Greg Morris
 

Like PWCC, I have suspected shill bidding on their auctions for quite some time. Insane prices for raw cards.

evidence?
 

This could get interesting.... In general, I am all for airing shilling concerns but I know Greg Morris has a good reputation with many on this board so it would be nice to have something more definite to work with than your mere accusation- like some evidence?

He is an advertiser but from everything I know about Greg Morris he would never shill bid. Could someone consign and somehow shill without his knowledge, of course. But I would like to see any evidence of shill bidding. He gets great prices because, from everything I have ever seen, he is honest.

I think at the least 661fish needs to put his full name under his post, no?

I have never bought from Greg Morris, and I really don’t know much about them. But - 661fish, your post takes balls (or no brains) and if you are going to publicly accuse someone of shill bidding, you need to put your full name under the post per the rules.

And since I effectively called you stupid, here is my full name (nice to meet you)

Ryan Hotchkiss

His name IS under his user ID.

Only part of his name is, unless Fi.tze is a normal last name.

Look, bottom line is that a rule of this board is to give your name if you make a disparaging comment. Mr. Fi.tze made such a comment and thus needs to put his name (or confirm that his last name has a period for the third letter).

I had fair results using him. I did not have any of the high bidders on his other consignments bid on my cards. That being said, I dont believe I have ever seen the cards relisted by GM or sold raw by any one else

Some people add dots, commas, or other things to their name so the bots don't gather their data. Not sure if it works but that is why it is done.

I will say Mr Morris has accurately graded raw cards. The other part is a matter of opinion on what you call shill bidding.

hi sean-
I see you are from California...
if you live in the los angeles area, this thread might interest you. :)

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=270388

I will say categorically, we have never, nor will we ever shill our auctions. If we see evidence of a consignor bidding on their own item or any type of suspicious activity whatsoever, that consignor will be prohibited from consigning again.

If the original poster has a concern about a particular auction or series of auctions, please tell me what those are so we have an opportunity to address it.

Greg

I have bought and consigned with Greg Morris. Happy on all business transacted with them.

Wondering what Se.an Fi.tze's basis is for suspecting shill bidding besides what he deems "insane prices for raw cards". Personally I do not think it is fair to make a post like this absent evidence. Seems irresponsible and reckless as it could harm a reputation that a company worked hard to get.

Someone being successful really should not be a justification to make a post of this nature.

Just curious: do you look on your own (proactively) or only inspect questionable patterns (reactively)? Do you ever cross-check your bidders against the consignors?
I'm glad to see your policy differs heavily from PWCC's "you are allowed to bid on and even win your own items as long as you intend to pay for them" policy.

I have never suspected Greg Morris Auctions of shilling. Rather, I attribute the performance of higher grade raw cards to those who speculate that a given raw card could be an 8, 9, or whatever. Because all high grade raw cards just have to be destined for plastic slabs. [emoji849][emoji853]

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Much nicer than telling him to go pound sand, which would've been justified.

I have bought from Greg Morris many many times and I have zero doubt that they are NOT shill bidding. They have a huge following and they have customers spending good money on what is mostly quality cards. I know I have frequently bid above what I wanted to spend on some of the cards I have bought from them. In several cases, I had run up other bidders high bid because I pushed a card to my spending limit and somebody else bid higher. In addition to great cards being offered, their service is top notch. I can win a card one night and wait to pay for three or four days as I have other bids I am hoping to win and if I am successful they will combine shipping on all the lots I have won in the last week.

Shill bidding with Greg Morris.....nah...I am not seeing it.

I suspect you are a serial killer. No evidence, just a suspicion.

Thank you for the question. In the interest of transparency, I want to provide some information about our process.

We have three main ways of checking for suspicious activity on consigned cards:

First, we spot-check active auctions when prices seem to be getting much higher than we anticipated. We're also fortunate to have a very engaged customer base, and will often get messages if there are concerns about a specific auction, which allows us to check it out.

Second, we monitor bid retractions through messages that eBay sends us or if someone raises a concern. If we come across an account that has suspicious retractions we report them to eBay and block them.

Third, we look at unpaid wins on all consigned cards. If we connect an unpaid card with a consignor, the consignor is banned. The most challenging type of activity to detect is of course the possibility that a consignor could win cards through a proxy and then pay for them, which we also prohibit.

Lastly, please keep in mind that the three issues I discussed above have many nuances to them. I just wanted to give an overview.

Thank you to everyone who has voiced support for my business. I take accusations like this very seriously. I welcome the opportunity to defend myself, so if anyone has a specific auction they want to address, please message me. I'm not claiming we have a perfect system, and we can always do better, but I truly believe that we do an effective job at making sure our auctions are on the up and up.

Thanks, Greg. Looks like you're doing the right things.

It's almost amusing that a guy has to defend himself when he has customers who are happy to pay good prices for his merchandise. The simplest explanation is that Greg has good stuff, treats people well, has built and earned a large customer base who trust him, and that customers are willing to pay for good quality and service.

Well, it does seem bizarre when cards he accurately describes as NM-MT and wouldn't grade higher by PSA (as far as I can tell) get bid up to PSA 9 prices, despite being raw. I know that's when it has been alleged in the past. Either his customers are bad at grading for themselves, or don't know the "right" card values, some of the auction prices are head-scratchers.

Greg, how many cards have you sold to Moser and the other 12-ish trimmers outed in the hobby this year? Do you still have the front and back scans you could provide to the blowout guys to help them find more fraudulently slabbed cards?

Greg, thank you for the great response.

