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thetruthisoutthere 05-23-2012 06:04 PM

SCD Scott Tappa Tom Bartsch Sports Collectors Digest
 
I was hoping to hear from either Scott Tappa or Tom Bartsch from SCD after I emailed them yesterday.

Although I am disappointed that I didn't hear from them, I am certainly not surprised. I guess they are still mad at me for my criticism (my YouTube videos) of both TS O'Connell and SCD when Coach's Corner was still advertising their garbage in SCD.

And now SCD allows a full-page ad from CSC Collectibles. Some things never change.

RichardSimon 05-23-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere (Post 996544)
Does Chris Morales own a database of exemplars? If he does, I'd love to see his Mickey Mantle exemplars.

Does Chris Morales have a rejection folder? Has Chris Morales ever rejected an autograph that he's been paid to examine?


Does Chris Morales actually use the Stereo Microscope that he shows on his website?

Does he have a court recognized exemplar file?

RichardSimon 05-23-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere (Post 996557)
I was hoping to hear from either Scott Tappa or Tom Bartsch from SCD after I emailed them yesterday.

Although I am disappointed that I didn't hear from them, I am certainly not surprised. I guess they are still mad at me for my criticism (my YouTube videos) of both TS O'Connell and SCD when Coach's Corner was still advertising their garbage in SCD.

And now SCD allows a full-page ad from CSC Collectibles. Some things never change.

Once an enabler always an enabler.

thetruthisoutthere 05-23-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 996558)
Does he have a court recognized exemplar file?

I know Judge Michael Fusz was not at all impressed with Chris Morales.

jgmp123 05-23-2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere (Post 996557)
I was hoping to hear from either Scott Tappa or Tom Bartsch from SCD after I emailed them yesterday.

Although I am disappointed that I didn't hear from them, I am certainly not surprised. I guess they are still mad at me for my criticism (my YouTube videos) of both TS O'Connell and SCD when Coach's Corner was still advertising their garbage in SCD.

And now SCD allows a full-page ad from CSC Collectibles. Some things never change.

So Chris I guess I see why I got the response...:D evidently I haven't been added to the banned (no response) list that SCD stands by...

thetruthisoutthere 05-23-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jgmp123 (Post 996589)
So Chris I guess I see why I got the response...:D evidently I haven't been added to the banned (no response) list that SCD stands by...

From Coach's Corner to CSC Collectibles. They must be proud of themselves.

slidekellyslide 05-24-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere (Post 996605)
From Coach's Corner to CSC Collectibles. They must be proud of themselves.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm amazed that SCD is still in print form, I honestly thought they were gone until I read this thread. Maybe they should go with a breast feeding cover to boost newstand sales.

thetruthisoutthere 08-01-2012 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jgmp123 (Post 996279)
Hi James,
* *Thanks for your e-mail. Yes, we are quite aware of Morales and his
reputation in the hobby. The running of such an ad was due to poor
communication to say the least and won't be happening again. Thank you.

Tom Bartsch
SCD

You can all read the above comment where Tom Bartsch, editor of SCD magazine writes to James "The running of such an ad was due to poor
communication to say the least and won't be happening again. Thank you."


Well guess what, it did happen again. On page 57 of the SCD issue dated August 10, 2012, Volume 40, NO. 17, is another full page ad from CSC Collectibles.

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Attachment 70325

Jay Wolt 08-01-2012 07:37 AM

Chris, guess full page ad revenue wins

thetruthisoutthere 08-01-2012 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Wolt (Post 1020966)
Chris, guess full page ad revenue wins

Absolutely, Jay. Just think of all those full-page Coach's Corner ads in SCD all those years. Sickening!!!!

RichardSimon 08-01-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere (Post 1020964)
You can all read the above comment where Tom Bartsch, editor of SCD magazine writes to James "The running of such an ad was due to poor
communication to say the least and won't be happening again. Thank you."


Well guess what, it did happen again. On page 57 of the SCD issue dated August 10, 2012, Volume 40, NO. 17, is another full page ad from CSC Collectibles.

