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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1193079393.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1193079406.JPG"> <br /><br />In September,1863, Harry Wright organized a benefit in Hoboken, New Jersey, to raise money for the St. George's Cricket Club. Known as the Grand Match, fans could gain admission to the games (both cricket and baseball games were scheduled) for 25 cents; but for 50 cents, they would receive an admission ticket that included a photograph of one of four prominent cricket players. This group of four CdV's, which included Harry Wright, father Sam Wright, Crossley, and Hammond, are the first set of collectable cards issued in America. To date there are six known poses- two each of Crossley and Hammond, and one each of the Wrights.<br /><br />The example pictured above is the fifth one publicly known - there have been three Crossleys (encompassing both poses), one Hammond, and one Harry Wright- which has been offered for sale. I know of no Sam Wright in any collection, although I have seen a copy of it in the Spalding Collection at the New York Public Library. This most recent example was brought to light by a family in the mid-west, and it is always exciting to find something new of this rarity and significance. Thought the board would like to see it.<br /><br />And incidentally, while the cricket matches were played, the scheduled baseball game was rained out and cancelled.

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Posted By: <b>Chris Ahart</b><p>that's a great image. Nice to know the history behind it!

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Found in the midwest huh? Please don't tell me I was 5 minutes late to the garage sale down at the end of my block. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />We want more details Barry!!!!

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>Very cool. Thanks for sharing.<br /><br /><br />When those others were offered for sale, do you know what kind of money they brought? Just curious.<br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Dan- when I went to pick it up, I think that was you I saw down the block. Were you wearing a red shirt?

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>You weren't by chance driving a LeBaron once owned by John Voight were you?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hi Eric- actually I do, since I have now handled three of the five.<br /><br />REA got the first one of Harry Wright, and it went for 82K. However, while they did a fair amount of research, they mistakenly called it the first baseball card, perhaps unaware of the cricket context.<br /><br />Mastro got the second one, identical to this pose, but it was labelled Hammond. Nevertheless, it went for 19K.<br /><br />I sold a pair, both Crossley and Hammond, in March, 2005 for 15K each. It was not an auction but a fixed price list.<br /><br />This new example will be in my January auction. Time will tell whether it will sell for more or less than it has previously. It's very esoteric and as such hard to predict.

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>Thanks Barry. It's definitely an interesting card. I'd love to have something like that in my collection.....even if it is from cricket.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>That was me Dan! But Jon Voight bit me, I still have the teeth marks to prove it! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Actually, it was mailed to me. I didn't travel to get it.

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Hi Barry,<br />Always great to have a nice new find! Sorry for the short post we are all over on Lee Behrens post becaue we are more intrested in off topic posts then cards!!! LOL<br />Come join us for some riveting conversation!!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I'm already there Al. I'm not touchy- if that thread gets more posts than mine, then the majority rules!

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>This card is very cool....I better stop there <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Corey R. Shanus</b><p>So this set constitutes the first known cricket cards? Or first known cricket tickets?

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>If the Wright's had not gone on to help with the formation of our American pastime would these tickets be worth anywhere near what they are now?<br /><br />edited to add a word that I left out.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Corey- at this point, anything that's rectangular, made of cardboard, and can fit in the palm of your hand is a card! How's that for a definition? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Dan- that's a fascinating question that can be answered in a few different ways. They stand by themselves as cricket cards/tickets (hi Corey), and their history is what it is, Harry Wright notwithstanding.<br /><br />But because cricketeer Harry Wright became baseball pioneer Harry Wright, they have certainly gained stature among the baseball crowd.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I suppose a similar question could be asked about he CDV's of Abner Doubleday.

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Posted By: <b>Corey R. Shanus</b><p>Assuming we are calling cdvs cards, that would be the oldest known soldier card.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Corey, I think that ship sailed a long time ago - calling CdV's cards that is. If it fits in a slab it's a card.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>While Doubleday had nothing at all to do with baseball, he still is a part of the folklore.<br /><br />And I can't tell you how many people still get it wrong. How many articles are out there with phrases such as "Abner Doubleday never would have believed such and such about the game of baseball today", or something along those lines.

