Red) Ernie Banks. But I believe these are both full-sized 29" pennants. I am 99% sure of it, despite Legendary neglecting to mention the size in their description...

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...entoryid=21200

lefty147 02-10-2014 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1239749)
Here's a later Hank Aaron (sorry for crappy image) and a killer Roberto Clemente...

Great Clemente. Same with the Reggie

dwr11 02-10-2014 08:25 PM

That was the Reggie Jackson that I had as well and I sold the Albie Pearson and two other Angels pennants about a month ago on eBay. I will post pictures of a few different ones when I get a chance.

dwr11 02-10-2014 08:47 PM

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Here are a few pictures.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff219/dwr11/JD1.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...435ab15f1a.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...d906d78430.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...wr11/image.jpg

andypcl 02-10-2014 09:02 PM

pics...
 
That is one nice group of pennants!!!

ooo-ribay 02-10-2014 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1239802)
The Blue Ernie Banks is just under 14" in length

The Red Ernie Banks is 20" in length

Interestingly, these next two Cubs variations feature similar graphics to the 20" (Red) Ernie Banks. But I believe these are both full-sized 29" pennants. I am 99% sure of it, despite Legendary neglecting to mention the size in their description...

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...entoryid=21200

The more I look at all these examples, I'm beginning to think my Giants is the only one that might be a full size single player (not team) pennant. Even the proportions on the Pearson make it not look full size. Same on all those great Twins. What's the skinny, DWR?

dwr11 02-11-2014 05:49 AM

All of the player photo pennants that I have seen have been the mid size 20 or so inch pennant. I have not seen a full size player photo pennant made by the company in Winona, Minnesota.

ooo-ribay 02-11-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dwr11 (Post 1239924)
All of the player photo pennants that I have seen have been the mid size 20 or so inch pennant. I have not seen a full size player photo pennant made by the company in Winona, Minnesota.

great info to know. I never would have thought the Twins would be the "leader" in picture pennants but with their proximity to Wincraft, it makes sense. I also never would have learned so much about my picture-less pennant without the good folks from N54. This is why I joined. :D

P.S. my ebay seller says he bought the Giants example NEW and it never had a picture :eek:. The seller lives in MN.

dwr11 02-11-2014 09:26 AM

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Here is the Ron Santo 14 inch version which I sold around 8 months ago. I know there is a Billy Williams version of this as well.

ooo-ribay 02-11-2014 10:47 AM

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This is getting very interesting (at least for me :D). My Giants pennant is soft felt and fullsized. The seller originally said he got in 1982. I emailed him again and here's the full story:

"The pennant is from the 1950's or 1960's it was in a storage room at WinCraft in Winona, MN. I received it from a relative who was cleaning out an old store room. I received it in 1982 but it is much much older. The other pennants with that look are from the late 1950's and early 1960's. For example I've seen a MN Twins pennant w/ a Harmon Killabrew card in it."

Mark (perezfan) told me he equates Wincraft with stiff modern pennants (as did I) but the company has apparently been around since 1961.

One more thing....the pennant below looked full size to me but it is 20". I'm pretty stoked to have maybe the only full size player photo pennant (prototype, perhaps?) :eek:

One more, more thing....I usually only see Giants pennants. It would be nice to have a thread where we all compare the similar pennant themes used by multiple teams....

ooo-ribay 02-11-2014 11:36 AM

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I threw in a Mays pic from one of the souvenir photo packs the Giants used to sell. The earlier pics were b&w and may be more appropriate but the pics say "Willie Mays, Giants" and the "Giants" seems a bit redundant. This particular pic is just a test - I'm not thrilled, in that Willie is a TAD too tall. Also, attached is a pic I found that shows the reverse of a Yankees team photo pennant.


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