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A terrific young talent gone too soon. Prayers to his family....

Can't believe it. He was the most exciting young pitcher to watch. He may have had the nastiest raw stuff I've ever witnessed. What a horrible loss to the game. Prayers to his family and the Marlins.

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im stunned

This is as stunning as it gets. R.I.P.

We lost somebody who could've been a Hall of Famer.

A truly great young player, joyful personality, and particularly beloved by the Cuban-American citizens of Miami. He risked his life to defect to this country. I feel terrible for his family, those close to him, his teammates, the citizens of Miami, and all Marlins fans. A tremendous loss. RIP

Awful awful awful. And was about to become a father. So tragic.

Gutted. RIP.

Hard to fathom...rest in peace Jose.
What a undeniable tragedy:(

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Jailed twice at the age of fifteen for trying to flee Cuba. Baby on the way. Fascinating life. Big tragedy.

I think others on the boat lost their life as well according to the NYT story I read. Very sad.

sad and unfortunate. one of the best young pitchers in the game, with so much still to look forward to.

Wow, I'm at a loss for words. This is so heartbreaking. The kid had so much passion and love for the game and off the field.

wow.... man, really tough blow for the Marlins and his family. One of the best arms in MLB gone at 24..... eesh :(

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and I know probably not the time to question this, but have to....anyone know why his start today was pushed back to tomorrow (Monday).

Had it not, you wonder if he's out at 3 a.m. the night b4 a start.

First thing I thought of, which shows my vintage baseball mind, is Charlie Ferguson passing away after the 1887 season. He was also 24 when he pitched his last game. A superstar in the making with 99 career wins already, plus he batted .337 and drove in 85 runs his last year, taking turns in the infield when he wasn't on the mound. A budding superstar at the time and possibly a future Hall of Famer. I don't think Ferguson's Old Judge card prices really reflect the tragedy of his passing from typhoid fever.

(I have one of his cards, but no scan, so here's a random one I found of Google)

they were in the wildcard hunt and played the mets mon , they were hoping his start could allow them to pick up a a whole win towards the WC rather than a 50/50 shot of half a win by starting against the braves and then hoping the mets lost too.

but yeah, I doubt he's out late with a noon start today.... but that's life

What a great pitcher who was already experienced MLBer at 24. I would watch him pitch when ever I could on my MLB subscription. A huge loss to MLB. Prayers to his family and friends. RIP Jose.

Lost for words. Unbelievable tragedy. He seemed to bring so much joy to the game when he pitched. Prayers to family and friends.

Rip so young this is very sad

Just came in from work and saw the news. 24 is far too young no matter your profession, but I will say this. Almost more than any other young athlete, I honestly enjoyed watching him pitch. I'll tune into games because of the matchup. I'll tune into games because of the rivalries. I'll tune into games simply because they are on. I thoroughly enjoy the sport of baseball and I thoroughly enjoyed tuning into games specifically to watch him pitch. His ability was mesmerizing. There are great pitchers coast to coast, and several are arguably better than him, but strictly from the prospective of watching a person take the mound and try to hurl a baseball past another man - there was no current player I took more joy in watching than Jose.

I'm still shocked. I was a huge fan. Jose played the game the right way, and his enthusiasm was infectious. As far as pitchers go, he was a beast! I agree, some of the nastiest stuff I've ever seen. To come back from Tommy John the way he did this season....man, I just can't believe it.

This is a terrible, terrible loss for baseball. My heart goes out to his family, and the Marlins fans & organization.

I was just going to send this in for grading, too. :(

http://net54baseball.com/picture.php...ictureid=15150

Rest in Peace, Jose.

Two young men I thought were going to be absolute superstars gone so young, and in such close proximity. I'm still not over Oscar Taveras' tragic death. Now this.

Hug your loved ones close tonight, folks. Nothing is guaranteed. Life is a gift, and it can be over in the blink of an eye.

Jose
 

I rarely post here (hi, everyone)... watch the first five minutes of this clip... grab some tissues to soak up those tears. Such a painful loss. I wish more professional athletes were like Jose, across all sports. Imagine losing your childhood hero today. That's what just happened to too many young fans. I can't wait to hug my grandmother again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5JW7fcf1qg

Just tragic. Couldn't help but think of another NL Rookie of the Year who left us way too early.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/f...to-glow-021314

wow - prayers to his family as well as the 2 others who were killed. very sad day for the mlb as it just lost a good guy and a great talent.

