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frankbmd 06-08-2018 08:36 PM

Records That Can Be Broken
 
Some records are safe. Who would argue that 511 wins by Mr. Young will be topped?

Other records, theoretically at least, are well within reach, but unlikely.

Letís consider records that are not secure. Post a record for consideration or merely comment on one that has been mentioned.

Iíll kick things off with men left on base in a 9 inning game by one team. The maximum possible is 27, but what is the record. From 1919 to 2018 this dubious and meaningless record is held by the Cubs, who left 17 men on base in a game in 2011.

Once we have a couple of dozen choices, we can all sit back and see whose record is broken first. :D

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2018 09:00 PM

If there is any WAR record Mike Trout does not already own, he will break it very soon.

pokerplyr80 06-08-2018 09:00 PM

The Yankees might break the record of 264 home runs by a team set by the Mariners in 1997. And even if they don't, it seems like one that will be broke at some point.

BleedinBlue 06-08-2018 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1784953)
Some records are safe. Who would argue that 511 wins by Mr. Young will be topped?

Other records, theoretically at least, are well within reach, but unlikely.

Letís consider records that are not secure. Post a record for consideration or merely comment on one that has been mentioned.

Iíll kick things off with men left on base in a 9 inning game by one team. The maximum possible is 27, but what is the record. From 1919 to 2018 this dubious and meaningless record is held by the Cubs, who left 17 men on base in a game in 2011.

Once we have a couple of dozen choices, we can all sit back and see whose record is broken first. :D

The Dodgers left 8 on in the first 3 innings the other night and I started wondering what the 9 inning record was.

My safe nomination: Mark Reynolds struck out 223 times in 2009. Joey Gallo May break that record this season. Currently at 90 through 65 games. On pace for 224.

Bigdaddy 06-08-2018 10:06 PM

With the way guys are swinging and missing this season, I'd say most strikeout records are within reach - both on the good side (pitchers) and on the bad (hitters). I'd say the only one that is beyond reach is Ryan's career mark of 5714 Ks.

Fred 06-08-2018 11:34 PM

Single season K record by a batter.

oldjudge 06-09-2018 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedinBlue (Post 1784971)
The Dodgers left 8 on in the first 3 innings the other night and I started wondering what the 9 inning record was.

My safe nomination: Mark Reynolds struck out 223 times in 2009. Joey Gallo May break that record this season. Currently at 90 through 65 games. On pace for 224.


Don’t anoint Gallo yet. Aaron Judge has 85 strikeouts through 59 games, which equates to 233 over a season. If he stays healthy he will blow Gallo away.

iwantitiwinit 06-09-2018 05:35 AM

The hapless Mets could possibly set a team record for least wins in a single year for the combined months of May thru September (they may already hold the MLB existing record for a 162 game season). After starting 17-8 in April they are 10-25 since and are declining quickly, they look futile. In '62 they had 37 wins from May thru the end of September. They currently have 102 games left and considering their 10 wins since May 1st they would have to go 26-76 to do more poorly than the total of 37 they had for that period in 1962. It's doable. They stink.

The Yanks on the other hand are 23-8 since and including May 1st.

What a contrast in franchises.

Sorry to say even with that great ballpark I couldn't get a customer to go to a Mets game if I wrapped the ticket in a $100 bill.

barrysloate 06-09-2018 06:22 AM

It seems like all the possible records for batters striking out will be broken in the coming years, and many by a wide margin. I remember Bobby Bonds record of 189 strikeouts in a season lasted for decades. Is he even in the top 50 anymore? I don't even know.

BleedinBlue 06-09-2018 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy (Post 1784980)
With the way guys are swinging and missing this season, I'd say most strikeout records are within reach - both on the good side (pitchers) and on the bad (hitters). I'd say the only one that is beyond reach is Ryan's career mark of 5714 Ks.

Pitchers donít throw enough innings anymore to challenge the career strike out or single season strikeout records. Strikeouts/9 or strikeouts in a game are well within reach though.

clydepepper 06-09-2018 07:04 AM

Three records that WILL be broken:

Most ABs in a single season without a sacrifice.


Most ABs in a career without a sacrifice.


Most career starts - as a pitcher - without a single complete game.



and a related record that WILL NOT be broken:

Most career starts - as a pitcher - without a relief appearance - currently held by Tom Glavine with 682.

ValKehl 06-09-2018 07:34 AM

Walter Johnson's career record of 110 shutouts. Whoops, I just realized that the OP is looking for records that CAN be broken. I suppose almost any record can be broken, but this WaJo record won't be.

ruth_rookie 06-09-2018 02:16 PM

Three records that wonít be broken IMHO:

DiMaggioís 56 game hitting streak
Ryanís career strikeout total
Ryanís 7 no hitters. Most pitchers donít even get one in their entire career. Can you imagine 7?!!

PowderedH2O 06-09-2018 02:36 PM

Career saves. If an ace reliever were to be identified at a fairly young age (25?) and pitched for a consistent top level team for many years racking up 40-50 saves per year, I could see Kimbrel challenging if he stays the same level for 8-10 more seasons.

