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Posted By: <b>Joe</b><p>Leon,<br /><br />I am a former lawyer, so I thought I would give you my thoughts. It sounds like if you don't have the right guy, the Gilliam family now would have a lot more ammo to sue you for posting their personal information with no due process than you would have for suing Billy. Saying vulgar things about people is cruel, but as long as it didn't cause you substantial monetary harm that you can prove, or threaten you, unfortunately that speech is not illegal. Email me if you want to discuss this further, Joe.

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I think the opinion above misses the mark. What was done is actionable, criminally and civilly.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Joe, ever heard of intentional infliction of emotional distress?

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Posted By: <b>McCormick</b><p>HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PERSONAL PRIVACY!? you people dont give up do you?

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Jeff, come on - you and I both know the elements of IIED are not met...

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>You lawyers and judges have it all wrong....I am sure there was no crime committed here....no way<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/12/nyregion/12cnd-dj.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin" target="_new">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/12/nyregion/12cnd-dj.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin</a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Leon - actually you are correct. I only saw the posts from the other day and since I don't know what was said this morning (as it was deleted before I saw it), I really should not say anything at all.<br /><br />That being said, I was only commenting on IIED of requires extreme and outrageous conduct causing the plaintiff severe emotional distress. Pretty high bar...

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Well, Jon, do you have a daughter? I'm assuming you're suggesting that there is no proof of emotional distress suffered by Leon.<br /><br />More to the point, I suspect that the guy who posted this crap is not sitting back and laughing as some would suggest; I'm guessing he has probably soiled his diaper instead.

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Posted By: <b>McCormick</b><p>guys its over like leon said.. lets get back to wagner cards. And drop this pathetic nonsense.

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Posted By: <b>McCormick</b><p>besides that article reads that the guy said that he wants to rape the guys daughter and will pay someone 500 bucks to find out what school she went to. This billy guy just threw out some random nonsense im sure not even knowing you had a girl to try and get under your skin.

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Jeff - agreed (and no, no daughter).

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>This McCormick fellow sure knows a lot about Billy's motivations...it's almost as if he wants this put behind us more than old Billy boy does.

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Posted By: <b>McCormick</b><p>Where do you get this nonsense from dan? you sure know how to antagonize someone.<br /><br />Courts in most jurisdictions take a decidedly unfavorable stance towards IIED claims. It is felt that they are generally frivolous claims for non-quantifiable harm, and often are appended to other more substantive claims merely as an afterthought. Meeting the element of conduct that is so outrageous as to be beyond the bounds of civilized society is extremely difficult, and consequently most claims fail.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>McCormick next time you prep your legal case perhaps change the wording from Wikipedia.....and not cut and paste.<br /><br />Wikipedia how all good attorneys prep.... <br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_infliction_of_emotional_distress" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_infliction_of_emotional_distress</a><br /><br />Dan may know how to bug you but you have mastered google cut and paste.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>With all respect, why are you chasing this ambulance so hard? Why are you so concerned about Leon making a complaint to the police? And why are you cutting and pasting legal advice? Why not just let Leon do what he wants to do?

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>"This billy guy just threw out some random nonsense im sure not even knowing you had a girl to try and get under your skin."<br /><br />You SURE seem to know a lot about Billy's motivations.<br /><br />You said it yourself (You're even SURE of it)...that's where I got that nonsense.

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>McCormick, why do we HAVE to put this behind us, just because you want us to? The stuff this Billy guy said was pretty close to what is quoted above, did you actually see what he wrote? Whoever said this 25 year old was a kid was rediculous, The guy has been an adult for a long time and should know better. As the father of a daughter, I don't know if I would be as forgiving as Leon is being. <br /><br />This guy made his bed, and now he has to sleep in it. I'm just not sure what your beef is here? You seem to be taking anything directed at this sicko somewhat personally.<br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>Chuck Montoya</b><p> Top of page | Bottom of page | Main Index <br /> <br />No easy out for this POS<br />August 12 2008 at 12:08 AM Chuck Montoya <br />(Login ChuckMontoya)<br /> <br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> <br />I don't post here often but I lurk here every day. This punk did not just come here once and then go away. He Hijacked somebodys account and said horrible disgusting things about a child. He should be taught a lesson! He's 25 years old! He's not a kid anymore and he needs to learn that threre are real repercussions to the type of behavior he displayed here! If it were my daughter he spoke of, I'd run a white hot icepick up his pee pee hole and then get mad. Not only is he an internet troll but, a very disturbed individual. You can NEVER be to careful when children are brought into the mix. I feel that an admission of guilt and a solemn promise in writing to never come to this board again is a good start followed by a public letter of apology and a promise to seek counseling. Proof of counseling should be provided. Anything less and I have an icepick you can borrow. <br /> <br /> <br />Mr Mcormick has forgotten that he can control his mouse and read only threads pertaining to cards.