Jofer's tragic passing reminds me of Lyman Bostock . He also died towards the end of his fourth season ending what was a promising career. RIP Jofer.

All Marlins players will be wearing #16 tonight

My God, Jose and Arnie, both passing within 24 hours of each other. One a long and fulfilled life and the other just starting after early years filled with peril. This is a "Black Monday" for sure. Living in South Florida as I do, the shock here is palatable. The Marlins are in the race for a wild card slot and fans thought Jose was going to get them there. And I never thought I would see Don Mattingly cry. He showed he is as human as anybody.

Devastating.

Any word on why he was in a boat in the middle of the night?

As Bad as This News Has Been...
 

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Yeah, though all of the facts aren't out yet, there was clearly a series of poor decisions made. It takes hitting a jetty at one hell of a speed for your boat to end up looking like that.

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I am leery of boats under the best of circumstances. The idea of being on a boat in the dark going high speed would be beyond terrifying.

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Whats sad as well is his estate will be sued by both the estates of the the other passengers in his boat if Jose was driving the boat, or if Jose wasn't driving, his estate will be sued by the passenger that was not driving as Jose was the owner of the boat..

You will hear about these lawsuits once the dust settles...

That's the American way. I was reading about the NJ transit crash this morning. By standers assisted a woman who had her legs pinned between cars. I don't know if I would do the same thing after reading about another woman who sued a good Samaritan for pulling her from her burning car. She was paralyzed as a result of her accident and then sued her rescuer for moving her. Sometimes I think this world wasn't meant for me.

Im sure she sued someone else with the rescuer with a deep pocket like the governmental agency/company/insurance company. I doubt the goal was to collect from the rescuer personally.

If there was alcohol in the system of Jose Fernandez or one of the drivers, the damages could easily exceed the 6 million in earnings he made...

No she specifically sued the person who pulled her from her burning car and said it was their fault she was paralyzed. Even worse, it was her own friend. Read for yourself:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6498405&page=1

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Article still doesnt address insurance or anyone else being sued. Its possible the victim may be suing her auto insurance for example but you would also have to name the rescuer in the lawsuit. If you knew case style, like whats the name of the case in court that could shed light on that issue

Funny i just finished the message and a quick google search proves my point..

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/H...ns-5687227.php

The lawsuit is only going forward because there is potential auto insurance out there to pay a judgment that can be in the millions of dollars. (one carrier paid 4 million) If the only pocket was the rescuer there almost certainly would be no lawsuit.

I dont blame someone who is paralyzed to sue a rescuer when insurance covers the incident and no money comes out of the rescuer.


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I'm without words..... Wow

...exactly why ambulance chasers have such a stellar reputation with the public.

Injury law is sketchy as can be.

Only surpassed by the firms that throw massive class actions out there so they can pocket millions and mail a tidy check for 55 cents to 60 thousand people.

Me too!....SMH

Mylan Hicks - 1993 - 2016
 

Up here in Canada, we also mourned on Sunday for a young Practice Roster player named Mylan Hicks. He played at Michigan State, tried out for the 49ers, and ended up here in Calgary.

By all accounts, an absolutely stand up guy. 23 years old, good student, and in the wrong place at the wrong time on Saturday night.

http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/col...ut-mylan-hicks

The story is he actually ended up buying a drink for the punk who eventually shot him, trying to calm things down in the club. Originally from Detroit, apparently his mother was quite glad to have her son come to Canada where he would be safer. It's just sad to see someone who comes to our country in pursuit of a dream, and just ends up paying the worst price.

http://calgaryherald.com/sports/foot...ate-university

I'm pretty sure most of you don't get much news on our little league up here, but they're athletes just trying to make a living.

jose fernandez being sued soon like i said
 

Here comes the lawsuit soon. One of the the 'friends' of jose had never driven a boat and only met him once before so its unlikely he drove. If there is evidence and a verdict that Jose caused the death of 2 people, this could impact his legacy. If you were the family of a someone who died based on the actions of a celebrity, i would think you would be upset every time you saw that celebrity being honored as it would bring up memories of a tragedy.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/1...et-lawyer.html


We are a long way away in terms of proof and such, but if there is significant evidence that Jose killed two people would you still name a high school or some type of school after Jose Fernandez for all he has done in miami community.

