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Posted By: ty_cobb 9-11 is a difficult day for collectors, our passion for cards can blind us to the important things in life. It is after all a materialistic pursuit.I spent part of yesterday fuming at being outbid on a T215 SGC 40 ($300!! nuts), and most of today fretting about my 1880 Dukes Heroes of the Civil War album possibly getting damaged in the mail (arrived today in perfect shape from Bob Coviello). I think I'll take a moment to say God bless and our hearts go out to all those families in NY missing a loved one today. I am reminded today of a real Hero who lost his life in one of the planes that crashed into the towers.He is on one of the first cards I ever owned as a boy, I think I was hooked on collecting forever as soon as I opened the pack. Its an OPC Bruins Ace Bailey. You'll be missed.

Posted By: Dave J9-11

Posted By: Dave JI share the same feelings. My neighbors lost a cousin and I too am reminded of the fact that there are more inportant things than losing a bid in an auction.

Posted By: Julie Vognarwhy should anyone hate us so much?

Posted By: Jaime LeidermanJulie, ENVY! ENVY! ENVY! Now that I´m living in a country with a wanna-be communist president, I can see how corrupt governments want to hide their failures telling the poorer how the US and Global Economics are responsible for the all the world problems... It´s not difficult to understand why guys like Saddam, Kaddafi, Fidel and even Venezuelan president Chavez are living like kings while poor people die every second for not eating a decent meal... My country has one of the biggest oil reserves in the world and the barrel is selling at recent highs, the president buys a new luxury jet for almost $85 million and we have to read about 100 people killed in the streets the same week. It´s too easy to make the US responsible for every problem in the globe, that´s it! The US should start buying oil from Norway and other "correct" countries and give Chavez and other arab nations a reason to stick their oil barrels in their a$$es.

Posted By: Jay MillerJaime--I traded oil for 16 years and trust me when I say that what you are proposing makes zero sense. First, the oil market is a global one. If the U.S. for some reason chose to not buy Venezuelan oil it would simply flow to another consuming country. The U.S. would be forced to supply its refineries from other sources which would involve less optimal crude streams and higher transportation costs. This would increase the prices of petroleum products in the U.S. and make those high pump prices even higher. That is the very reason that unilateral embargos don't work in the oil market. We boycott Libyan oil, but so what. It simply is sold to some other country and the impact on Libya is minimal.Besides, the Venezuelan state oil companies own several refineries in the U.S. and they don't need to "sell" the U.S. oil. They take it to their own refineries here, refine it, and sell the gasoline, heating oil and other derivative products themselves in the states.Besides, as the U.S. strives for security of supply, the only way to truely achieve that is through supply diversity. To eliminate any supplier makes minimal sense and to arbitrarily eliminate one of our geographically closest suppliers makes no sense.

Posted By: Jaime LeidermanJay, you are the oil expert so I have to trust your experience. Guess I´m tired of this a$$.... Chavez. Well, what more could I expect from a man that doesn´t consider 9-11 as a terrorist act!!! Venezuela has become the U.S. fourth oil provider after Chavez became president but the U.S. is still our number one buyer. Cuba is our second biggest customer and owes our country about $150 million, but we´re still sending barrels every day. I don´t know what´s more important: Higher pump prices or sending more money to terrorist allied countries. Instead of sharing part of oil money to help the poorer, our government prefers to help Spain´s ETA, Ireland IRA, Palestinian PLO, Colombian FARC and any communist political campaign over the world, like Nicaragua, Brasil and Argentina. Hope Elliot doesn´t use the delete button. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

Posted By: Jay MillerJaime--Don't get me wrong. I find people like this distasteful also. Unfortunately, much of the world's oil reserves ended up in less than ideal places. Go down the list: Iraq, Iran, Libya, Algeria, Saudi, Yemen, Nigeria, Syria, Angola, Congo. Obviously, we have to pick our fights carefully.

Posted By: jeff slook on the bright side, Jaime: Jay has taken some of this dirty oil money and converted it into Old Judges! Were he a leading collector of Venezualan issues, it would be another story <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

Posted By: Jay MillerHey Jeff, speaking of Old Judge cards did you ever get that group and would you consider trading the two I asked about?

Posted By: Jaime Leiderman<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Hope some governments do the same as Jay´s with their money! Hey!! Don´t forget to mention your grandsons about the only 19c Baseball collector in Venezuela... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>