Be Leery?
 

I've read a few threads and articles of now defunct grading companies.

So, how leery would you be of buying something like this?

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...der-csa-7pq-nm

Since it sold in 208 I wouldn't be too worried...

Seriously though there are three reputable grading companies, and even they screw up, why would you gamble on any of the goofy alphabet soup companies? If you put a gun to my head I MIGHT by a KSA card or a GAI card if I thought it was from their early days, ditto SCD (they're easier to tell, the color of the flip changed) otherwise you are flat out gambling. Are there legitimate cards in no name holders? I'm sure there are. Would I risk my money trying to pick them out, especially online? Nope.

Its this one that caught my eye. The # on the holder is close to the one from my 1st post....guessing it was from the same collector's set

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Frank-C...3D391118069989

Alan hagers brainchild...most definitely trimmed!

Actually Pete, Hager's grading company was ASA-- remember the old "Accu-grade" he trademarked? Now the "PQ" part of the grade, i.e. "premium quality" was his brainchild, and basically amounted to a half-grade bump.

Hager trademarked his grading system and sold licenses or dealerships that could use his system. I believe his holders were patented too--they were more rudimentary and uglier than the CSA slab linked in this thread. Anyway, I believe the CSA brand was a buyer of one of his licenses or dealerships, and was out of Ohio. The cards would often pass on crossovers, but were many times overgraded.

Oh, FWIW, I too think the first card linked looks like it could be trimmed, although the scan is somewhat small.

Yes be leery.

I would guess that, after 8+ years, the card would already be sitting in a PSA or SGC slab - if it could.

oh yes...u are correct!!!

Item is up to $330 with an hour left. People willing to roll the dice.