Misunderestimated 06-10-2018 07:36 PM

Single-season WAR is in play thanks to Mike Trout who appears to be a multi-talented "WARmachine". Also, his new teammate Ohtani is challenging single season-hitting/pitching records (home runs and wins and pitching and offensive WAR combined marks).
Single-season Saves might be a possibility -- but managers are increasingly scared to wear down closers so it could be tough even for the best closers on the best teams.
Career marks that seem imperiled based on the current game include batters Strikeouts (although it would take a long career even from Aaron Judge)
Career strikeout rate hitters and (maybe) pitchers. Career saves is not inconceivable if someone can stay strong for a long time (which is very hard in the closer business) because of the high usage of closers
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ALSO Any records that have to do with MONEY -- career earnings, single-season salary etc.. Bryce Harper, Kershaw and Trout are all Free Agents soon their salaries may make ARODs salaries look small.

David W 06-11-2018 02:48 PM

Relief pitcher stats could easily be broken. As mentioned earlier career saves, single season saves, most games pitched in a season/career.

Also fielding stats such as put outs, fielding % will always be broken as fields are immaculately groomed and glove technology is amazing.

Leon 06-12-2018 03:54 PM

Strikeouts. Finally, something I can excel at.

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Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 1785018)
It seems like all the possible records for batters striking out will be broken in the coming years, and many by a wide margin. I remember Bobby Bonds record of 189 strikeouts in a season lasted for decades. Is he even in the top 50 anymore? I don't even know.


steve B 06-12-2018 04:22 PM

Is there a record for most pitches swung at without making contact? And if so, how do I get signed?
I'm pretty sure I could set that one easily.

Tabe 06-12-2018 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Misunderestimated (Post 1785550)
Single-season WAR is in play thanks to Mike Trout who appears to be a multi-talented "WARmachine".

Considering the record for WAR is 20.2 and Trout's best is 10.5...

Of course, that's unfair. The 20.2 was by Tim Keefe in 1883. If we go with hitters, the record is 14.1 in 1923* by Babe Ruth. That's still 3.6 better than Trout's best. I'd say that record is safe.

* - The fact that 1923 is Ruth's highest WAR total just shows you how dumb/wrong WAR can be at times. No one in their right mind thinks 1923 was his best year. Most would say 1921. Or 1927. Or 1920. But 1923? No. Yet WAR says it was his "best".

pbspelly 06-13-2018 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ruth_rookie (Post 1785140)
Three records that wonít be broken IMHO:

DiMaggioís 56 game hitting streak
Ryanís career strikeout total
Ryanís 7 no hitters. Most pitchers donít even get one in their entire career. Can you imagine 7?!!

Interesting because I would think these, except perhaps DiMaggio's, are more likely to be broken now than a lot of other records. Records tend to be broken when the way the game is played changes. Strikeouts are much much more common now than they once were, both for pitchers and hitters, due to reassessments of their value/detriment. For batters, the current view is that you are better off swinging hard and with an uppercut even if you strike out more. Whereas for pitchers, the current thinking is that all pitchers are equal once the ball is put in play, and so the best measurement of a pitcher's value is his strikeouts. So if you can't throw mid-90s they don't even want to scout you. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this thinking, and I do think it makes the game boring at times, but that is the current thinking. And that thinking lends itself to strikeouts and no-hitters. Scherzer, for instance, seems to flirt with a no-hitter ever time he's out there. The counter to this is that the current thinking is that pitchers shouldn't throw more than 120 pitches a game, or pitch more than every fifth day, which could make it harder to break those records. But there's still a chance. The records that will almost certainly never be broken are those for which changes in the game have completely put them out of reach. For instance, in the deadball era, parks were big, bumpy, and often in weird configurations, and players were playing with tiny gloves. That, and the fact that no one was hitting home runs, led to a lot of triples. Sam Crawford holds the record with 309 career. You are never going to see that broken in modern parks with the kind of fielding we have today. The current active leader is Jose Reyes with 128, and you can bet he's a lot faster than Crawford was. But the game is just different.

1952boyntoncollector 06-13-2018 07:51 AM

There are a lot of them from the Village People and Devo that can be broken

iwantitiwinit 06-13-2018 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 1786214)
There are a lot of them from the Village People and Devo that can be broken

Don't disrespect D E V O

Baseball Rarities 06-13-2018 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabe (Post 1786125)
If we go with hitters, the record is 14.1 in 1923* by Babe Ruth. That's still 3.6 better than Trout's best. I'd say that record is safe.

I am not a huge fan of WAR either, but Trout currently has a 6.0 WAR and is on pace for 14.5 for the year.

bbcard1 06-13-2018 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ruth_rookie (Post 1785140)
Three records that wonít be broken IMHO:

DiMaggioís 56 game hitting streak

Here's one of the things I'll wonder...after his 56 game streak was broken, he immediately went on another streak of 35 game or so. If the streak were 85-90 games, would we see streaks of 50 games routinely?

Tabe 06-13-2018 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities (Post 1786293)
I am not a huge fan of WAR either, but Trout currently has a 6.0 WAR and is on pace for 14.5 for the year.

Fair point. I didn't do the math on the current season. Doubt he keeps it up but, hey, awesome if he does. WAR loves Trout, that's for sure.


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