E90-3 Revisited (SCD Checklist adjustment)
 

Hi guys,

It's been about 5 or 6 years since we've had a thread talking about this set.

Anyone actively collecting it these days?

It's long been one of my favorites and it seems that though the popularity has died down a bit that they've also dried up. You don't see a ton of them for sale. You do see an occasional Schulte or Hofman which are a bit easier to find then other cards, but I don't see a lot of the other players come around.

One thing I'd like to comment on which is not groundbreaking but I think needs to be addressed is the tinker color variation. Though it can be found with blue (very rarely) and green backgrounds it should definitely not be included as part of the set as it was not purposely intended as a variation, but rather is an error.

The SCD lists all the players in the checklist and then the two tinkers.

We know now that many players have been found with color variations so I think the tinker needs to come out of the checklist once and for all.

For those that are interested, the players that I've seen with color variations are Dougherty, Smith, Cole, Payne, and Tinker. I've also heard tell of a Chance. Anyone seen any other players with two color backgrounds?

With the backs, it's interesting that the A.C. company went ahead and changed the backs (prudently) to say "all the star players" but left the "100 subjects" tag for E90-2 which is a similar spin off set.

With the fronts, although they share a similar design on the font tag line with E90-1, the lithography looks to be better quality in my opinion and the printers used only a limited number of colors.

Also curious for those who have "found" these cards out in the real world where you found them. I've found them out of the hobby in the midwest twice which lends a tiny bit of credibility to the cards being manufactured and/or distributed in the chicago area. There have also been reported finds on the west coast.

It's an interesting and beautiful set. Even 100+ years ago, the set documents the crosstown chicago baseball rivalry. It also captures the cubs last world series team.

Rob

my example

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Fresh to me from the latest B&L auction... You can see the green / blue overlay on the top edge...

Nice Archer. That's one of the tough cards in the set that I haven't been able to upgrade for some time.


With the Tinker, I love that example! You can not only see the blue, but also the yellow pass that creates the intended green background. Nice pickup!

Rob

Here you go Robert

Cmon Bob. Have mercy on me. :o

I thought it was a good trade at the time. Wow. Is there a smiley face that says, "i'm a flippin' idiot for trading that to bob?"

Just back from a quick stop in at the Chantilly show and Scott B had a pair of Dougherty color variations at his table.

I have always wondered why some some cards (especially Shulte) are commonly found in nice condition and others (Zeider comes to mind) are tough to find above "good" condition.

Hey Bruce,

Yeah, Scott's brown/grey color variation is super rare and pretty darn cool.

The others that I've seen are blue because they're missing yellow. If I remember correctly, Scott's is grey instead of brown?

Good point on the condition. Basically I've only seen a handful of cards from the set that are EX or better. You might remember that group a few years ago that sold on ebay that were really high grade.

I see Schulte and Hoffman in nicer (VG/EX) grades for some reason, but most of the other cards I find in "caramel condition." I have no idea why.

A lot of the cards were printed with bad registry:

http://photos.imageevent.com/caramel...3chance2_1.jpg

Really like this set but my interest hasn't reached critical mass to the point of pursuing it scorched earth style. Have seven (Overall, Sheckard, Zeider, Purtell, Hofman, Smith, Schulte); all low-end grades.

Nice Evers.


http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...20Overall1.jpg

A fair to middlin' pitcher...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1...E90-3front.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1...lE90-3back.jpg

Nice card Frank! Thanks for posting it.


Since everyone posted a different card, maybe we can finish the set with different posters?

13 more to go.

Someone had to post the pink background card.

Consensus?
 

So, what the specialists" consensus? Drop the green/blue variations for Tinker from the Big Book?

Hi Bob,

Here's another example to show you what I mean. It's silly to include all of them and silly to include just one. Maybe just a mention of the color variations in the set description?
Hope Bob Shannon that you're ok with me posting this from your SGC registry set?

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Robert's suggestion sounds reasonable, given the variety and degree of shading. I trust that Bob L. will figure it out.

And I still like that idea of us trying to post images of all of the E90-3s.

Aren't these like the 1949 Bowman slatebacks (the ones with grey backgrounds)?

Hi Barry,

Not sure about that. I don't know about new cards. :o

These color variations for this set are EXTREMELY rare (maybe a handful exist total).

Is that what that set is like?