Yes

If you were the parents of the other 2 victims on that boat and they were against naming a school after him they may beg to differ

In addition thus far the bad driving actions may be a result of being a fight with a girlfriend and worse yet maybe alcohol involved


Basically if Roberto Clemente was operating the plane in 1973 and the crash killed 2 passengers and was as a result of pilot error, i dont think his legacy would even be one half of what it is today.

I don't think that's true. Processing a death is not as black and white as you're making it out to be. There are many emotions that trump blame when it comes to the early death of a beloved person in the community.

This is all premature, and indeed the lawyer said he is awaiting the results of the investigation. At this point there is no basis even to speculate.

right, thats why i said

"We are a long way away in terms of proof and such, but if there is significant evidence....."

i do think it is also premature to celebrate the guy (ie. name schools after him) given that theres at least a chance right now he is responsible for killing two people.

He is beloved in the community as was stated in this thread, i just think the beloved level may go down depending the results of the wrongful death case etc

Sooooo.... Thurman Munson?

munson did not kill anyone other than himself, now Oscar Taveres killied someone likely while being drunk but since the accident did not occur in the united states, there were no lawsuits here which would of impacted his legacy more. I just find it hard to honor anyone that is responsible for killing someone no matter their exploits on the playing field.

I think you're losing sight of what's important. The things Fernandez did for children and people in his community don't get erased because of the circumstances of his death. Naming something after him for his charity work or work within his communities is not a vote of support for any type of behavior you're insinuating contributed to his death or the deaths of the people on the boat. We name our schools after much worse people.

I havent seen any schools named after someone whos last act in life was killing someone and being completely at fault (correct me if i am wrong). You can kill someone a year earlier or some other time earlier, i guess but if its your last act you do in life, its a tough pill to swallow, especially for the family of the victims.

There could be a 20 million dollar judgment against Jose Fernandez that is pending as his heirs try to hide money from the plaintiffs going on while they are naming schools after him. Good grief.

Again its too early to tell fault but thats true about a lot of things.

Accidents happen. If you want to focus on the last 20 seconds of a man's life while others focus on the remaining 24 years, then that is your right.

The only thing separating Thurman Munson and Jose Fernandez is a little bit of dumb luck. Munson seriously injured two passengers and could very well have killed them - yet no one complains about the literal monument dedicated to him at Yankee Stadium. Most of us see the good in people, and virtually everyone can agree, Jose Fernandez was one of our best.

Agree with this.

luck impacts a legacy no doubt if those passengers with Munson did DIE, that would of impacted his legacy. 5 seconds in a persons life can change it forever even if that person lived a great life for 80 years. What you did in those last 20 seconds of your life usually doesnt impact the view of the persons whole life unless something huge happened like killing 2 people.

accidents do happen but they are preventable as well. You have to be responsible for your actions. Some drunk (not saying this is the case) can also cause an accident but you would not tolerate that person saying 'accidents happen' Saying 'accidents happen' does not relieve you of responsibility. What if you killed 20 kids and it was entirely at fault. So if killing 2 adults in the last seconds in your life isnt enough to prevent your name on a school how about 10 people? how about 30 people? To me every life is valuable, if its not good to kill 30 people then its not good to kill 1.

History tends to judge people on what they did at the worse which is probably less than .0001% of what they did the rest of their life thats how it goes.

We all have the lowest moments in our lives, the key during that time is not to be killed or kill someone. What is sad is killing someone is the only thing that is unforgivable because you cant ask for forgiveness from someone you killed.

History is forgiving of accidents. They do not represent a person at their worst, they represent a person as a human being. It is especially callous to judge a person by the mistake that cost him his life.

Well here we go with luck again. If the person didnt die that caused the accident, but 2 people died, then it would not be especially callous for history to judge that person. The fact of whether that person lived or died should not factor into that equation if there are 2 other victims that died because of that person's actions. I still have not heard of an example of someone in history that been forgiven for killing an innocent person as their final act to a point where they would name a school after them.

