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T206 Ghosts Images.. show em!
In honor of the most insane ghost I have seen for sale in years.. I wanted to start a thread to explain the T206 ghosts... and to show some pics :)
There are many different types of Ghosts.. I would like to take a minute to help categorize them as myself and a few other error collectors error view them.. from top of the list would be the rarest and most valuable types.. down to the bottom which would be the most affordable types.. (and these too are in high demand and come with a significant premium) I would say that we could debate eye appeal on #1 vs #2.. but there are definitely more cards of #2 available then #1.
The clearer the ghost the higher the value.. and if the ghost is a HOFer.. the price will sky rocket :) Please share your thoughts on T206 ghosts .. and images.. if your lucky enough to have any! :) |
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Not a baseball card, but here is a 1948 Leaf football card with a Johnny Lujack image and an inverted ghost image of HOFer George Connor over it. The back is a George Connor back.
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I was going after the Merritt but it went a little too high for my budget. Here are a couple in my set.
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Jamie....
omg!~ those crawfowd images are insane! I will post mine later:eek:
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I want a ghost card :(
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this gives me "goose" bumps....
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weimer twin....
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this card means a lot to me
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and a hobby Icon....
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The "Bender"
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Was at a graduation party and missed out on this one a couple of weeks
ago (didn't pay attention to the afternoon ending time). More of an image shift than a ghost but still pretty cool. Hopefully a member got it. |
Pat....
it b me;) I won it for John D......:)
I am a sniper on these;) |
Glad it was you Johnny, now I don't feel bad about missing it. I thought it
went for a good price and was going to go quite a lot higher on it. Patrick |
The back of an Arndt T206.
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How about a few Obaks?
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Ghost
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i love this one...
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:)
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T204 Ghost
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Only one I have seen
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Jerry cool ghost. I have not seen that card before. Thanks for sharing. I love the ghosts with the name on the back. I forgot to mention this type in my list of categories.
Scott. Your correct. The Zimmerman is a ink shift. If say that Ink shifts and double exposures are similar in terms of value for ghosts. Depending on the severity of course. :) |
Awesome thread, amazing cards everyone!!
Sincerely, Clayton |
Johnny V did win that card for me, but what he left out is the fact that I was the person he sniped to win the card. All's well that ends well, because I have the card now and ended up trading for it, so no money out of pocket for me :)
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My special ghost/shift card
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Waz...
A beauty! how you been?:)
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My friend Johnny! Long time no talk! I miss you man. I'm doing well, how about yourself?
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Jamie,
Congrats of your Goodwin wins of that Merritt overprint. Very neat!!! HS |
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This Always HaS Been One of my FaVoRite Area's of the Hobby!
I find it Really Cool how these beauties went out the door, Either in someone's pocket, the trash or in a pack of Tobacco, etc... |
Love looking at all these.
Is there any specific reason why the T206 had a lot of color shifts/misprints/ghost prints? Was it just such a massive set that there wasn't really a good quality control? |
mountaineer....
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These are the coolest of the T206!(imho).....they are all I pretty much collect exclusively, but are extremely expensive now.....printer's scraps were never meant to make it into circulation......these were sheets used by the printer in 1909-1911 to set up the presses.....they used "mistake" or "scrap" sheets that were discarded......these sheets were utilized to see if there was enough ink in the ink wells, make sure the sheets were aligned correctly, oriented the sheets on the presses right way , ect, ect.....the printer would use the "scrap" sheets multiple times to set up the presses as not to waste any clean, good sheets...that's how a lot of the "overprint" ghosts were born like bender and merritt.......