Robert

Sheckascan
 

Here is my offering. I vote for mentioning in the SCD description the color variations that have been seen, but not include them in the actual listing. I also have a rather beat-up Tinker that is somewhere between green and blue, but the scan came up looking very dark green, so didn't include it.


Brian

lol...how sad is this.... Rob you posted my own card before me. I've been meaning to get that blue Payne up there for about a week now.... But anyway, that was going to be my contribution to this thread. I think that I might have a Hahn around somewhere too but those are my only two e90-3s at the present time....

Oh that's your blue payne now? :confused:

Great card! Hope it's ok that i posted it. I'd say most likely one of a kind card.

What do you think about the checklist Brian? You have loads of experience with this set.

Hey Rob!

Absolutely....like I was saying...I was planning on sharing that card anyway.

I don't agree with the way they've been handling the checklist for this set. I believe the checklist should be returned to it's original 20-card state. I think that when you make additional entries to a set it should be for "intended" variations. Additional entries for printing errors that are not actual variations on the cards is a mistake in my humble opinion. The fact that many of these errors only have one known example makes their inclusion on the checklist all the more silly.

So does this mean SCD removed the mention of the "Hofnlan" error card from it's checklist? That is another example of an error that has cropped up in recent years.

In each of the errors that I've seen, I really can't verify that more than one exists in any of these instances. So all of them have a high likelihood of being unique cards. Here is a quick list of what I've seen.....

1. The blue Tinker. Out of this list, this one seems to be the more likely to have a second example. I can't verify it though and the only one I can specifically recall right now is the one in Rob's collection

2. Grey Dougherty. Never heard of a second variation other than the one Scott has

3. Blue Smith. A really nice, bright blue SGC 30 Smith was sold on Ebay around a year ago I think. Sharp card....went for over $1100 if I recall

4. The Hofnlan caption - Freak printing error where I believe the letter "m" on the printing press actually broke to create a character that looks like an "nl" instead of an "m"

5. Blue Payne - This one's with me. Another that I've not seen more than one example of. Pretty rough example but neat none-the-less!

Hi Robert- sorry I took so long to respond, I forgot I posted here. The 1949 Bowman set has a number of cards that have gray backgrounds. They are generally cards that should have had a pastel background but missed at least one color pass.

Barry......re..GRAY background cards
 

Here some are some of the ones you are referring to. Color errors that did not get their final pastel color pass.
I have about 60 of these color error cards from the late 1940's Bowman sets.

<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/a49bcolorerrors.jpg" alt="[linked image]">



<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/49bslatesnidcampsisldoby.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

TED Z

My bad guy's I need to update my set registry.

Hiya Guys,

The E90-3 set is quite different than most E cards of the era - in regards to
the lthographic process. Very nice - one of my faves.

I have found that Overall and Walsh are tougher than most - omitting
color/shade variants or errors.

A while back, I had heard from another collector of the set state that
Archer was the toughest card in the set.

Many cards seem to be found pretty worn - not sure why, and out of
register.

I have a Blackburne, that appears to be printer's scrapp - really out of register - will get a scan up soon.

- Mark

Hey guys, I just picked up a raw collection with several caramel and tobacco cards. I found this thread and it has been extremely helpful on learning more about the e90-3s. There were 16 e90-3s in the collection and here are few scans. Its great being able to tap into everyone's knowledge here.

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...um/Overall.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...orium/Hahn.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...ium/Gandil.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...rium/Smith.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...um/Zeider2.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...ium/Zeider.jpg

Awesome collection of E90-3's!! What else was in that collection??

There were several e90-1s, e90-2s, e93s, e102s, t206s, t205s

Here's mine.
 

Archer....
 

I don't typically bump old threads like this but I thought it would be warrented in this case as I think I've come across a variation we hadn't mentioned previously.

Looks like this Archer (the one on the right) might have missed a color pass as well. Maybe a layer of orange perhaps? But this card, normally a rich brown color (as pictured on the left) came out pink. You can even see that color still exists in other places on the card, like his skintones and the chest protector.




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Very cool Brian!

Leave it to you to find another color variation...

Rob

Funny, this variation was out in plain sight the entire time. If you go to the e90-3 page on Old Cardboard, you'll see that in the gallery, this exact pink Archer is pictured there.... not sure how I missed that previously, I've visited that page at least a dozen times.