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Posted By: <b>McCormick</b><p>I did copy paste it. I never said i didn't. you really thought I had time to type that out for you dan? I didnt put much time into it. Not as much time as you took to find it on the internet. HAHAHA all i said was to drop this nonsense. you are like trying to find out clues like a detective now. you said "your sure" what billy thinks. Grow up child and stop acting like billy. Leon will do whatever he thinks is needed. In my opionion he is wasting his time, just like your wasting your own.

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Posted By: <b>Joe</b><p>I am not sure where you guys see the connection? The rapper threatened to track down the daughter and even offered a cash reward for information. Saying you had sex with someone is inappropriate but Leon will find when he calls the Reno police department that without an explicit threat like made in the article no investigation will even be launched. Do you want to meet back here this time tomorrow and we will see how far Leon got?

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Posted By: <b>McCormick</b><p>you understand what im saying here. Its just not worth a grown mans time. whats done is done. He is nowhere to be found now. So lets just move on from this and stop giving the prankster what he wants. Don't you people think he is home reading this garbage right now laughing that he got such a rise out of all of you? I know i was a kid at one point who loved to get a rise out of people. When people keep going it gives the hoodlum his satisfaction. enough is enough.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>It's funny how you chastise Leon for wasting his time about this -- but you have no problem wasting just as much time defending the psycho who started this. And again, the guy who wrote these things is not laughing now at all, I assure you. But of course you know this already.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Actually it was me not Dan who copied your post into Google and it popped the page above so really no time at all but thanks for worrying about my personal time management.<br /><br />So riddle me this guy. You and MB3 or “MBrocks” Mr. XTREME golf come out of nowhere to post your thoughts on the subject….I’ve been posting here for years never seen you guys. So please tell me out of all the topics discussed here on the (and I stress) “VINTAGE BASEBALL CARD FORUM” did this one speak to you guys to speak up.<br /><br />Just seems like an odd topic to jump on from the shadows of lurking being the huge collectors and baseball card fans, to play devil’s advocate to the vulgar vile stuff that was typed about a man’s 12yr old little girl…<br /><br /><br />P.S. Will everyone stop saying 25yrs old is a kid...

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Posted By: <b>McCormick</b><p>"But of course you know this already" what are you even talking about here? Did you read all my posts? or are you just believing what you want to believe? I never sided with anyone. i made that clear in my 1st couple posts. I said I was simply stating my opinion which Leon agreed with. WHY WASTE YOUR TIME? We are all adults here and have lives. This is rediculous that someone sick as "Billy" is able to even get a rise out of so many people and such attention. reason why i said to just drop it.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Why are you wasting so much time? We don't consider supporting our friend as wasting time -- especially when it has to do with disgusting things said about his daughter. What is your excuse? Oh, I get it -- you're concerned about Leon too.

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Posted By: <b>McCormick</b><p>sorry john i wasnt aware that i had to post to all the posts on this website to meet your qualifications. I apologize to you john for freedom of speech. Your right Johnny i shouldnt have spoke since i never spoke before. Pardon me John for stepping in and voicing my opinion. I wasnt aware that i had to formally intoduce myself to you Johnny before making myself public to anyone else. I am sorry for hurting your feelings John.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>No need to skirt the question with sarcasm besides you bringing sarcasm to me is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. <br /><br />I asked a fair question why of all the interesting and even controversial topics on this forum do you pop up out of the blue to tell everyone to relax about vulgar sexual remarks made about someone’s child, and then have the stones to tell us to grow up that a 25yr old is just a kid and he can’t help it let it go. When a 9yr old drops the F-bomb because he heard big brother say it…it’s cute. When a 25yr old man makes the remarks this guy did it becomes not cute and downright reportable IMO clear enough for you genius…<br />

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Posted By: <b>McCormick</b><p>"you bringing sarcasm to me is like bringing a knife to a gun fight."<br /><br />we got a tough guy everyone.. watch out he will shoot you..

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Posted By: <b>David Goff</b><p>Who has odds on this? <br /><br />Take 5-2 infavor of John...

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Yawn twist all you want…<br /><br />No violence here just an analogy use Wikipedia to look it up you seem to be good at that.<br /> <br />Speaking of no violence or malice attended that’s a lot more than I can say about your boy you’re defending… and since we like to twist things around…how long have you been a supporter of child molestation?<br /><br />Do you guys meet at like TGIFridays or something…<br />

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>I'll speculate that this is not the first time that Billy did this on a chat forum. I'll also speculate it's not be the first time he has been caught. Who takes such elaborate measures to cover up their IP address?

