T206 Honus Wagner - Not For Sale
 

Hey everyone,

I want to apologize. I made a mistake and the card is not for sale. I should not have posted anything and I apologize again.

Thanks,

Dylan

Please show us a scan.

Dylan

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My email is T206@att.net

The gentleman sent me the pic, here it is, 715K and it’s yours.

It's the #4 Wagner in the T206resource Wagner gallery.

Darn the luck. I just cashed out my 401k to buy a PMG Jordan green. C’est la vie.

But welcome to the Board, and good luck with the sale.

won’t last long

It’s lasted for over a year. So yeah lasted long.


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Here it is.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...6-wagner-sale/

Just curious as to what part was altered and how you reverse a restoration.

My bad 4+ years.


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I just want to be able to say I commented on a T206 Wagner For Sale thread.

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T 206 Wagner
 

Trades ?

You know what, this is history, me too!

It's a relative bargain. I just want to know what the shipping charge is going to be? And I might remind everyone of the caveat emptor nature of our board. I am not saying anything bad about this listing. It is always caveat emptor on our board whether it is a 1 dollar card or a Wags at 715k.

Maybe it's because I'm super cynical and skeptical about everything, but how do you have such an expensive card and not know how to take a picture or scan of it? It's 2019 and you certainly must have deep pockets and resources, no? It's not hard to take a picture of a card. Sorry to be a jerk.

Once again, I apologize the card is not for sale.

You own a large music memorabilia auction house with it's own website and social media accounts and you can't even post a scan of the Wagner you're selling from a new account? Your company is closed, but why are you still accepting consignments for your next auction?

You don’t reverse an alteration. That’s why it is graded A. Because the reversal didn’t fool psa.

I might want to refer the op to a major auction house to sell his items - most of the items listed are auction worthy and there are plenty of links on this site to find them.

Maybe I’m having a hard time understanding. You sent a photo to another member which the Wagner was graded Authentic and in an older psa holder. Then you are saying that the original owner removed it from the holder to remove the paint. This was listed for sale by you about 5 years ago from the scd link. So is it currently in a psa holder or was it removed from the holder? Because if this card was removed from the case then it is actually a raw card. And if it was done before you purchased it then you may have a fake card with a real label. Just trying to clarify because the story is a little unclear.

I thought he was giving the history of the card prior to it grading Authentic.

I just spoke with the seller (Dylan) on the phone for a few/several minutes. I think he is selling what he says he is, maybe some of the things are on consignment. As I don't personally know him I can't vouch for him but he seems legit to me. If anyone buys the Wags please don't just send a money orde for 700k :)> DO your due diligence but he seems fine to me,. Good luck, Dylan.

It says “after he saw the altered rating he removed it”. The photo shown of the card in the holder has damage to the edges of the holder. I’m thinking this is a raw card.

He also says "Graded Authentic" and "it says altered." Pretty ambiguous. Maybe it was resubmitted?

Best comment I've seen this week. :D

That’s what I originally thought. After I closely read every word I am thinking otherwise. It’s an odd thing for a music store to have the greatest baseball card ever. I would have sold it immediately to buy some rare music memorabilia. It’s like me having Hendrix’ strat as a decoration. But being ungraded may explain why the item hasn’t been brought to an auction house. Maybe the op wants to chime in to clarify?

if owner "added paint"...then removed...the card is altered...imo?

100%. Once a card has been altered there is no way to unalter it.


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Card is not for sale I apologize

additionally it appears the owner of the card is a card doctor?

Yeah, I'm confused too. Is the card still in the same PSA holder as in the picture? If the owner "removed the paint" (or whatever) after seeing the Altered grade, then it must have been cracked out of the holder, right? So is it now a raw card, as some on here have surmised?

Also, can we see a back scan?

seriously! trying to sell a card for $750K with no scans...really?

Or last name. Just "Dylan."

I have his info but see no reason in mandating all it be public right now. Anyone interested can PM him and if there is an issue let me know. He seems like a nice enough guy from our short conversation.

Ok. Now please clarify. Is the card sealed in a psa holder?

I wasn't suggesting it was mandatory, I was suggesting it's lame to offer a 750K card without even putting your name behind it.

He also has a Joe Jackson black Betsy bat on memorabilia side...maybe get a 2 for 1 deal?

Card is not for sale I apologize

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

Not sure how the OP thought he was just going to casually list a $700K card using a new account and not cause a fuss. I'm sure he's a legit guy at the end of all this, but he acted kind of fishy by not listing his name and posting a scan. I choose to remain anonymous here because I'm just an idiot in the grand scheme of things, but if I ever come to own one of these Wagners and list it here I'm going to put my name behind it. Just common sense.

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

The hole is getting deeper.....Will he combine shipping if we buy both?

I would think that if I, as an employee, invested some time to fully explain and dedicated a couple of days to posting photos and answering questions to make a sale of this magnitude that it would be worth the time spent.

The card is not for sale I apologize

Hmmm
 

That thread is an interesting read, and certainly worth a look. I won't link to another site but its' under Member/Trades Feedback and references a 25K Jordan collection. Due diligence.

I would think that if I, as an employee, invested some time to fully explain and dedicated a couple of days to posting photos and answering questions to make a sale of this magnitude that it would be worth the time spent. For someone with probably $1m+ worth of items, the sale could have been handled better. Once you start out on the wrong foot it’s hard to get back.

Damn it's sure annoying when potential buyers ask for more information. I empathize.