Attachment 70324

Attachment 70325

Do you mean to say that the "leading" publication in the hobby actually lied??
OMG,,, what a shock, shocked to find SCD shilling for their very few advertisers.

rjackson44 08-01-2012 12:08 PM

chris how do they get away with it unreal .:eek:

thetruthisoutthere 08-01-2012 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 1021039)
Do you mean to say that the "leading" publication in the hobby actually lied??
OMG,,, what a shock, shocked to find SCD shilling for their very few advertisers.

I actually extended an olive branch to Tom Bartsch last year hoping for some peaceful communication. I even went a little further to show my sincerity and purchased a 6-month subscription to SCD magazine.

Mr. Bartsch never replied. Then earlier this year I noticed the CSC Collectibles full-page ad. I emailed Mr. Bartsch about the CSC Collectibles ad and never got a reply. James Graham, a Net54 member, did receive a reply.

Yes, I bashed SCD fervently during my days of my YouTube videos. They deserved every bit of bashing they received by myself and others.

Mr. Bartsch replied to James Graham with The running of such an ad was due to poor communication to say the least and won't be happening again.

Well, Mr. Bartsch, it did happen again. Poor communication again? Are we to really believe that?

earlywynnfan 08-01-2012 12:37 PM

I talked with a former staffer at SCD recently, and he told me how draining it was to check his values at the door and watch CC get so much advertising. He realized his paychecks depended on garbage. He said the whole feeling at the place was depressing.

Ken

earlywynnfan 08-01-2012 12:48 PM

I just spoke with Tom, and I hope he doesn't mind me coming on here to share. I get the feeling he likes these ads just about as much as we do, but he's locked in a battle with the advertising department (which does pay the bills.) I don't know the business enough to say which department has more power, but I'm sure a hefty check makes a strong point.

Ken

thetruthisoutthere 08-01-2012 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1021055)
I just spoke with Tom, and I hope he doesn't mind me coming on here to share. I get the feeling he likes these ads just about as much as we do, but he's locked in a battle with the advertising department (which does pay the bills.) I don't know the business enough to say which department has more power, but I'm sure a hefty check makes a strong point.

Ken

Ken, I appreciate your efforts to try to get Mr. Bartsch to comment here on Net54 about the recent CSC Collectibles ads.

If Mr. Bartsch hates those CSC Collectibles ads as much as we do, he's certainly not going to post that here. I just can't picture him coming over to explain those full-page CSC Collectibles advertisements.

I will also state that SCD Magazine has the right to accept any advertising they wish, but in the eyes of collectors, it doesn't make them look good.

Sad.

RichardSimon 08-01-2012 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1021055)
I just spoke with Tom, and I hope he doesn't mind me coming on here to share. I get the feeling he likes these ads just about as much as we do, but he's locked in a battle with the advertising department (which does pay the bills.) I don't know the business enough to say which department has more power, but I'm sure a hefty check makes a strong point.

Ken

So doing the right thing, doing something good for their readers, once again takes second place to making a meager profit.
With the circulation of SCD their ad rates should be about $50 for the back cover.

Wymers Auction 08-02-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1021055)
I just spoke with Tom, and I hope he doesn't mind me coming on here to share. I get the feeling he likes these ads just about as much as we do, but he's locked in a battle with the advertising department (which does pay the bills.) I don't know the business enough to say which department has more power, but I'm sure a hefty check makes a strong point.

Ken

If he hated these ads like we do they would disappear.

RobertGT 08-02-2012 12:32 PM

This publication lost whatever credibility it had in the hobby many years ago during the Coaches Corner fiasco.

It's unfortunate that Mr. Bartsch seems to be caught in a no-win situation here. If the advertising department refuses to drop the CSC ads, then the only thing he can do is resign or risk compromising his own integrity. CSC is banned from eBay and eBay is KING, like it or not. It's pretty hard for a legitimate business to justify this on any level. It's like the New York Times running an ad for Bernie Madoff investment services after he was convicted.

I never understood why any publication would put a short-term gain ahead of the long-term brand viability. Most collectors aren't stupid (at least that stupid) and will figure it out - maybe after they were burned on that Koufax sig. The result? More dropped subscriptions = fewer readers = smaller subscription base = lower ad rates = less money.

