Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Mission Accomplished....All-PIEDMONT T206 set (518 cards) done....So, now I am engaged in trying<br /> for a complete run of SOVEREIGN cards. Although, the Piedmont set was quite a challenge, it was a<br /> straight forward journey. Since we know that all T206's, except for Demmitt and O'Hara (St Louis)<br /> variations, were printed with Piedmont backs.<br /><br />This is not so....for the Sovereign brand.....Wagner, Plank, Magie, Joe Doyle (err), Lundgren (Cubs),<br />Elberfeld (port-Wash), Baker, Kleinow (Boston), Smith (Chi & Boston), and the 48 Southern Lgrs. for<br /> starters do not exist with Sovereign backs. That leaves 467 cards maximum for a complete run.<br /><br />Currently, I have 300+ T206's with Sovereign backs; therefore, one might say "I am on my way".....<br />not so fast....I have to determine how many other T206's are "MIA" with respect to the SOVEREIGN<br /> brand. I don't want to be chasing after "non-existent" cards.<br /><br />OK, you serious T206 collectors, please tell us which other T206's do not exist with SOVEREIGN backs ?<br /><br /> <br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/chancematty.jpg"><br /><br />Two really tough SOVEREIGN 460 cards from the 6 - Super Print series of T206's<br /><br />T-Rex TED

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Maybe it would be easier to see what cards do exist and work from there. Here's my short list:<br /><br />Brown, M. (Cubs on Shirt) Edit SOV150<br />Owen<br />Bresnahan Portrait<br />Chase Blue Portrait<br />Dougherty Portrait <br />Doyle Bat on Shoulder<br />Johnson Hands at Chest<br />

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />Maybe it would make sense to start with some of the difficult 150 only cards like:<br /><br />Burch batting<br />G. Brown Cubs<br />Evers Blue Bckrd.<br />M. Brown Cubs on Shirt (Looks like Steve has this one from above post.)<br />Shulte Front<br />Sullivan<br />Powers<br />Pelty Horizontal<br />Patee<br />Reulbach hands at side<br />Donlin Hok<br /><br />Can we confirm any of the above cards with Sovereign backs?<br />I don't have any from this list.<br /><br />Rob<br />

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>The "Super Set" has produced the following:<br /><br />114 from the 150 series<br /><br />240 from the 350 series<br /><br />50 from the 460 series<br />

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Robert A<br /><br />Your suggestion is a good start......of the 11 known 150-only cards in the<br /> T206 set,<br />Magie and Honus Wagner are of course not available with Sovereign backs.<br />And, so far the only other one from this group that has NOT been reported<br /> with a Sovereign 150 back is Donlin (hands on knees).<br /><br />A possible three other "150-only" candidates....Ames (hands/chest), Ewing,<br /> and Schulte (front) do exist with Sovereign 150 backs.<br /><br />

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Ted,<br />Let me know if you are able to find all six 350/460 superprints with the Sov 460 back.<br />I will keep on the lookout for Chase Blue + Chase Dark + Cobb Red + Evers Yellow.<br />(I know for a fact that Cobb Red with Sov 460 is out there--I have seen at least two examples. I also think I have seen Chase Blue + Chase Dark at some point but can't say for sure).<br />Scot

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>SCOT R<br /><br />Thanx to you.....I have acquired the Chance and Matty shown here. And, I have been<br />offered a Chase (dark cap), which I hope to acquire. I am batting .500 so far on these<br /> T206 Super Prints.<br /><br />Art M. has a Red Cobb and I think Bill Brown has a Chase (blue); but, I cannot account<br />for an Evers (yellow sky). I will bet Brian Weisner has all of them....where are you Brian ?<br /><br />T-Rex TED

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> I will return tomorrow night..... Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />PS I think I have all of the Super prints with Sov 460's

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>All 6 cards have appeared with Sovereign 460 backs in the "Super Set".

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BILL B<br /><br />On your latest SS you have a blank spot for Chance (yellow)....Sov 460.<br /><br />I will initial that spot with my Chance when I start filling in the blanks with<br />my recently acquired T206's.<br /><br />TED Z

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I already input your initials for the Chance. Thanks, Bill

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Hi Ted,<br /><br /> I have a Sovereign 460 Chase dark hat.

