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Posted By: <b>Dan Mathewson</b><p>Who are these guys? IKON...?<BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865706482" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865706482</a><BR><BR>Never seen them before.

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Posted By: <b>John(z28jd)</b><p>Thats a nice picture of Christy batting,he looks a little different in the pic tho? $5 buy it now,wonder how much it cost to get it graded,including shipping if they sent it out and if this guy actually paid for it to get graded i cant imagine him being much of a business man,especially if you look at his sellers list which includes a ton of high grade low BIN cards

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Posted By: <b>Mike Williams</b><p>that this individual is selling a ton of "IKON Grading Service" cards, yet these folks (IKON) are nowhere to be found on the Net (I couldn't find them via Google).<BR><BR>Hey....maybe this is a scam....using eBay as an outlet to unload crap....naw, can't be!<BR><BR>Maybe I'll email the seller to find out exactly how one submits a card to IKON....more later!

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Posted By: <b>John(z28jd)</b><p>also note that IKON sounds a lot like "i con" coincidence?<BR><BR>we should all write him and tell him we would like more info on the IKON company,see if the address is the same as his or close to it

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Posted By: <b>Mike Williams</b><p>so I email this seller through eBay's "ask the seller a question" option and I get a message back telling me the seller is currently having email problems. Giving him the benefit of the doubt (nice feedback and thinking maybe the problem is with eBay's servers), I emailed the seller the old fashion way....more later. <BR><BR>PS - In looking at the sellers previous auctions, a company called I.G.S. was also used to grade. Other than the International Gem Society (not kidding!) anyone ever hear of them????

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Posted By: <b>Dan Mathewson</b><p>...IKON cannot be found. His e-mail "doesn't work"...<BR>And the acronym of "I'll get scr**ed" is I.G.S.<BR><BR>Hmmmmmm....the implications become more than coincidental...and, you did bring up a great point: $5 BIN for a card and slabbing that (after slabbing costs and shipping fees per card) is usually at least $10/card, or thereabouts. What is the purpose here? It's a loser at the bottom line for the seller...<BR><BR>Also, "vintagesportspro" is really increasing the amount of AAA graded garbage he's releasing on eBay. He must be an uncle of huff-roy, mediumrareRubbish and libertyforNobody. (some of his shat is actually selling, too, what a shame...)

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>But you will occasionally see legitimate sellers willing to list graded cards below what you believe was their cost. I have done it myself. Usually it is one of a few reasons:<BR><BR>1. I am trying to get some "action" on the card and am willing to bet that if people can be drawn to a low bid to open, they will run the card a bit. Most of the time this works, occasionally I get stuck handing out a bargain;<BR><BR>2. I bought a card for resale that I though would grade out nicely, got a crappy grade from SGC, and am simply trying to unload my disappointment and recoup what I can; <BR><BR>3. I decided to try to blow the item out on ebay rather than sell it to another dealer at a discount; as long as I am going to take a hit, I might at least try to retail it in the hope that someone would see it and run it up a little; or <BR><BR>4. I got the card graded via a freebie or make-good grade. At one point, PSA gave out a free grade for each card it did not grade on time. I had around 100 cards graded late and forced PSA to grant me a credit for every last one of them. Some of the cards I had graded were really nice looking but lower priced cards. My effective cost of grading those cards was around a buck each (for postage). I still have some and when I sell them, I can afford to sell them at or below the grading price since they were graded for almost nothing and may have been pack pulls or items received in lots that I have already gotten my investment out of. BTW, other services will issue a make-good to you if they mess up and you piss and moan enough about it.

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Posted By: <b>Albie O'Hanian</b><p>Dealers also will send in huge lots of cards and take losses on the "8's" because they make enough of a profit on the "10's" to allow them to give away the "8's"