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tedzan 06-02-2020 06:33 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set ? then try for T205 "Quad Squad" subsets
 
Let's see some of your favorite T205 cards, rare backs, sub-sets, Cigarette packs, Advertisements, etc. Near Mint cards, or less than Vg cards (condition is
immaterial) for this show.

Mission accomplished.....my first T205 "Quad Squad" (as I like to refer to it) is a printing arrangement that American Lithographic (ALC) first designed into
the T206 set during their printing of the 350 Series (Summer 1910). It includes 190 subjects in this T206 Series. For more info refer to...…
https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=237816&page=1 Post #25.

It combines subjects with the American Beauty = Broad Leaf = Cycle = Drum (A = B = C = D) backs. In 1911 ALC repeated this pattern in the T205 set.
But, only with 32 subjects. For more on this group of 32, refer to.... T205 DRUM vs HINDU....or, other tough front/back combos....let's talk T205's

Having said all that, I'm happy to say that I have finally completed my first T205 A = B = C = D run..... Harry Wolter (from my Highlanders / Yankees set).

I acquired this Wolter DRUM card 5 years ago from Joe Drelich, and I thought the other three members of this "Quad Squad" would come easy.
But, searching for certain T205 front/back combos can be tough. And Ringo Starr in his 1971 song titled "It Don't Come Easy"....said it best :)


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Further research reveals this special group of 32 subjects, which were printed with the A = B = C= D pattern, were printed with a total of 12
different Tobacco advertising backs. Twelve backs are the max....the other 176 subjects in the T205 set were printed with less than 12 backs.

Check-list of the 12 different T205 backs for this group of 32 subjects.………...

AMERICAN BEAUTY (Black ink) **
BROAD LEAF (black or green ink)
CYCLE
DRUM
HASSAN (Factory #30)
HASSAN (Factory #649)
HONEST LONG CUT
PIEDMONT (Factory #25)
PIEDMONT (Factory #42)
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN
SWEET CAPORAL (Factory #42) Red ink


**Note.....
the key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. Note that the T205 subjects with the Green American Beauty
back will NOT be found with a DRUM back.


Stay tuned....the Check-list for this group of 32 subjects will be included in the next post here.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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trambo 06-02-2020 08:20 PM

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I have the set as well! Lots of favorites but I’ll post my highest graded card for now. I was working through an auction and was getting outbid in a number of cards. Saw this one & said what the heck & threw in a bid. Very happy to have it and hopeful he has a PSA8 brother very soon!

orioles70 06-03-2020 07:56 AM

Has anyone ever seen a T205 Miller Huggins or Zach Wheat with a Drum back...or is Mordecai Brown still the only known T205 Hall of Famer with a Drum back?

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Eggoman 06-03-2020 08:29 AM

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I have a complete (?) set as well, minus the Hoblitzell - No Stats and a couple of the lesser known variations like Collins - Yellow Elephant & Walsh - Pink Diamond. I don't know if I'll EVER get them, but The Chase continues...

This Broadleaf pack is NOT a perfect match for the T205 Set, but it's damn close...

tedzan 06-03-2020 08:31 AM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...yT205black.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...205bk25x_1.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ggins25bxx.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rDRUMx25bx.jpg


Listed here are the 32 subjects that were printed with the T205 A = B = C = D backs.

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter


The above 5 names in bold letters have not yet been confirmed with a DRUM back.
But, they have been confirmed with the A - B - C backs. Therefore, I expect these
5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.

DRUM cards of certain T205 subjects appear to be scarcer than T206 DRUM cards.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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trambo 06-03-2020 09:27 AM

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Since someone said Hoblitzell No Stats here's mine. The lowest graded card in my set. I still say this is tougher to find than a Wagner (but much, much more affordable, of course!!). Didn't realize how tough it was until after I picked it up.

GeoPoto 06-03-2020 09:39 AM

I'm not crazy about the ABCD list.
 
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I don't have a dog in the ABCD hunt. I am early in several back runs, however, such as this one featuring Walter Johnson across SC25/SC42B/SC42R/PB/HLC.
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RCMcKenzie 06-03-2020 09:48 AM

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I think my Beals Becker has a green Broad Leaf back. Does anyone have Becker with a black back? Could that account for a Drum back not being found? I think with American Beauty, if it has one color, it does not have another. Is Broad Leaf the same way?