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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />I just noticed that the Jordan & Co. logo is upside down on this example. Is that the case with all the others that you have seen?

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>"Deeply embedded in the folklore of American sports is the story of baseball's supposed invention by a young West Point cadet, Abner Doubleday, in the summer of 1839 at the village of Cooperstown, New York. The yarn originated in 1907, in the final report of a committee commissioned by major league executives to inquire into the origins of "America's National Game." <br /><br />The claim that the game was invented by the late Doubleday, who also won enduring fame as a Union general in the Civil War, was based on the dubious testimony of Abner Graves, a retired mining engineer. Indeed, Graves claimed to have actually witnessed the long-ago event. The Graves account appealed to committeeman Albert G. Spalding, a former star player and club owner, and concurrently a famous sporting goods tycoon and a fervently patriotic American. <br /><br />He persuaded his colleagues to accept the Doubleday invention account without further ado. With the release of the final version of the committee's report, the legend of baseball's immaculate conception began to worm its way into American mythology. Ever since then, sports historians have repeatedly and futilely assailed the Doubleday account, arguing that Abner Doubleday never visited Cooperstown in 1839, that his diaries contain no reference to the game, and that the form of baseball he supposedly invented far too closely resembled the game as it was played in the early 1900s. <br /><br />Indeed, sports historians have marshaled impressive evidence showing that American baseball, far from being an independent invention, evolved out of various ball-and-stick games that had been played in many areas of the world since the beginnings of recorded history. Among many suggested precursors of baseball, a Russian ball-and-stick game called lapta was recently advanced by propagandists in the last years of the Soviet empire. But in early America, precursors of baseball included informal games of English origin such as paddleball, trap ball, one-old-cat, rounders, and town ball. The latter was a popular game in colonial New England and was played by adults and children with a bat and ball on an open field. -- David Voigt<br />"<br /><br /><br /><br />Daniel

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>This is the one I sold (pre-slab).<br />This example came from an album in California.<br />Interesting that both show the Jordan imprint upside down.<br /><br /><a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd189/jimmycoll/gmh.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Always great to hear the history of some of these historically important baseball items. Barry is always like an open book!<br /><br />1863 - 1865 was, to me, the single most important period for the spread of base ball. Just as this card shows, cricket and many similar ball games were transitioning with the relatively new game of base ball. The civil war (1861 - 1865) was the biggest virus that spread the base ball addiction. In particular, in early 1864 there was an unusually warm period during February and March. Civil War soldiers always went into winter quarters from around November to March due to the difficulties of waging war during the winter. Boredom ensued. When this early warm weather hit, many of the New York (the real originating city of base ball) soldiers broke out their base balls and bats and showed their fellow soldiers the game of base ball. Soon there were games between companies and regiments. These soldiers took the knowledge of the game home with them after the war ended and it spread like wildfire. I have had many civil war diaries and letters that mention these games that were played in early 1864. Likewise, I have letters noting the transition of the cricketeers to base ball as well (see below). <br /><br />Sorry if I digress.<br /><br />Rob M.<br /><br />From the letter below: “Perhaps you may be interested in knowing that “The Plymouth Rock Cricket Club” has been turned into “the Plymouth Rock Base Ball Club” where at “Ben” is quite dissatisfied. Most of us think that rather a better game then cricket and we play the New York game.”<br /><br /><img src="http://home.kc.rr.com/ramram/Base%20Ball%20letter%201863.jpg"><br /><img src="http://home.kc.rr.com/ramram/Base%20Ball%20letter%201863%20a.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>Btw, Barry I think there are two Sam Wright's at the NYPL.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Ummm...I just want to state for the record that I have been aware for a verrrry long time now that Doubleday had nothing to do with baseball. My example was more along the lines of him being a part of the folklore of baseball.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Gorgeous card, Barry. Great discovery.<br /><br />Here's Abner Doubleday in his baseball uniform. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><img src="http://www.swingbattaswing.com/page1/files/page1-1000-full.jpg"><br /><br />-Al<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jimmy answered the question- only that pose has the Jordan ad upside down. The others are rightside up. No explanation why.<br /><br />And the NYPL may have two Wrights- I'll take your word for it, but just don't remember. I researched them there when I got the first two.