I know donte stallworth paid a large sum of money for killing someone in miami and he has made it a point in his life to be a good person and expand his knowledge etc. However he has said on the radio that he paid the family even though he could of won in court or something to that effect so maybe he was not civilly at fault and it wasnt his last act in his life.

Laura Bush killed a 17 year old boy and has several schools, libraries and scholarships named after her.

Howard Hughes killed a woman and was given the Congressional Gold Medal three years later he also has a school named after him.

Ted Kennedy also killed someone. He has an honorary Knighthood, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and a cancer research institute named after him.

Matthew Broderick killed two people and still gets movies.

There are also countless local teachers, students and athletes who die in car crashes every year who are honored posthumously with scholarships named after them. It is something very few people (except perhaps you) take issue with.

Agree. Let's judge someone for the full measure of their life and not by the worst 60 seconds of it. There is a difference between negligent and evil (e.g., OJ Simpson, Mel Hall, the football player who went around the country date raping women, etc.) I am sure all of us have done very very stupid things in our lives. Like driving home after a few too many drinks. There by the grace of God go I (or something like that. Need to ask my mother on the exact wording.)

Nathan Bedford Forrest and William Saunders were both leaders of the Klan and had public institutions named after them. Carolina Hall at UNC was Saunders Hall until only last year. Forrest still has schools named after him, along with parks, roads, playgrounds, etc.

There but for the grace of God...

Laura Bush was barely 17 and a minor and zero drinking involved and of course wasnt the last act she had on the earth. If it was a 17 year old baseball player involved in a similar accident there would also be more understanding

Ted Kennedy issue was a major scandal but he is a political elite which meant even more in the 1960s then today. Again he didnt die in that accident. If he did he would not have had all those extra years of public service. His legacy would of been far different if he didnt have a chance to tell the world what he said happened in the accident etc.

You got me on Broderick though, you make a good point with him, though he didnt die in the accident.. However its one thing to be in movies and another to be have public schools named after you. Afterall he is an actor, and i along with everyone else would not care of jose fernandez survived the accident and continued to play baseball which is is livelihood. Lots of players have been involved in killings with much more intent than a car accident and continued to play.

Its one thing to play ball and another to be considered national hero.

All of those teachers/students/athetes who die in car accidents and have scholarships named after them more likely than not did not kill anyone else let alone 2 people.


I know i was very saddened to hear about the loss of Jose Fernandez. Its an immense loss all around.

Then stop talking about this other BS.

And don't forget about the eponymous, freaky character Tom Hanks won an Oscar for playing.

Tom Hanks played a character named Tom Hanks???

Tom Hanks played the eponymous protagonist of the movie 'Forrest Gump.' Does that clear it up for you???????

Not to get into a semantics argument but if Tom Hanks played an eponymous protagonist he played a protagonist named Tom Hanks.

If a school was named after Nathan Bedford Forrest it is an eponymous school. The name has to be the same.

You could say that Nathan Bedford Forrest had an eponymous character in a Tom Hanks movie, and if you weren't being too picky about only having one name in common I'd sorta buy that, but by that logic Forrest Gregg was closer to having an eponymous character in the movie, and Gump played football!

I dont think it is BS at all. Some will agree and some will differ. Im sure the family of the victims would be upset with you calling my comments BS.

I do think the end game for miami is to basically blame at least comparatively the jetty/pier and to put money into making the jetty more visible to save future lives and honor jose that way. I dont think anyone would object to that plus it puts less fault on whoever was driving the boat.

I don't think the families would care one bit about any comments you or I made about the situation.

I think they would care one way or the other right now. To say someone who lost a family member wouldnt care is a pretty blanket statement in a vacuum. A lawyer was hired for a reason as well, the issues around this accident are still ongoing.

I would assume they would care and have a say about what honors jose fernandez would get and would care about people comments in support of his honors or against those honors. As facts come out from the accident it may impact how they care.

I know i review what i post here with the eyes of what families of the victims may see here whether they see the comments or not.

You sure about that?
http://www.listal.com/list/eponymous-movie-titles

Anything named after someone is not eponymous. I would say that site is using it wrong. Especially considering that those titles are largely fictional characters not named after anyone.


adjective
1.
giving one's name to a tribe, place, etc.:
Romulus, the eponymous founder of Rome.