Great cards so far y'all, congrats on the latest Wolter, Ted. The only complete ABCD subject I have is Bridwell. I'm past halfway on the complete set, with lots of back runs for different players.

brianp-beme 06-03-2020 11:26 AM

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My T205 education stopped at ABC. I guess this collector moves to the beat of someone else's Drum.

Brian

gonzo 06-03-2020 11:42 AM

Latham ABCD
 
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My Becker is dark green (scan below).
Right now, I feel like the text colors for Broad Leaf are probably a continuum, kind of like how Piedmont 25 can range from lighter blue to very dark blue, meaning that any BL could be found with some shade in a green-to-brownish-grey range. But I'm open-minded on that.


Here's ABCD for Latham.
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sb1 06-03-2020 12:55 PM

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I got to 218, still have the set, may break it soon. Here are a couple of the tougher backs in pretty nice shape(not part of the set)....

tedzan 06-03-2020 01:03 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie (Post 1986828)
I think my Beals Becker has a green Broad Leaf back. Does anyone have Becker with a black back? Could that account for a Drum back not being found? I think with American Beauty, if it has one color, it does not have another. Is Broad Leaf the same way?

Great cards so far y'all, congrats on the latest Wolter, Ted. The only complete ABCD subject I have is Bridwell. I'm past halfway on the complete set, with lots of back runs for different players.



Rob

You raise an interesting question regarding the possible "non-connection" of a Green BROAD LEAF card vs. DRUM back (with respect to your Becker card with the Green ink
back). However, your Bridwell BROAD LEAF appears to be Green ? And, Bridwell has been confirmed with a DRUM back.

Furthermore, the various A = B= C "Quad Squad" sub-sets which I have (waiting for DRUM backs to complete them) have Black BROAD LEAF backs. Huggins is my favorite
"Quad Squad" sub-set. The Huggins card has not yet been confirmed with a DRUM back. But his BROAD LEAF back is Black ink. Therefore, I have high expectations that his
DRUM card will eventually be discovered.


.https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ugginsT205.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Huggins25x.jpg
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TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan 06-03-2020 06:33 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Hey guys,

Great looking T205's, thanks for posting them.

Gonzo.....
Love your "Quad Squad" sub-set of Latham......it is magnificent.


OK, let's continue this T205 "jive" alive...show-n-tell your cards.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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trambo 06-03-2020 07:20 PM

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Here are three more from my set. Love this trio together!!

RCMcKenzie 06-03-2020 09:30 PM

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Ted, the Bridwell looks very dark blue or black to me, in-hand.

It's very interesting that Michael's Broad Leaf Becker also has a green back.

Here are some backs I have scans of, I'll see if I can scan some more this week and group them by back color.

tedzan 06-04-2020 08:30 AM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie (Post 1987001)
Ted, the Bridwell looks very dark blue or black to me, in-hand.

It's very interesting that Michael's Broad Leaf Becker also has a green back.

Here are some backs I have scans of, I'll see if I can scan some more this week and group them by back color.


Rob

I have not seen enough T205 BROAD LEAF cards to form an accurate correlation between their color variations (green, blue, etc.) and the DRUM cards. There aren't too many
BROAD LEAF cards with these other color variations available to make an honest evaluation. The greater majority of BROAD LEAF backs are Black ink (or Brown).

One factor I am certain of in this A = B = C = D equation is that the Black AMERICAN BEAUTY back correlates exactly with existence (or probability) of a DRUM back.

Conversely, T205 subjects printed with the Green AMERICAN BEAUTY backs are mutually-exclusive with T205's with DRUM backs.

Checklist of the 12 basic Tobacco backs for this group of 32 subjects (Quad Squad).…..

AMERICAN BEAUTY (Black ink)
BROAD LEAF (black, or brown, or green or blue ink)
CYCLE
DRUM
HASSAN (Factory #30)
HASSAN (Factory #649)
HONEST LONG CUT
PIEDMONT (Factory #25)
PIEDMONT (Factory #42)
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN
SWEET CAPORAL (Factory #42) Red ink



TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan 06-04-2020 06:33 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
John Lobert is another one of my "Quad Squad" guys....which for now is just a "tri-squad" sub-set, since no DRUM card of John Lobert has yet to be discovered.
But, I do I have high expectations that his DRUM card will eventually be discovered.