My transactions with Greg Morris have all been positive. The service has been top notch and I have been happy with the cards received.
As for shill bidders I understand that they can drive a price higher, but I bid at the end of an auction with a price I am willing to pay nothing more. If I win, great. If i don't, I just move on. If a shill bidder drives me to my max bid so be it, but I will not try to out bid them.

I'll just add that I've purchased quite a few cards from GMC, though no really high $$ ones. Mostly cards to help finishing up a couple of sets.

I have found Greg's grading to be consistent, accurate and as good if not better than any other seller on eBay. And as another poster mentioned, I frequently take advantage of his 'one shipping fee (usually $3) for for any cards won within a seven day period'.

Yes, he gets strong prices for highly graded cards, but I attribute that to the confidence that his customers have in his business. That the card is graded accurately, shipped securely, and without hassle.

N of 1, but right after Baines made the Hall and his PSA 9s were selling up near 200, I bought a raw one graded by Greg as NM MT or better (it was) for around 30.

I apologize to Greg Morris. I have bought many cards from them and for the most part grading was right on, sometimes a little overgraded, but a lot more consistent than PSA. They do get a premium for raw cards. So yes, I have been suspicious and did assume. I think back to when an exmt 57 Mantle sold for over 2k. That had made me suspicious. Again my apologies to Greg Morris.

Gmc
 

I think people need to be WAY more responsible of throwing out accusations/ideas out there based on scant "evidence", "hunches", etc. Imagine as a seller if you spent a ton of sweat equity building a strong reputation but a poster can just toss your name in the ring as a potential bad actor? It's just not fair, and would bother me big time.

I agree 100%!

Just my two-cents worth ...
 

I’ve only bid on cards in Greg’s auctions six times.The outcome of those auctions were pretty much discussed on the board and all I can say is that Greg’s actions and reactions were not those of a dishonest or unscrupulous business man. Yes, Greg’s cards sell well. Seems all cards sell well now. But he is one of the good guys, doing his best to keep card collecting, whether a hobby or a business for the rest of us, enjoyable for everyone involved.

I have bought many cards from Greg Morris and have never suspected shill bidding. Their raw grading usually comes back from PSA as they described. I continue to buy from Greg Morris as well.


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Very well said!

Gmc
 

I have bought a few raw cards from GMC and have been totally satisfied with the transactions. One of the better sellers on ebay.

I bid/buy a lot of cards from Greg Morris and have a relatively high bid percentage with them. Why?

I do a lot of 50’s/60’s set building and he does multiple set breaks of the same set in a given week. He gives me a week to make as many purchases as I want and charges me the same shipping rate. So when I open the Greg Morris (can of worms) as I like to call it, I bid on a ton of stuff that week. I’m also willing to pay 10-15% more with them because I always get an accurate grade, combined shipping, and the convenience of looking at the cards I need in a given break in number order etc.

I’ve paid less with other sellers and done well. I’ve also been burned on false advertising of condition and will pay more with Greg Morris.

I’ve never consigned with them, retracted a bid, or returned an item.

Thanks Greg for being a great eBay seller.

In the last few months I have bought a number of cards to sets I’m working on and didn’t feel that I overpaid to get them. Granted most of these were commons under $5 but even the stars I bought I thought I got at a good price.

Bob

I am honest and my prices suck...lol (at least for me....I am sure for buyers that they are great).

This....this is more than likely the cause. The combined flat rate shipping option is huge.

I was introduced to Greg Morris from the banner on this board and have bought many cards from him and every single time I have left him the highest feedback. Like others have said, he allows you to bid on auctions for a week, combines shipping and his shipping costs are fantastic, particularly for us up in Canada. Accusations without evidence is dangerous and the bar should be set high and Peter Spaeth is an excellent example of providing evidence. I was so impressed with everyone's response I just wanted to add my support to Greg. To Sean I just want to say thank you for the apology. To me it shows integrity.

This is a fantastic forum, thanks Leon!

My 2 cents.
If the original post (#1) was made without adequate basis, you should revise it to reflect this fact.
I acknowledge that many will read the posts down to #25, but some may not.

I agree. This is fd up if completely unfounded with no evidence. His name in subject line? Ufta..

Thanks Greg, If you weren't in CA, I would have considered buying from you more than I did. Buying high$ cards living in CA from you was not in the cards... "Get it, in the cards, I made a funny boy. Listen to me when I'm talkin to you"

I'm not buying another card in my lifetime so you were right to block me when I told you I wasn't paying the 10% CA tax. Thanks again for the memories.

I would like to add I never felt shill bidded on your auctions like I did Brent Mastro's.

I’m not sure how big Greg’s market is in Canada but the $3.00 shipping for as many cards as I end up buying can’t be beat. Saved a lot of cash and I’m willing to pay more for the cards.

I got what I considered a great price on a high end hockey card a while back and though some of the prices are sky high there are also deals to be had.

As a Topps era set builder, I have made hundreds if not a thousand purchases from GMC and have always been satisfied. More accurate and consistent graders than the TPG companies and a lot better customer service and shipping services. I have never observed any shady bidding practices just a large following of collectors who sometimes big high on a card they really want and then someone else comes along who wants it even more. Example: some followers seem to love the 1964 Mike Joyce card and over buy 3xs value; no one is shill bidding all of these but several folks seem to really want them.

GMC simply the bets option for set and subset builders. Thanks for making it easy on our dying breed.

I agree. I have purchased many cards from GM and I am always pleased when I receive my cards.

Like I said sometime ago, if and when the time ever comes to consign my collection, GM will likely be the place that I send them too.

Imo, many places could learn from GM.