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>Barry, when I visited the NYPL to research the CDV I went looking for the St. George's Cricket Club register of play that the '22 spalding collection booklet had listed, but it was missing.<br /><br />I think I asked about it in a controversial thread about the stolen pieces from the NYPL collection a few weeks ago.<br /><br />Do you remember seeing that St. George's register at one point?

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy W.</b><p>Isn't this the Crossley that was on Ebay back around early September? Looks like a win-win situation for the seller & Barry. Needless to say, if the original Ebay seller had let the auction go they would have missed out on the true value.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Speaking of which...anyone remember what happened to the cabinets of..was it Harry or George Wright??? that were on ebay and ended early a year or so back? I think they were found in Denver...anyone know what became of them?

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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Just wondered if perhaps the upside down logo was some kind of stamp placed on each card/ticket at a different time then the rest of the printing. Perhaps the tickets had been printed up advertising the games, and then at a later time, Jordan & Co. (not sure what kind of business they were) decided to be a sponsor, and had their logo stamped onto the backs? It even looks like the logo could be a slightly different color from the rest of the printing. A bit greener? Not sure about that. Musings.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jimmy- I did see the journal. I had to go downstairs to a different room. I remember seeing in the ledger an expense account, or something to that effect, for the game (or did I see the microfilm of it- gee, it's tough getting older and trying to remember these things).<br /><br />Jeremy- yes, this was the one that was on ebay in September. I actually emailed the seller insisting that she shouldn't sell it early, as she was getting non-stop offers to shut down. She emailed me back that she would leave it up, then a day or two later it disappeared. I emailed and asked her why, and she said she just decided to keep it. I think all the offers made her nervous.<br /><br />I then befriended her and sent her a good deal of information regarding the card. We communicated regularly after that, and she ultimately asked me if I would sell it for her. She knew nothing about getting it authenticated, so we are already one step ahead of the game.<br /><br />I gave her a link to this site and invited her to come on if she chooses.

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy W.</b><p>I'm not sure but I think I remember seeing it in a recent large auction. Can't be sure which one though.

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>Andrew Jordan was the photographer.<br />Usually the photographer's imprint came stamped in the card mount from the vendor before any albumen print was pasted on it.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I think Jordan and Co. made up the CdV's. Don't know if they were the photographer, but probably did print up the admission ticket on the reverse.<br /><br />Jimmy-could they have employed both a photographer for the front, and a printing company for the back?

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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Jimmy,<br />Understood. So the printing on the reverse that advertised the game, as well as the albumen photo, would have post-dated the photographer's imprint. I guess on at least two examples, they didn't care that the mounting was upside down. Thanks.

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy W.</b><p>Dan, the George Wright cabinet was in this spring's REA auction (Lot #20).

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>Great question Barry.<br />Maybe the back imprints were printed after the albumens were pasted. (Not sure if this is possible)<br />The Crossley's were the only ones not carefully placed in the press after Jordan sent the mounted photographs?<br /><br /><br />Here's some related stuff from Harry Devine's book on Harry Wright.<br /><br /><a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd189/jimmycoll/stgeorge1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a><br /><a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd189/jimmycoll/stgeorge2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>So the book suggests they did get in a baseball game, but it didn't sound very competitive. Six guys going after a fly ball and dropping it isn't exactly first rate.

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>Yes Barry, very strange since the newspaper copies I researched never mentioned the baseball game being played.<br /><br />As you said, since it wasn't exactly a first rate game, they didn't even care to print it in the news.<br /><br />And looks like "Little Georgy" wasn't exactly an angel back then...searching for the ball under the women skirts...<br /><br /><a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd189/jimmycoll/Item_3509_1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I owned that George Wright CdV at one time. It has the Jordan & Co. imprint, but no admission ticket. Too bad about that, but he was only 16 years old at the time.

