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Posted By: <b>Damian</b><p>I have the opportunity to buy an original photo dated 10/8/54 of Roberto Clemente, Bob Thurman, and an unknown player. The trio are posed left to right with unknown, Thurman, and Clemente in their Santurce (I think I have the spelling correct ) uniforms from Puerto Rico. The photo is in nice shape framed and matted. What would a photo like this be worth. Side note is that the photo is signed by Thurman. Thanks for you help.<br /><br />Damian

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>The value of a photo is based much on the quality of the image-- artistry, clarity, etc.<br /><br />Original "Pre-rookie" photos of players, such as a young Clemente in Puerto Rico uniform or Mickey Mantle in the minors, are generally desirable and scarce. I can promise you that there are a many, many times more original photos showing Clemente in Pittsburgh Pirates uniform than in a Puerto Rican uniform.

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Posted By: <b>andy</b><p>Not sure about the value of the photo but that was a great team. This pinback is from 1949-53 - One article I read said these line-ups were among the best ever put together. Mays was also on the team with Clemente.<br /><img src=http://home.rcsis.com/abowers/minsanturce.jpg><br />

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Posted By: <b>Damian</b><p>Andy,<br /><br />That pin is in really nice shape. Do you know what "Cangrejeros" translates to. I have trouble with English let alone Spanish.

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Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>My understanding is that it means "Crabs." Ebbets Field Flannels makes a throwback jersey. It looks just like a Dodgers uniform, but like the Cardinals, it also has a bat on it. Instead of Redbirds, two crabs sit perched on the bat ...

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Posted By: <b>andy</b><p>Crabs is correct. Do you mind sharing what the asking price is on the photo you may acquire? I'm just curious.

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>"Cangrejeros" is actually "Crabbers". <br /><br />The photo is from right before the start of the 1954-55 season. The other player could obviously be anyone on the team, but since Clemente and Thurman were both stars, the other player was probably also a star. Here are the most likely possibilities:<br /><br />* If it's a black guy with glasses, it's probably George Crowe (#17).<br /><br />* If it looks like Willie Mays, it's probably Willie Mays (#24). <br /><br />* If it's a black guy with a rounder, almost chubby face, it's probably Buster Clarkson (#33). I can't remember an image of him with his hat pulled down low, so the hat should sort of be pointing up a bit and be kind of high on his forehead. <br /><br />* If it's a smaller Hispanic guy with kind of big ears that looks like that Giants pitcher on those 1950's Topps cards, it's probably Ruben Gomez (#22). <br /><br />Crowe, Mays and Clarkson, along with Clemente and Thurman, made up Puerto Rico's Murderer's Row. The 1954-55 Santurce team may have had the best lineup in the history of the league. Gomez was the ace of the pitching staff. <br /><br />Those are the most likely candidates. Here are a few more, but they are less likely than the 4 above:<br /><br />#12 Dick Seay<br />#14 Valmy Thomas<br />#18 Bill Greason<br />#32 Monchile Concepcion<br />#37 Sam Jones<br /><br />Hope that helps, <br /><br />-Ryan

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Posted By: <b>Bobw</b><p>A photo and caption from a latin baseball site on the Internet<br /><br />Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente, Buster Clarkson, Bob Thurman and George Crowe known as "Panic Squadron" of the Santurce team that won the Caribbean World Series in 1955 in Venezuela.<br /><br /><img src=http://members.aol.com/bobw357/crabbers.jpg>

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Posted By: <b>Damian</b><p>That's a hell of a lot of interesting info on the Cangrejeros. I had no idea there was such a team let alone that it was loaded with such talent. May have opened up a whole new can of interest for me. I will take your info and try to determine who the third unknown is. To the question of price, I'd rather ask what a low to high range would be to pay for the item. Thanks all.<br /><br />Damian

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Posted By: <b>Damian</b><p>I have pitures of the photo I took with my mother's digital camera and had her e-mail them to me. I don't know how to get them from the e-mail to post here. When I try to save them to my computer to post they appear as a bunch of computer jargon as apposed to pictures. If anyone knows how to post them I can forward them the e-mail and they could post. Any help is appreciated as I would like opinions as well as help identifing the third player in the pic. Thanks.<br /><br />Damian

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Damian, <br /><br />I'll take a look if you e-mail the pic to ryan@cubanbaseballcards.com <br /><br />-Ryan

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Posted By: <b>andypcl</b><p>Let's see if this works...<br /><img src=http://home.rcsis.com/abowers/damiancardshow001.jpg><br /><img src=http://home.rcsis.com/abowers/damiancardshow003.jpg>

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Posted By: <b>andypcl</b><p>That's a great pic,

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Posted By: <b>Damian</b><p>Just when I think I am beginning to be friends with my computer, I find out it doesn't like me as much as I thought. I really appreciate you taking the time to post those for me. Opinions anyone on value and who is the player on the far left?<br /><br />Damian

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Damian, <br /><br />I just sent you an e-mail about your photo. That's Artie Wilson with Thurman an Clemente. <br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br />