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BILL B<br /><br />Thanx....you beat me to it. And, I will be inputting Sovereign and other backs<br />into your SS this week.....lots of data.<br /><br />T-Rex TED

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Ted- you're all packed up and ready to go. I'm heading to the post office in a few minutes with the great Sovereign find.

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>TRex,<br /><br />Just had to take a moment to say congratulations on winning the fabulous<br />lots from Sloate's great auction.<br />You must be incredibly excited to receive and soon feel in your hands<br />those WONDERS approaching 100 years!<br />And they're SOVEREIGN!!!<br />What a holiday you are already having!<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />Barry

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>STEVE M<br /><br />You make a good point.......but, on the other hand, all the confirmed Sovereign cards are<br /> too numerous to list. So, I am doing my homework (by comparing several large surveys of<br /> T206's) and will list all the "non-confirmed" Sovereign cards from these surveys, which will<br /> also take into account the 300+ cards I have.<br /><br />Then, all us T206 dudes can check-out this list; and, see if we can confirm any of these<br /> "non-confirmed" SOVEREIGN cards. I expect approx. 60-80 T206's fall into this category.<br /><br />Sounds like another "dreaded survey" to me.....but, that's just fine.....you guys can dub<br /> me the "Survey King".<br /><br />TED Z

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Here are a list of the Sovereign 150 and 460 series backs that have not been recorded on the "Super Set". I will list the missing 350 series cards after Ted gives me his data from his new purchases.<br /><br />150 Series:<br />Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves)<br />Bridwell (No Cap)<br />Chase (Pink)<br />Cobb (Bat On)<br />Davis (H. Davis on front)<br />Delehanty (Washington)<br />Donlin (Fielding)<br />Donlin (Seated)<br />Doolin (Doolan)<br />Griffith (Portrait)<br />Hahn<br />Herzog (NY)<br />Jennings (Portrait)<br />Joss (Portrait)<br />Kleinow (With Bat)<br />Lajoie (Portrait)<br />Lajoie (Throwing)<br />Lake (NY)<br />Lundgren (Chicago)<br />Mathewson (Portrait)<br />McGraw (No Cap)<br />McIntyre (Brooklyn)<br />Merkle (Portrait)<br />Nichols (Hands on knees)<br />Pelty (Horizontal)<br />Schmidt (Throwing)<br />Sheckard (No Glove)<br />Spencer<br />Stahl (No glove)<br />Stovall (Portrait)<br />Tenney<br />Waddell (Portrait)<br />Wagner (Left Shoulder)<br />Weimer<br />White (Portrait)<br />Willis (Pittsburg)<br />Wiltse (No Cap)<br />Young (Portrait)<br /><br />460 Series:<br />Chance (Batting)<br />Marquard (Follow thru)<br />Smith (Chicago/Boston)<br />Willis (With Bat)<br /><br />If anyone has any of these please email. Thanks, Bill Brown

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Joey Settle</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I have the Hal Chase blue portrait with the Sovereign 460 back. It is currently part of my set but would be willing to trade it to you for something to help you in your quest. Let me know via email and I will try to get some scans over to you if you are interested.<br /><br />Joey<br />

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BILL B<br /><br />In previous T206 Survey Threads we have proved that LUNDGREN (Cubs) exists only with<br /> Piedmont 150 or 350 backs and very rarely with an EPDG back....no Sovereign.<br /><br />I am convinced DONLIN (fielding) does not exist with a Sov 150 back.<br />And. I don't think SPENCER can be found with a Sov 150 or 350 back.<br /><br />Plus, there are many Minor Leaguers (350 Series) that do not exist with Sovereign backs.<br /><br />And, in the 460-only Series KLEINOW (Boston) and F. SMITH (Chi & Boston) do not exist<br /> with Sov 460 backs.<br /><br />You can add to your SS my CYoung (port) with a Sov 350 back, and my Chance (bat off)<br /> with a Sov 460 back.<br /><br />I'm still sorting thru all my T206's (I have over 1400 cards and 300+ are Sovereign): so, I<br /> will input my data to your SS within the week.<br /><br />TED Z

Sovereign "MIA" cards....tell us which ones ?
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>This Thread will now continue in the new SURVEY Thread.<br /><br />Thanks......TED Z