Lobert was one fast running dude. This example best attests to this.....in 1913, he and Jim Thorpe raced the 100 yard dash at the Polo Grounds and Lobert won.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...BLobert50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LLobert50x.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CYCLEx50xx.jpg
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TED Z

T206 Reference
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kmac32 06-04-2020 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orioles70 (Post 1986800)
Has anyone ever seen a T205 Miller Huggins or Zach Wheat with a Drum back...or is Mordecai Brown still the only known T205 Hall of Famer with a Drum back?

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Nice Mordecai Brown Brum back.

rats60 06-05-2020 06:49 AM

My set

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0dc5c84426.jpg

My quad squad

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https://live.staticflickr.com/4529/3...4f3294f1_w.jpghttps://live.staticflickr.com/4728/2...57a80f7a_w.jpg

I know its not what Ted was looking for, but I am not much of a back collector for t205.

tedzan 06-05-2020 07:59 AM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 

Hey guy,

Anything goes here in this thread.

I love your display, thanks for posting it.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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trambo 06-05-2020 08:27 AM

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Forgot I had this photo. I finished my set in May 2018 and have been upgrading it since. This was taken in May 2018 as I wanted to see it all in one place. It's a master set of all 221 cards. I think the grade at the time was around 4.3. It's a far different set today as many in this photo have been upgraded but the feeling of seeing it all like this was very unreal!

Still my favorite set and one I'll likely continue to upgrade for years and hopefully decades to come!!

Loving this thread and seeing all of these great gold borders!!

Keep the t205 love coming!!

rats60 06-05-2020 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trambo (Post 1987401)
Forgot I had this photo. I finished my set in May 2018 and have been upgrading it since. This was taken in May 2018 as I wanted to see it all in one place. It's a master set of all 221 cards. I think the grade at the time was around 4.3. It's a far different set today as many in this photo have been upgraded but the feeling of seeing it all like this was very unreal!

Still my favorite set and one I'll likely continue to upgrade for years and hopefully decades to come!!

Loving this thread and seeing all of these great gold borders!!

Keep the t205 love coming!!

I was trying to upgrade everything to 5 or higher, but I personally graded a bunch of cards that I had bought in the 1980s and got some harsh 4s from PSA. Every time I found a 5 to upgrade it was in worse condition because it was an old grade. I have pretty much given up on upgrading. I have 4 cards that I would like to eventually upgrade, but other than that I am done. It took me 32 years off and on to get to this point.

cdn_collector 06-06-2020 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1987069)
Rob
Conversely, T205 subjects printed with the Green AMERICAN BEAUTY backs are mutually-exclusive with T205's with DRUM backs.

Thank goodness. This (green) AB Gibson was the last one I picked up to complete my back run.

<img border="0" src="https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/georgegibson/baseball-cards/62137/1911-t205-american-beauty" width="350" />

I really do like the look of the Broadleaf and Drum backs, but am plenty content only having the AB and Cycle options as far as Gibson is concerned.

Here's my Cycle:

<img border="0" src="https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/georgegibson/baseball-cards/13200/1911-t205-cycle" width="350" />

Great cards everyone!

Richard.

tedzan 06-06-2020 05:07 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cdn_collector (Post 1987704)
Thank goodness. This (green) AB Gibson was the last one I picked up to complete my back run.

<img border="0" src="https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/georgegibson/baseball-cards/62137/1911-t205-american-beauty" width="350" />

I really do like the look of the Broadleaf and Drum backs, but am plenty content only having the AB and Cycle options as far as Gibson is concerned.

Here's my Cycle:

<img border="0" src="https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/georgegibson/baseball-cards/13200/1911-t205-cycle" width="350" />

Great cards everyone!

Richard.


Hi Richard

Nice cards.....and with Gibson having the Green AMERICAN BEAUTY back you knew that there was no concern for a BROAD LEAF or DRUM.


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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orioles70 06-06-2020 09:46 PM

Part of my T205 master set (only*missing Wilhelm and Mathewson variations) is*represented by at least 2 examples of all 11 tobacco brands and I have at least*one of each brand that is a Hall of Famer.

My question -- is this a unique subset given the fact that there are only 2 known Hall of Famers with*Hindu backs (Johnson and Duffy...I have Duffy) and 1 known Hall of Famer with a*Drum back (Brown)?