I do believe there is still a market for SCD if they could get past these issues, bring back quality content and serve as a Watchdog in a hobby that desperately needs one.

ibuysportsephemera 08-02-2012 01:03 PM

Scd
 
I just received the 2nd issue of my "new" SCD subscription (I was a subscriber for at least 15 or 20 years until around 2010) and I am happy to be back. I agree that it is a shame that CSC is allowed to advertise, but I actually have found myself looking forward to going through each issue so far. I will introduce myself to Mr. Bartsch tomorrow at the National and say nice things as well so that maybe the publication can continue to get better and grow again.

BTW, how can anyone at all think that a genuine Koufax autograph ball can be had for $95? Anyone who is willing to pay $95 for anything should have a little bit of knowledge about what they are buying IMO.

Jeff

jgmp123 08-02-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera (Post 1021372)
I just received the 2nd issue of my "new" SCD subscription (I was a subscriber for at least 15 or 20 years until around 2010) and I am happy to be back. I agree that it is a shame that CSC is allowed to advertise, but I actually have found myself looking forward to going through each issue so far. I will introduce myself to Mr. Bartsch tomorrow at the National and say nice things as well so that maybe the publication can continue to get better and grow again.

BTW, how can anyone at all think that a genuine Koufax autograph ball can be had for $95? Anyone who is willing to pay $95 for anything should have a little bit of knowledge about what they are buying IMO.

Jeff

Hey Jeff,

Since you will be talking to Tom tomorrow, Go ahead and ask him why he emailed me directly and apologized for the advertisement and that it was an oversight and wouldn't happen again...:confused:

jgmp123 08-02-2012 02:13 PM

Follow up email sent....

Hello Tom.


I received a response from you back in May regarding an ad that allowed to run in your paper. Well, you sent me the response below, but chose to go ahead and allow CSC to run another ad in the June 1st issue. Now you told me that it was due to poor communication..Has this happened again?


Please let me know what is going on over there. I'm not sure if my concern is with you or with your advertising department, but you and I both know that if a Sandy Koufax ball is listed at $95 it's a fake.


I look forward to your response.


James Graham
Jgmp123@yahoo.com

jgmp123 08-02-2012 09:15 PM

Response:

James, I'll get back to you on this in a day or so. Just got into baltimore for the national.

Tom

jgmp123 08-06-2012 01:01 PM

Response received today from Tom...

Thanks for your patience James,
As you might imagine, I heard plenty at the National Convention regarding CSC and its negative impact on SCD. I don't want them running, period, but alas my word is not the be-all, end all for the magazine when it comes to advertising. All of the CSC comments I am handing over all feedback to my ad manager and publisher to insist they are are not featured again. Thank you for your time.

Tom Bartsch
SCD

ibuysportsephemera 08-06-2012 01:05 PM

I took the time to speak to Tom on Saturday morning and he was very nice. As he said in the e-mail to James, I get the sense that he isn't the final word on this. I do think that he understands where "we" are coming from though.

Jeff

kengoldin 08-10-2012 12:02 PM

SCD and ads
 
Hi all
I have recently joined and will make myself available to anyone who ever has a question about a Score board contract, if an athlete signed an item for them, etc.
just PM me and send images when can.
I cannot tell you over the years how many emails and letters i have written to SCD about coach's corner and others they let advertise
also feel free to email me at ken@goldinauctions.com
if sending files that may be best

travrosty 08-10-2012 12:49 PM

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they claim the funny looking muhammad ali signed photos are scoreboard warehouse pieces, but i know that is not the case. can there be anything done for them to stop claiming this?

Exhibitman 08-10-2012 12:57 PM

And if you sign up for their email list they will send you emails for penis enlargement pills, Canadian viagra, and fake rolexes. After all, if you're buying fake balls, you probably need fake erections and watches to complete the ensemble...

kengoldin 08-10-2012 12:59 PM

This is NOT an image that was ever sold by SB, nor is it an image that ALI ever signed for SB.
And anyone selling fraudulent autographs 'can be stopped'
nothing happens at the pace we like.
I think that my getting very vocal about what was signed, and calling people out in a very specific, irefutable way is going to help, a lot.


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