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Posted By: <b>Brian McQueen</b><p><br />Funny how every time someone gets in trouble on the board, from Peter Chao, to the present, we always seem to get this sudden "membership spike" here on our humble board. And, almost as humorous, is the fact that all these brand new members just happen to take the side of said troublemaker and appear so set in their convictions too! <br /><br />So what have we got so far? Well, we've got Billy Gilliam, with an Email address of bgilliam83@hotmail.com<br /><br />Then along came a former lawyer named Joe with an email address of bigrebel83@yahoo.com.<br /><br />Couldn't you have at least removed the "83" from your email address? We all know what year you were born at this point. Wow, never ran into a 25 year old FORMER lawyer before. <br /><br />Let's see, who else...oh...SMcormick@gmail.com. Ok, so you finally took the "83" out for the account you created through gmail, terrific.<br /><br />Did I miss any? What, no AOL account?<br /><br />Very amusing. Billy, I like the way you're using all your new aliases to have conversations with each other. That's really neat and creative...<br /><br />Leon, I wish you the best of luck tomorrow. Whatever you can do on your end, I hope you do it.<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Brian, good work. What a shock! It's not so hard to figure out when new people suddenly joined the board and they are the only ones literally begging that no action be taken against young Billy. Hilarious. I love the 'former lawyer'...he was the best. As I said, little Billy isn't laughing anymore....

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Jeff aren't you 25??<br /><br />I never thought I would say this but talking vulgar about peoples kids....can't we go back to the good ol' days of Cock Fighting??<br /><br />Ahhhh memories….<br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/small/chicken3.jpg"><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/small/3-japan_01.jpg"><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/small/3-japan_03.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>Do you east coast guys ever sleep John? LOL

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Sadly David..no because in China it's almost 2:00pm...

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>I used to work for a company that sold Chinese software. Do you use Twinbridge?

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Posted By: <b>David Goff</b><p>Uh oh John...you are about to open up a whole new can of worms. LOL (in reference to your cock fighting pics)

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>So it's no coincidence that "Joe", who started this thread, has the same exact IP address:<br /><br />75.125.48.82 - by login: Griffeyfan<br /><br /><br />as our boy Billy....nice start of a thread here Billy.....I am sure the Reno authorities will have a difficult time finding you too. Probably about as difficult of a time as I will have speaking with them tomorrow. Like I say my friend....we, or should I say "you", are done.....but don't worry, all of the things you said on the board really aren't that bad, are they? I am sure the police, who probably have a lot of young daughters, will think it's no big deal....have a good nights sleep.....

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>...based on some of the child-like insults you made yesterday when a few of us were trying to talk cards in the chatroom. Insulting our mothers in a vulgar fashion. Just pitiful. And as your "friends" implored after you had been caught; we did not waste any time on you; just ignored your rambling ignorant nonsense. Accept whatever punishment is coming your way, get some help for whatever problems you may have on the tax-payers tab, and leave us alone.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>It's very unfortunate that this Billy Gilliam, who now appears to be posting under various names, has hijacked the board to such a degree that very little else has been discussed here lately. It makes me think that it is time for Leon to consider updating the software, or perhaps even making it difficult for a stranger to post here so freely (similar to that other board that is more secretive than the Stone Cutters).<br /><br />We are a free chat board that allows anyone to register and log in, and all free forums are subject to this kind of internet terrorism, for lack of a better term. Soon we may get copycat posters, and eventually our whole community will suffer for it.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>The funniest part is how Gilliam thought that he could convince the board that "Joe" and "McCormick" were just two lurkers who have never posted on the board -- until now when they came out in support of not turning in a hopeful-pedophile to authorities. The 'former lawyer' bit was funny as well as the Wiki cut and paster. But the reverse psychology angle, that Billy was laughing instead of shaking in his boots -- good stuff too. Billy reminds me of one of those WWF wrestlers from the early 70s who, after hitting the good guy over the head with a chair when his back was turned would then be on his knees begging for forgiveness when the good guy turned around and slowly advanced towards the attack. Of course as soon as the good guy hesitated for a second the bad guy threw salt in his eyes.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Mt. Joy</b><p>I sure hope you take this as far as you can Leon, I'm guessing this punk has done this many times before and will continue to do so until he learns how wrong it is.

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>"Do you guys meet at like TGIFridays or something…"<br /><br />More likely Denny's, cleverly chosen for its bountiful use of pictures in the menu...<br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>Dave Haas</b><p>I think you should give Billy's info to the real Keith O. I'm sure he would like to know who is using his name to post such foul language. I'm sure his contacts at his network would come in real handy.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I've noticed that billy's postings no longer refer to the sexual things he wants to do to Leon's daughter. I wonder if he's still laughing about this? And do you think his daddy took out the belt and gave him a whupping?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Don't look now....or over your shoulder: You really should have left my daughter out of this......<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Thank you for filing a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint<br /> Center (IC3).<br /><br />Your complaint has been successfully submitted. Please retain the<br /> following information for future contacts with the IC3: <br />

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Posted By: <b>marty q</b><p>way to go leon, every man has a line that another should not cross, family is fisrt and foremost, he crossed-now he pays!!!!<br /><br />leon-our new charles bronson....letting the scum know what happens when good people fight back..

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>The Office of the President at the University of Reno wasn't very happy about hearing about this either....<br /><br /><a href="http://www.unr.edu/president/contact/index.html" target="_new">http://www.unr.edu/president/contact/index.html</a><br /><br /><br />Billy seems to be intelligent as he is/was going for a Masters.....but really did cross the line...

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Does this mean the police were not interested?