Hall of Famers I have by back


American Beauty - black ink
Chief Bender SGC 60 EX 5


Broad Leaf - black ink
Zach Wheat


Cycle
Joe Tinker PSA 5 EX


Drum
Mordecai Brown PSA 1 PR-FR


Hassan - factory 30
Roger Bresnahan - mouth open


Hassan - factory 649
Joe Tinker


Hindu
Hugh Duffy


Honest Long Cut
Frank Baker
Chief Bender
Roger Bresnahan - mouth closed
Mordecai Brown
Frank Chance
Ty Cobb
Eddie Collins - mouth closed
Eddie Collins - mouth open
Clark Griffith
Miller Huggins
Walter Johnson
Rube Marquard
Christy Mathewson
John McGraw
Tris Speaker
Bobby Wallace - with cap
Bobby Wallace - no cap one line
Bobby Wallace - no cap two lines
Zach Wheat


Piedmont - factory 25
Frank Baker PSA 3 VG*
Chief Bender PSA 4 VG-EX*
Fred Clarke
Fred Clarke PSA 5 EX*
Hugh Duffy
Addie Joss
Rube Marquard PSA 4 VG-EX*
Zach Wheat PSA 6 EX-MT*


Polar Bear
Eddie*Collins - mouth cld - PSA 5 EX*
Ed Walsh


Sovereign
Fred Clarke. SGC 70. EX+ 5.5


Sweet Caporal - factory 25 black ink
Cy Young


Sweet Caporal - factory 25 red ink
Johnny Evers


Sweet Caporal - factory 42 black ink
Hugh Duffy PSA 5 EX
Hugh Jennings



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gonzo 06-07-2020 10:10 AM

I’d have to say it’s unique unless whoever has the Hindu Johnson also has a similar group. Some other HoFs -could- exist with Hindu backs (anyone with the same backs as Johnson, so Young or Jennings), but I haven’t heard them reported as existing yet. A Drum Wheat could exist but has not been reported yet.

If you count “blank back” as a back, there’s a Speaker and a Cobb, and I believe a Mathewson, though I’ve never seen a scan of the latter. There’s also the McGraw scrap from Leon’s collection that Heritage auctioned a few years back. And I believe that a Collins Mouth Closed probably exists, but I’ve never heard one reported.

You might throw Piedmont 42 into your list as well. A bunch of Hall of Famers are available with the P42 back.

tedzan 06-08-2020 11:06 AM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Another group of T205's that fascinate me are the Minor Leaguers. I prefer the artwork on these 12 cards over the designs of the
other 196 subjects in this set.
Also, it is interesting that American Lithographic (ALC) printed a group of 12 subjects in the last Series (460-only) of the T206 set
which I refer to as the "Exclusive 12". Very similarly, ALC printed this group of 12 subjects representing Minor Leaguers at the tail
end of their T205 print run. How do we know these cards were printed late in the T205 game, just read their bios. Their bios have
information which indicates ALC printed these 12 guys circa Fall/Winter 1911. They are the T205 version of the "Exclusive 12".



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Hey guys......Let's keep this T205 "ballgame" rolling, show some more T205 cards.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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gonzo 06-08-2020 12:31 PM

It's possible that the 14 "Cycle-Hassan 30-Piedmont 25" short-prints (Joss, Grant, Karger, etc.) were replaced by these 12 MLs.

I posted a thread a couple of months ago showing a case in which a T205 Minor Leaguer was printed on the same sheet as a National Leaguer. Maybe they padded the sheet out with a couple of other players to make up the difference.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=281581

https://images2.imgbox.com/6b/8d/EWb81Oo7_o.jpg

https://images2.imgbox.com/13/27/AjW70nw8_o.jpg

tedzan 06-10-2020 07:04 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Gonzo

Very neat, thanx for posting your Mattern card which shows an adjacent Newark player.

Here's a miscut John Titus card showing us that Tony Smith was adjacent on the printed sheet.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...usSmith50x.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan 06-11-2020 06:59 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Another run from my Yankees collection is Jack Quinn. He is a member of the "Quad Squad", which means he was printed with 12 different T-brands. I currently have
7 of them. I still need these 5 backs to complete the run. Needless to say, the BROAD LEAF, DRUM, PIEDMONT #42 are tough. Any help from any of you on this great
forum will really be appreciated.

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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robertsmithnocure 06-11-2020 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orioles70 (Post 1987863)
Part of my T205 master set (only*missing Wilhelm and Mathewson variations) is*represented by at least 2 examples of all 11 tobacco brands and I have at least*one of each brand that is a Hall of Famer.

My question -- is this a unique subset given the fact that there are only 2 known Hall of Famers with*Hindu backs (Johnson and Duffy...I have Duffy) and 1 known Hall of Famer with a*Drum back (Brown)?