in turn, the "scrap" sheets used to set up the presses were discarded....thrown in the scrap heap, on the floor, in the garbage, ect.....the printers, workers, or whomever recovered the sheets from the scrap heap or garbage pile took them home....btw....no known full sheets of t206 are known to exist, and there are many mysteries of the printing of t206 still to this day....that's why the printers scraps and factory cut print/ freak errors are so heralded today....they give insight into the mysteries of the printing, and are actual "puzzle " pieces if you will....these cards never made it into packs.....true print scrap are all hand cut and not factory issued at some point, the multiple sheets that were recovered were hand cut.....no one knows exactly who kept the sheets or who cut the cards out.....(was prob many different individuals over the years ....kids...collectors....employees....designers... .ect...)...it obviously happened over the 3 year span the cards were printed in nyc at the building which still stands today(I forgot the addy, but many know it here)....the cards could have been cut years later....some were prob cut back in 1909-1911 when the cards were produced....ir maybe years later....who knows:confused:....all I know is by accident, these rarities were created and are "freakishly" cool......the more dramatic or "weird" the better..... the printers in advertently "created" T206 "freak" cards which are now cherished today by collectors, and the market is still young....not too long ago, collectors thought of these as "trash"..... you could pick one up for a few hundred dollars.....now add a few zeros to that! collectors have realized how really rare and cool these things are! it becomes a treasure hunt in a sense....everyone wants a unique piece to put in their T206 set....especially when they collect the whole set......etc... some very very rare scraps were not "mistakes"....they are examples we see used in the design phase/development of T206(T206 proofs...wagner strip..some scrap that I own that are "pre"proofs" I have been told but not confirmed yet)..... I have become the biggest advocate over the last 15 years or so for these "beauties" as I call them.....each one is COOL....unique unto themselves.....super rare....one of a kinds.....alternative T206.... The mysteries of the set ARE STILL BEING DISCOVERED TODAY! each day, we almost learn something new about the set....there are many scholars of the set who post here....a lot of us are regular guys like myself...(I'm just obsessed with the set:o)..... I started collecting these in '99 (T206).......within the first year, I found my first "scrap" by accident....I had interest in the "factory cut mistakes "at first( 2 name t206, off register, miscut backs ect)..because they were different in an alternative way....but they were issued and put into the packs.....they were cool errors, don't get me wrong, but I needed more.....then I found a miscut back with 2 sovereign backs showing, the card looked "weird" cause it wasn't an ordinary 2 back factory cut card.(I will try to find the scan)...the card was hand cut and "wavy" the borders looked weird.....then when I inspected closer, the front image of (butler) had a color shift.....then even closer inspection, the back has a overprint of another sovereign back! MY FIRST scrap!!! I discovered it back then in 2000 or so...I called my friend (JOHN DREKER) to come over my house and take a looksy....he confirmed my suspicions......my first scrap acquisition! it was like hitting the lottery ! a hidden gem amongst the sea of T206....it was over and I was hooked.....It has been a labor of love.....if you try hard enough, you can find one hidden on ebay or in a lot of cards....it happens today even! like new discoveries.... Check out T206resource.com (operated by 2 board members and contributed to by many here:D)..... also, read the article written by board member scott forrest about printers scrap....located on that site...... PHEW!!!:) for you new one to the mayham:)....this has become one of my favorite cards.... a true NO NAME Chance port Piedmont back....Cycle overprint front ghost with a reverse front cylinder impression....this card is one of the centerpieces of my collection.....:)....this sheet prob never had the name or team des. printed on the sheet(the measurements on the bottom have plenty of room with no paper loss).......the sheet was prob a mistake at first, then discarded on the side....at some point, the pressman prob picked this discarded sheet without names or team design. printed on it, then set the press up for the cycle print run next......sorry about the crumby pics(I have large raw scans if anyone wants to email me)... enjoy... |
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Erick....hound dawg! Waz!
great to see you guys posting:)
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mrvester,
thank you for the response you left me. It was highly informative and the type of posts I just love since it is full of history and knowledge. These ghosts images and miscuts/misprints/etc are truly one of a kind and awesome. Here is my question... If these ghosts images are due to trying to get the pressing correctly, wouldn't every card in the set have a ghost image that corresponds with it? Also, was the printing plates destroyed or has the community been able to find one? |
Great question Dustin!
I love to share the info.....if I am wrong, a member will correct me....but a lot of this is theory....
unfortunately , no sheets survived....no press plates......actually, very little can be found :eek:.....we are all trying to find this out:confused:.....the only clues we have are these printer's scraps.....part of the intrigue.....you can be part of the historian..... many ghosts/ images/ garbage sheets were created.....most never survived..:eek:..they were considered garbage. back then, now we treasure them(how ironic:))..... it's like treasure hunting.... |
Dustin....
this is the beauty of this set.....some of us here are rich....some poor....some in between....
we share one common love.....vintage memorabilia ... in my case....between to poor and addicted to T206:):o!!lol... you don't have to be rich to enjoy collecting the cards or the history.....and you can enjoy learning and discovering items about them everyday:) |
'If you have ghosts, then you have everything...'
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Some neat cards on this old thread, any more?
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Really cool Shaw!!!
I Picked up this Anderson reverse ghost not too long ago, not the best scan. |
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Those are nice. This one arrived today. Knight on front and back...
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Ghost
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I used to own this ghost but sold it a while ago to a Net 54 menber
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