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>Barry, trip to Oklahoma?<br><br>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>How did you guess Oklahoma? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />No, I didn't go. Downtown Brooklyn is about my limit.

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>I have it on good authority that you make it to Manhattan. Congrats on getting the card for your auction, I'm sure the consignor will do much better than if she had accepted one of those end it now offers or even if she had let it run on ebay.<br><br>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Thanks Elliot...yeah, Manhattan I can handle.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Rob M.- I meant to get back to you but forgot amid all the questions.<br /><br />1863-65 may have been a good time for soldiers to be playing baseball, but the organized game took a hiatus as many of the leading players went off to war. Post-1865 was a boom period for teams organizing clubs, and I always felt 1867 was one of those key years.

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy W.</b><p>Barry, you owned that George Wright piece, how on earth did you sell something like that? I'm assuming you must have moved past your collecting days at that point?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeremy- the stuff I've sold over the years would make for one amazing collection. I still have a small one, with a few very nice things, but I rarely buy anymore. I think those days have passed.

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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>Re Doubleday/Graves, didn't Graves at the time claim to be in possession on the actual ball that was used by Doubleday? Claimed to have had it stored in his attic. Even 100 years ago, dubious items were being discovered in attics, if I'm remembering the story correctly.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Yes, it was Graves, and he was very eccentric and far from a credible witness to the birth of the game. I believe he hailed from Denver.

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy W.</b><p>After seeing your 1869 Nationals of Albany photo I guess I can see where your collecting days have stopped. It's just a good of place as any that I can think of.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Barry, what sort of things do you have left in your collection? Can you post scans?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeremy- 1867 Albany.<br /><br />Jeff- I have no scans. I have some display pieces on the walls and some rare books. I've gotten rid of virtually everything else. Sometimes I think about all the great things I've passed along, and then I decide it's best not to think about them too hard.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I understand.

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>I actually own the Jordan & Co. Wright today. So kudos to Barry for not hording.

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy W.</b><p>There's something to be said for passing things along.

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>Except now I will be hording it.

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy W.</b><p>kind of a bummer.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I guess in the end it has been a business for me. If I had kept everything over the years I would have had one of the really great collections, but it simply was impossible. Life often has other priorities.

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Barry,<br />You are so right about that last statement!!!!

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Posted By: <b>martha</b><p>It is very interesting reading everyone's comments....imagine listing something on eBay and immediately getting numerous "Buy it now offers" for several thousands of dollars." Doing immediate research enabled me to know of the series of cards - I was just not sure of the name of the player that I had. Barry wrote to me after the stopping of the auction and assured me it was Crossley. To be quite honest I was never nervous - just wanted to make sure I had all the facts about the card. I had in fact talked with another auction house about having them handle the card (Barry knew nothing about that). Another ebayer was trying to get me to the best situation. I will give Barry much credit for being so exact in his communications - he has been great. <br />Now the facts about the card. It is actually owned by my future son-in-law. He was putting some CDV's on eBay in order to come up with a downpayment on a vehicle for my daughter. He was using my eBay account. After all the buy-it-now offers starting coming in we knew something was up with the card. He purchased the card from someone in Texas outside of Dallas. In the batch of photos (from an album) was this CDV. Most of the photos were taken in New York and the album was of the Ray family. The most ironic thing I think is that there were 98 photos and he purchased them for $50 making each one with a cost basis of 50 cents - the original cost of the CDV in 1863. Barry has now had the CDV authenticated - we didn't have much doubt about that - and we will be looking forward to the auction. <br />As to the discussion about Abner Doubleday - I also have the exact CDV that someone pictured in this forum except for the fact it has been trimmed at the bottom and the photo is a much clearer image without spots. The one imaged by my research was sold by Robert Edwards Auction for over $400. So if anyone is interested...lol. <br />If you have any other questions or comments I would love to hear them.<br />Again - my hats off to you, Barry - you have been great.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hi Martha- glad you came on the board and shared some stories. As you said, some of this I am hearing for the first time.

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Posted By: <b>martha</b><p>I knew you would appreciate knowing "the rest of the story"!!!