At first I thought this meant that the card was reslabbed recently, but now I see that the reslabbing happened years ago. The 2014 Sports Collectors Daily article linked to by Adam Y. in post 11 of this thread depicts the Wagner in the same slab, and it says, "The last known sale of this particular Wagner card was through Mastro Auctions in 2010 for $219,225. It was restored many years ago, but the restoration was later reversed."

right!!!!!!

The card is not for sale I apologize

if I were spending 3/4 million on a card...let alone $1000...I'd want a high resolution scan of the front and the back!

As a former chess champion I'm sure you can figure out how to do that????

Just went over to BO and read the thread. It is well worth your time to check out. Too bad that taking pictures of the several 52 Mantles he found would harm the cards. I know I would like to see some pics of them.

Why is that the case? If whatever was added to the card has been removed such that there is no remaining trace, why should going forward the card continue to be regarded as altered? Or is the comment meant to mean that as a practical matter, it is impossible to so completely remove what was added that there will always remain traces?

I certianly agree with your subtle humor and slight towards the situation but I also believe you made the opposite point as well.

How many are 'potential'? Let's be honest. Almost for certian 0 of everyone.

I believe that most of the questions are not from interested buyers. They are simply people interested or people that have nothing better to do than to try to poke holes in the person's story.

I can understand how that is burdensome when you have such an interesting item and you have stuff to do. I have definitely tried to sell things and been bombarded with increased activity from sources I was certain would never pan out. Especially if the motivation to sell is low. You want people that are qualified, interested and capable only.

It is unfair to question the level of motivation of the seller.
My guess is that it's a new experience for the seller.

here you go gentlemen!

Ok, so you have a graded copy of the most iconic baseball card in the world, which you would like to sell to someone for more than twice the value of my house. But you don't have time to respond to questions or craft a reasonable or intelligent sounding summary of the card's provenance which does not lead to tons of follow-up questions. Okie dok.

Also - sale price here is $715K but in Rich's article $450K?

At a minimum some high-res scans would be in order to be taken seriously. Those that I've seen so far in this forum suck.

He chose to come here to advertise. I really don't get your point.

This, I would think. Undoing "paint" is going to leave some traces of paint or damage regardless on a very thin and delicate, 100+ year old piece of cardboard.

slightly better?

Now now, we all know the only person who can fool PSA is Bill Mastro...:p

No. Looks to me like the same scan from earlier enlarged. If it's not high-res from the get go, it never will be just manipulating the first image.

I don't know what to make of you not getting it.

Surely you can see the argument in my statement, right?

Is it that you just don't believe there may be a less than overly ambitious Wagner owner on his Ps and Qs that wants every bit of attention he can get for his listing?

+1.

If this were a major auction house offering that card, it would have detailed high-res scans and a nice write-up. The description we got - at least at first - would probably not hold up to some of the '55 Bowman commons I sold on eBay last year.

welcome to the net54 tire kickers convention

Ok. Poll. How many people here have the money to buy the card?

Exactly. I don't believe the seller is interested in spending his time explaining tires to people that kick them.

The card is not for sale I apologize

To my mind it's pretty hard to casually and indifferently list a Wagner and just get annoyed by questions because the questions are from tire kickers anyhow. But maybe. Then again he had the same attitude about a substantially less pricey Jordan collection. People were annoying him with questions.

And he knows who here has the money and who doesn't how?

This whole thread is most amusing to me. Are you kidding? No, I don't have the money to buy that card. If it were bought by a card company and chopped into a million pieces to make memorabilia cards out of, I wouldn't have enough money to buy even THAT card.

But my aproach was kind of like I post a lot here, and you are going to have to suffer my opinions and questions, lol...Sorry.

The card is not for sale I apologize

A tip in posting pics:
I use this trick-- [img]XXXX[/img]
Most times it will put a large pic in the message. Just past the image where i put the X's.
Maybe it helps or it doesnt, but may help others here too.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20111216183045

Does he need to, "Man"?

Anyone with a small amount of reasoning logic can deduce that 99 percent of the population can't afford the card and he is getting enough attention to simply know that most people asking him questions are not buyers. Even if they were, would they be on here dropping public messages about how much coin they may drop on a single card?

That is common sense. No need to posture further and dive into the minutia that is irrelevant.

We are all guilty of commenting and asking questions on a thread(this one) that we are not going to be buyers on. Maybe the right place is on the general forum topic and not in his BST thread.

Understand that many people here are more used to lauging over amusing stories of fake Wagners that people are trying to sell on eBay than we are having a legit, PSA authenticated one offered to us for sale in our own forum. So at a minimum it's odd and you are going to get odd, pointed, and tongue-in-cheek questions. Those that I did see that were not bad jokes were people asking legit questions as to the current slab status of the card, asking for scans, and things like that. Who called you a liar?

That card is not a PSA 4 in a million years. The corners are beyond rounded, they are rounded off. Corners on a 4 can be moderately worn, but nowhere near that bad. Also may be worth pointing out that earlier in this thread you said the card was a PSA 2? Uh.....which is it? There is of course going to be a ton of $ value difference between those grades on any legit copy of the most valuable card in the world being sold - but you knew that right?

I hate to break it to you. No way that card grades a 4 unless it's in a BCCG slab. I do wish you luck on the sale.

I will say I saw the card in person at the store. Yes it exists.


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If nothing else, it's cool to see. It's not another Grandpa's attic find, sick patch, unknown authenticity, own-a-piece-of-history, feels old card.

I am going to post more pictures later today