Great run of Hall of Famers. It could very possibly be unique. Aren’t there multiple examples of the Brown with a Drum back?

orioles70 06-12-2020 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure (Post 1989460)
Great run of Hall of Famers. It could very possibly be unique. Aren’t there multiple examples of the Brown with a Drum back?

Yes, there is certainly more than one copy of the Mordecai Brown Drum back (one may still be on ebay...was on there for a while) but I have never seen anyone else say they have a T205 Hall of Famer example with each type of all 11 brands of tobacco advertised on the back...it's tough since you would have to have the Mordecai Brown Drum back AND either a Walter Johnson or Hugh Duffy Hindu back since they are the only Hall of Famers known to exist with those backs.

Does anybody have an educated guess as to copies that exist of those 3 T205 cards...Brown Drum, Johnson Hindu, Duffy Hindu?

John

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tedzan 06-12-2020 09:30 AM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orioles70 (Post 1989548)
Yes, there is certainly more than one copy of the Mordecai Brown Drum back (one may still be on ebay...was on there for a while) but I have never seen anyone else say they have a T205 Hall of Famer example with each type of all 11 brands of tobacco advertised on the back...it's tough since you would have to have the Mordecai Brown Drum back AND either a Walter Johnson or Hugh Duffy Hindu back since they are the only Hall of Famers known to exist with those backs.

Does anybody have an educated guess as to copies that exist of those 3 T205 cards...Brown Drum, Johnson Hindu, Duffy Hindu?

John

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Hi John

Trust me.....Huggins and Wheat will eventually be discovered with DRUM backs. Ten years ago, when I first started studying the front/back permutations of T205 cards,
there were just 20 known with DRUM backs. Since then, 7 of the 12 additional T205 subjects which I predicted have been discovered. There are only 5 more remaining
to be discovered with the DRUM back.



Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1986809)
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...yT205black.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...205bk25x_1.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ggins25bxx.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rDRUMx25bx.jpg


Listed here are the 32 subjects that were printed with the T205 A = B = C = D backs.

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter


The above 5 names in bold letters have not yet been confirmed with a DRUM back.
But, they have been confirmed with the A - B - C backs. Therefore, I expect these
5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.
.


And, as you know the DRUM guys and the HINDU guys are mutually-exclusive.

Here's my current Checklist for the HINDU backs..…(please chime in if I have omitted any HINDU's).
Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1346834)
List of the 23 subjects currently confirmed with HINDU backs (with respect to their Team affiliation)......


New York Giants
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Leon Ames
Josh Devore
W. R. Dickson

Cincinnatti Reds
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Robert Bescher
Richard Egan
Harry Gaspar

Chicago Cubs
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John Kling
John Pfeister

Detroit Tigers
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George Simmons
Oscar Stanage

Philadelphia Phillies
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William Bransfield
Fred Jacklitsch
Sherwood Magee

Washington Senators
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Walter Johnson
George McBride

Boston Red Sox
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Eddie Cicotte
Clyde Engle
Jacob Stahl

Boston Rustlers
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Bayard Sharpe

Brooklyn Superbas
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Edgar Lennox

Chicago White Sox
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Hugh Duffy

Pittsburg Pirates
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Albert Leifield

St Louis Browns
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William Bailey

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orioles70 06-12-2020 10:15 AM

Ted
Will be exciting to see if they are eventually found.

Any educated guess on existing copies of the Drum Brown and Hindu Johnson and Duffy....maybe 15-20 of each?
John

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trambo 06-12-2020 03:10 PM



Great cards, btw! Jealous of a few of those as they'd look great in my set...haha! Joss and Johnson are two for sure! Mine are only 5's....haha!

Thanks for sharing!

tedzan 06-12-2020 06:32 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orioles70 (Post 1989582)
Ted
Will be exciting to see if they are eventually found.

Any educated guess on existing copies of the Drum Brown and Hindu Johnson and Duffy....maybe 15-20 of each?
John

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John

This is not really an "educated guess", anyhow.....

I know of 5 cards of Mordecai Brown with DRUM.

Two Walter Johnson cards with HINDU.

One Hugh Duffy card with HINDU.


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orioles70 06-12-2020 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1989755)
John



This is not really an "educated guess", anyhow.....



I know of 5 cards of Mordecai Brown with DRUM.



Two Walter Johnson cards with HINDU.



One Hugh Duffy card with HINDU.





