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Posted By: <b>jim</b><p>Looks like a mini W517 Harold Traynor but am not sure. Dimensions are 1 7/8" x 2 11/16". Back is blank.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1147798999.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Very rare!<br /><br />1929 Leaders Novelty Candy Co.<br /><br />Only a few of each card exist. They sell for 3-5X book nowadays.

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Posted By: <b>jim</b><p>Thanks for the quick reply fkw. It was on my SGC submission sheet as a W517 mini.

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>The 1991 Sotheby's Copeland Auction (biggest auction in history) lists lot #707 as having "33 different Leader Novelty Candy Co. cards" (only 8 players are named auction description). But even 15 years later only 20 different have ever been checklisted in catalogs (2006 SCD has 20 dif.), and they have only been listed in catalogs in the last 4-5 years. There is no known complete checklist or sets. I see maybe 2-3 a year on eBay if that.<br /><br />Here is a red one<br /><br /><img src="http://centuryoldcards.com/images/leadnovtraynor.jpeg">

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Posted By: <b>jim</b><p>Is that red one yours fkw? Does the card have bigger borders than seen in the scan? Should I try and have SGC numerically grade mine?<br /><br />Any reason why there is a real or perceived dearth of these available? Was the candy that bad or in 1929 nobody had money due to the bad economic times?

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>No not now, I sold it about 2 years back. <br /><br />Yours has some of the biggest borders I can remember seeing. All I have seen were machine cut so I see no reason why SGC would give anything other than a number grade if they know their stuff. They are not a strip card. They are more like an Uncle Jacks card if anything.<br /><br />All of the info known about them is from that auction of 33 cards. Included with the 33 cards was an original flattened out candy box. If that box didnt exist, Im not sure they would have known where they came from. Ive only owned 2, and seen pictures of maybe a dozen over last 25 years. BTW Leon has one on his site.

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Posted By: <b>Leon</b><p>As a type card collector I love these kinds of issues...I have about 6 in my personal collection...<br /><br /><img src="http://luckeycards.com/peuncleaders.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>jim</b><p>Leon, any idea for the scarcity of these type of cards?

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Posted By: <b>Leon</b><p>As Frank said they are very scarce. IMO on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being my T231 <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>, I would put these at about a 7. I am hard on the term "rare" as I think it's over used far too often (is that a redundant statement?)....I only see about 1-2 Leader's a yr for sale, on average....

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Posted By: <b>jim</b><p>Sorry Leon and et al, I meant to ask why there are so few seen? Bad candy, hard economic times in 1929, area where they were sold had small market, other reason?

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Posted By: <b>Glen V</b><p>No idea why there aren't more Leader Candy cards. Still, more of them than a number of issues. I have eight of them. Like the red ones best.<br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1147811744.JPG">