WOW!!! Yes it is.

Which means that PSA has now also missed...

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...and now we're up in the big bucks ($24,000):

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=53245

Wow. That one was mine. I bought it through REA in 2015. It had JSA authentication at the time, and I subsequently had PSA authenticate it.

Somebody should check the 2013 Heritage ones.

Wow, I am speechless. As someone who deals in autographs, this seriously makes my heart hurt. I currently only own one signed T206 , and the owner of it before me (board member) had it since the 1980's. I've always felt it was authentic but alas it never passed TPA. Now I see all of these recently created ones and it makes me sick to my stomach.

T206 Autos
 

This so bad for the hobby on so many levels. T206 autos are such a cool rarity. These are my two both bought from well known net54ers. Don't have any doubts, but if anyone wants to do detective work I would appreciate it.

Snodgrass is Polar Bear and Doyle is Sweet Cap 350-460 42 overprint.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4828/...7526b8a2_o.jpg

I am sure this goes well beyond T206’s. I was planning to bid on a few in the upcoming Memory Lane auction and of course now won’t even consider it.

I recently had the SGC put into a PSA holder. I believe the other is still JSA. Not sure when purchased. I've been a bad record keeper. I believe I have had the Piedmont for %+ years but the other is more recent- maybe last 2 years. Anyone have bad news for me??
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Your bottom left corner looks worse, but the right corner crease and, more convincingly, the center crease look spot on to this card.

Sold by sg713 on 02/22/2015
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Found on CardTarget

Sickening.

Wow, card #7.

This is the first one I've seen with added corner wear.

Same Buyer on the Baker. Sold by painthistorian on February 23 2015.

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Scott is a board member...perhaps he can sort back through emails/records and see who the buyer was.

That's Scott, maybe he can help on the buyer.

Horrible for the hobby and this clearly reflects badly on the TPAs, but this is great detective work. Fantastic team effort in exposing this.

The first 3 from Hunt are bad. Odds are so is the Zimmermann.

I have a bad feeling about these too. Fairly newly graded, red SGC label, and ball point pen signature on the Cicotte. The Marquards look like the one that opened pandoras box.

Cicotte was Hunt Auctions July 2018 (Sold for $11k) https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=222&lot_qual=
Marquards was Hunt Auctions March 2017 (Both sold for over $1k)

10-15 years ago it was rare to find a signed T206. Now they're all over the place and I don't know many people who didn't find this unusual. I've never bought one and never will for that reason, among many. There's too many frauds in this hobby as it is so you really need to stick to materials that can't be faked. And even then you need to worry about shill bidders, the Mastros of the world and their coconspirators. Best to avoid adding risk to an already risky hobby. And we've all been burned once at least so no one is above this.

All four are from the same submission number.

Seller: colleenscollect
Feb 22, 2015

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This can’t be that hard. Start with the auction houses since they have the most to lose. Ask who consigned the cards. If they refuse post their names here and I bet they will face losing a lot of business. They should be the most interested in solving this issue since it will diminish their realizations if this is not solved.
Clean Sweep sells a lot of autographed material. Steve Verkman should be leading the charge to catch these forgers.

The Zimmermann is very similar to this exemplar.

another try, my Crawfords, all now in PSA
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i bought the fake Flick from Hunt 2/24/16

Whelp I think I found the Cicotte one. There seems to be additional minor creasing and scuffs done to the autograph version, but as we saw with the Flick this forger likes to add a few new creases from time to time. The centering of the card on the front and back are identical. And the crease on the lower right side by his hand are identical. There is even an identical crease on the back in the sweet caporal border in the lower right side. The corners of the card are identical. And both have Fact. 30 backs. Not as concrete as when I found the Rhoades, but I'm 99% certain this is it. Take a look at the links to see for yourself.

This card went from a $65 card to a $11k card.

Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...eet-1817520994

Hunt Auctions link:
https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=222&lot_qual=

is anyone checking their 1933'S, exhibits, play balls, other tobacco, etc?

Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if TPGs put this much effort into authenticating?

Comparison

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4907/...a53f6d68_b.jpg

That scan is blurry so I can't tell for sure. I was looking at that same Cicotte card on Worthpoint earlier today and just wasn't 100% sure on it.

The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

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This is a full blown scandal now.

At this point, board members should insist that SGC, PSA, and JSA immediately search their records for all cert #'s submitted by this forger and issue an immediate hobby-wide recall notice on each cert, and post it here.

Looks like the same buyer also bought a Shaw, Murray, and a Crawford in the same transaction with Scott. UGH.

This is really shitty. I’m currently investigating several fabricated T206 errors that are graded and have sold for up to 11k at auctioN.

Agreed. And the auction houses which sold these frauds need to start contacting their consigners and the winners of these bad lots.

Chris, are you referring to ghost images and anomalies like that? If so, have you found anything yet (saw the Cobb ghost card).

I have found one faked ghost and am investigating another, just waiting on scans. It’s a big part of why I have taken a break and why I have started posting again.

My worry is they start buying privately or make modifications to the card (creases, dirt, ink, stamps) to differentiate it from any previous scans.

Not good.

Picked up this Marquard 2 months ago in PWCC, my only signed T206 HOFer. JSA LOA is a little over a year old, and it sold at Huggins shortly after. Similar slant to the originally posted Marquard, however slightly different sig.

If it's not genuine, curious if it may have previously sold in an A holder? Huggins had disclosed the card as being trimmed.

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THIS many 206 and nobody here has sold the buyer any?

Edit: Nevermind, I made a mistake with the Marquard

What do you guys think, same card? This was the closest I can find. But I don't think this is the same card because the border on the bottom is thicker....Unless this guy trims cards too. Yikes. However that signature looks a lot like the Marquard rejected signature that blew everything up.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1909-11-t206-rube-marquard-follow-419403623

This could really ruin JSA's reputation. I don't see how they never thought to do a quick background check of cards. Takes no time.

Thoughts on this one? This whole story is just crazy!

https://i.ibb.co/tsSbyhB/IMG-3058-1.jpg

Damn...had a great joke teed up and everything.

Yep, same card, and same ugly slanted black marker signature.

I'm running out of space on the thread title to add more names. This is the 9th, and the Cicotte is possibly the 10th.

Always wondered why we don’t see any attempts to forge a Shaw - he died in the 1970s and has six letters in his name! Wonder if it got rejected.

The Murray is highly relevant to me as I have one of those signed which I bought in Hunt (shown above).

The TPA's should know the name and location of this forger.

We hereby demand that they release his name so that he may be tarred and feathered on the public square for all to see.

This was in the Heritage Dec 2016 Auction. How the hell was this authenticated? Forgery or not, this doesn't look anything like Marquard's signature. Not even his supposed wife's signature.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/s...umbnail-071515

Truly stunning, both for the breadth of the forgeries and the impact on the hobby, but also stunningly awesome the research and evidence you guys are piling up.

Frankly, if I had an auction house, I would be in touch with you guys to see if you'd want a job.

A lot more has to happen to this forger, a lot more.
Great work here guys.
Manny, I sent you a PM.

Your Flick is unfortunately probably this one. Hard to tell though since it's blurry.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-psa-136547898

Notice that both have the one spec missing in the grass in the right. And you can even see the sliver of white missing in border in the top left. And the centering looks the same. Do you have a picture of the back?

Edit: Looks like you may be in the clear. I think I found the same card but with a clearer picture. I think the corners on your card are sharper and your centering top to bottom is a little different
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...mont-486696958

Card is in safety box. But the card you posted on Worthpoint looks to have more border on top

Yeah I agree.