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Ted,
Do those figures include my Brown and Duffy?

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tedzan 06-12-2020 08:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by orioles70 (Post 1989778)
Ted,
Do those figures include my Brown and Duffy?

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John....They do.

Another Duffy/HINDU has been reported; however, I've never seen it.


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Leon 06-13-2020 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1989785)
John....They do.

Another Duffy/HINDU has been reported; however, I've never seen it.


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I will believe Duffy/Hindu when I see it. (*edited to add, I have now seen it. :))

My only T205 and the one I wanted to end up with (until an upgrade comes along)
I do like the backs but once was enough :)

orioles70 06-13-2020 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1989885)
I will believe Duffy/Hindu when I see it.

My only T205 and the one I wanted to end up with (until an upgrade comes along)
I do like the backs but once was enough :)

Leon,

I have posted it on threads before but here is the Hugh Duffy Hindu I bought at a Richmond Tuff Stuff show in 1998 or 1999, if memory serves, from Andy's Sportscards.

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Leon 06-13-2020 08:52 AM

Thanks John. I am getting old. That is a great card.

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Leon,

I have posted it on threads before but here is the Hugh Duffy Hindu I bought at a Richmond Tuff Stuff show in 1998 or 1999, if memory serves, from Andy's Sportscards.

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tedzan 06-13-2020 07:01 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
There are mis-cuts, and then there are printing flaws, but this Collins card's back is quite interesting. As it reveals to us that this Collins
card was Double-Printed (horizontally) on its sheet.
Vertical Double-Printing of T206's is evident with same name on top and bottom. But, I don't recall that any T206's were Double-Printed
horizontally.
So, the mis-cut on this Collins card reveals a significant difference in the printing process for T205' cards.


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tedzan 06-14-2020 07:01 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
Here's a couple of interesting bits of Trivia to give this thread an added bump...then perhaps we'll see some more posts here
with T205 cards or stuff.

I am proud to say..... Jack Quinn was one of many Pennsylvanians that are in the T206 set. In fact, the state of Pennsylvania
is the source of more BB players in the T206 set than any other State.

Pictured here besides Jack Quinn's T206 card is his 1933 GOUDEY card. He is the only active ballplayer to be in both of these
prominent sets. He was 50 years of age and still pitching for the Cincinnati Reds in 1933 (his last season).


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...torynum649.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...06quinn33g.jpg


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tedzan 06-22-2020 05:21 PM

Talking & showing T205's...Completed the set, then try for T205 "Quad Squad" sub-set
 
OK, I guess there aren't too many here that get excited doing the "Quad Squad". Then, why not try a bigger challenge....the entire back run of your favorite T205 guy.
Figuring out the back runs of certain T205's can be a tricky thing. However, the front/back combinations of this group of T205 subjects is well defined. The 12 different
backs associated with this group of 32 subjects are listed in Post #1 in this thread.
I get a kick out of doing these runs. Continuing from the prior post here, here is my Quinn back run. I still need 4 more backs to complete it. Two of which (DRUM and
PIEDMONT #42) are extremely difficult to find. Stay tuned, the run of a favorite T205 of mine is 75 % complete, and it includes a really nice looking PIEDMONT #42.

OK, I've said enough.
Hey guys, it's your turn to show-n-tell us of your T205's. There are not too many threads on Net54 regarding T205 cards, so looking forward to your responses.


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Factory #30



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hcv123 06-22-2020 07:42 PM

Thanks Ted
 
As always - appreciate reading and learning from your informative posts. DOn't really have anything good to contribute - working on a T 205 Pirate team set - landed a few of the green AB T205's form the collection that was shown on antiques roadshow. Would love a little help acquiring Tommy Leach in the ABCD category - anyone point me in the direction of one or more?

gonzo 06-26-2020 07:19 PM

T205 Crandall run, minus Hassan 30
 
I've put together this run of T205 Doc Crandall. Of the backs that Crandall comes with, it's missing only the Hassan 30 back - just haven't found the right one yet.

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AddieJoss 06-30-2020 04:34 PM

Ted, tried reaching out to you but unable to send a PM. Could you please call me when you have a chance? 609-932-6740

puckpaul 07-01-2020 11:19 AM

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Here is my no stats...off center but tremendous condition otherwise. Paid for it! But had the rest of the set I had bought and had the chance...might be highest graded one. Sorry, I am just terrible at uploading photos...no idea why too small and crooked.


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