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Thanks for coming on the board and sharing your story. How could I have missed those things? I live in the Dallas area!! So did ya'll try to get them for any better of a price? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>martha</b><p>Nope - Jason found it as a buy-it-now for $50. It was in a bunch of other pictures from an album that was pretty much destroyed on eBay. It was listed as a "lot of 98 antique photos" without individual pictures. Jason works as a 911 dispatcher and gets off at midnight....it had just come on as a buy-it-now when he got home and he purchased it at about 2 in the morning...lucky him don't you think. Makes me want to stay up all night. Of course one could stay up looking for those things and never have that happen ever again. I told him to just enjoy the fact that it happened once.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Now that part of the story I didn't know...he found the album on ebay, bought it without any idea what was inside, and received a major rarity! I have to tell you, there are guys who are on ebay all day long scouring for hidden treasures and they never find anything that good.

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Posted By: <b>martha</b><p>Barry,<br />I am sitting here talking with Jason - and he said that when he got the pictures he obviously didn't know what he had...and was in his possession for 6 months before listing it....he was just hoping to get his $50 back...but he did think it looked like he was holding a baseball. Of course through this process as you know we have both become more knowledgeable....lol

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>It's a really great story!

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Hi Martha,<br /><br />What a great, great story. I have to ask one question of Jason. Thinking that these photos were only worth about 50 cents apiece, was there any time in the 6 months he had them that he considered giving one or all away, using one as a bookmark, or even just throwing them away as not worth the trouble? Heck, even using some of them as coasters? <br /><br />It seems like there may have been a few close calls in that six months!<br /><br />Joann<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>How were the names of these cricketeers obtained? How about the year (1863)?<br /><br />Rob M.

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Posted By: <b>martha</b><p>We are laughing about the coaster comment - Jason said no coasters, but he did think about putting them in the spokes of his bicycle!!!<br /><br />Apparently there is much documentation about the cards - the number sold of which card etc....Barry had done lots of research so he would be the best one to answer those questions.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Rob- there have been newspaper articles found discussing the match, and the four players were identified in the article. We know what Harry and Sam Wright look like, and there is one other known photo of Crossley (which also includes Harry Wright and Henry Chadwick). I've yet to find another picture of Hammond, but we can identify him by process of elimination.<br /><br />And while the newspaper article is from 1863, there is another very easy way to date this. Not only do we know the matches were held Sept 16,17, and 18, but we know the days of the week- Wed, Thurs, and Fri. If you go to a perpetual calendar, the only time in that era those days and dates coincided were 1857, 1863, and 1868 (a leap year). The first one is clearly too early, the latter clearly too late as both Wrights were involved inorganized baseball in other cities (and George would have been 21, too old for his Jordan & Co. photo).

New Hobby Find: 1863 Jordan & Co. CdV of Crossley
 

Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Or you could probably use the Mayan calendar.<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

New Hobby Find: 1863 Jordan & Co. CdV of Crossley
 

Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>Hi Rob, here's the picture Barry is talking about. (or at least the only one I know of)<br /><br /><a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd189/jimmycoll/stgeorge.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>

New Hobby Find: 1863 Jordan & Co. CdV of Crossley
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Yes Jimmy- that's it. And it's a gorgeous image. It's a cricket photo with two baseball hall of famers!

New Hobby Find: 1863 Jordan & Co. CdV of Crossley
 

Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Wow! Where's that image been hiding?<br /><br />Rob M.

New Hobby Find: 1863 Jordan & Co. CdV of Crossley
 

Posted By: <b>martha</b><p>Well obviously I am no expert, but I found that image when trying to research the card in an Early Baseball History book. As a matter of fact I scanned that picture to Barry when I was trying to ID the CDV. I also found some old newspaper articles from 1863 mentioning Crossley. One of them mentioned that he was the groundskeeper....hence the nice looking tan!

New Hobby Find: 1863 Jordan & Co. CdV of Crossley
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Martha- you are a very good researcher! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

New Hobby Find: 1863 Jordan & Co. CdV of Crossley
 

Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>There's an example of this picture in the Spalding Collection, not sure if there are others.