Father Passed and Left me his collection. Please Help.
 

Hello everyone, I'm new to these wonderful forums. I'm a diehard Yankees and NY Giants fan living in NY. My father was a diehard fan and collector all his life. Sadly, the old man got sick and passed away leaving me with his collection. It's been some time and I'm now ready to move forward with it and try to find these cards good homes. I don't want to continue collecting and I'm too afraid of keeping them and either getting destroyed or sitting in a safe/closet forever.

All of his cards are ungraded.... I'm going to post an overview picture of some of the cards. My knowledge isn't that great beyond the online research I have done... These pictures are a very small glimpse of the entire collection. For instance he has over 25 mickey mantles of various years (no rookie) and hundreds of cards in the 40's 50's 60's.... mays, clemente, ted williams, koufax, yas, hank aaron, ect ect ect ect.....

I have no family and I'm a young adult who is lost on what to do with them. Thank you to any knowledge or advice on where I should go from here.... I do have bad individual photos of each card I can upload as well with the front and back more clear, I dont have a scanner but will get one soon....

Again thank you everybody so much....


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Step one: Get some larger photos/scans working, so people here can examine what you have and offer recommendations. Plus, very importantly, they'll be able to make sure everything is authentic.

You could probably (easily) sell a lot of stuff here to members through the Buy/Sell/Trade section. Good luck!

If you want to sell them all your best bet is to consign them to one of the auction houses. You will not have to pay a commission if anything you might be able to negotiate a little off of their buyers premium and they will take care of the grading and all necessary arrangements

I am very sorry to hear about your father, my condolences. Maybe keep 1-2 of your favorites for the memories instead of selling the whole collection?

I wouldn't rush to accept the first offer, it looks like you have a pretty nice collection there so you ought to find significant interest. I see a few ways to go for selling them, all depending on the amount of work you want to do.

1) Get them graded and then list them on eBay (or on the Net54 BST) at the prices you want and wait for them to sell (I wouldn't auction them by yourself).

2) Send them to an auction house - there are many that will do a good job for you. They will also take care of getting them graded for you and may even pay you a visit in person if you will consign the whole collection.

3) Sell them to a dealer. There are a few who may travel to you for a collection of this quality and size. Don't just walk into the nearest card shop and accept that offer though.

#1 will be the most work but has price certainty and perhaps the highest net to you. #2 and #3 will be about the same amount of work. The dealer will give you a guaranteed return while the auction house has a chance to hit a few home runs (and conversely, have a few strike outs). The auction route will likely give you a higher net than selling to a dealer.

I am sure the thread will have ample suggestions for dealers and auction houses, and some will certainly send you messages through Net54.

No matter what you pick, good luck! And again, sorry for your loss.

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By far the best route in my opinion, this way you don’t have to deal with selling one at a time, or issues on trying to get them graded yourself. You will get much, much more money for them graded vs raw too.

I see Cobbs and other HOF's in there. High end T206 cards like these are in a bubble right now so you don't need to do much to get top dollar for them. The grading fees will pay for themselves in the added price premium. You may get a few surprises if a couple of cards come back in high grade. Worth it.

Avoid eBay fees (10% sales fee + 3% for PayPal payment) and go straight to the B/S/T section and ask for friends/family payment by PayPal (especially if slabbed/graded). If you don't get friends/family payment (no fee) you'll at least avoid the 10% ebay fee.

If you want to sell these yourself get a scanner (a $60 Epson from Amazon will do just fine), and a free subscription to CardTarget. That way you'll feel better about the prices you're getting and won't get that odd feeling that you got ripped off. This is important since the cards have some sentimental value and seller's remorse can ruin the experience.

I apologize for the garbage photos I will be getting a scanner to have even if I don't sell them myself.

I don't know much about auction houses. Does the forum have any suggested ones? What is the procedure?


Thank you for the condolences, as with most passings it was horrible. He was a good man and taught me a lot. I strive to be like him one day and hope to have a son or daughter and raise them like he wouldve wanted me to. I kept a few of mine and my fathers favorite players that I won't be selling.

- I don't know much about the PSA system, but it seems like from what I've read around here, it takes a very long time? Their website is a little confusing and I don't know what the true costs are. Can I ship them as a package or individual? Im just very confused on where to even start...

- Interested in the auction house idea, again I have no clue what the procedures are or anything....

- Does the forum have recommendation on reputable dealers?


Thank you to everyone replying. I appreciate any help. Youre all amazing... The process is a little bit overwhelming, but I will put in the work to do it correctly.

So sorry about your dad. Nice collection he had.

First thing I would do is get them out of those old screw-down holders and into Card Savers. Good luck with the sales.

Don't take them out yet! they could be stuck and there are a few tricks to unstick them. No need to damage them.

As has already been said, definitely get some better pictures. This will allow people to recommend the best route and also show any auction house/buyers that what you have is actually real. Using an auction house is going be the least hassle, but you are paying for someone else to handle all the work for you. For an auction house, I highly recommend LOTG (loveofthegameauctions.com). Shoot him an email or give him a call and he'll walk you through everything.

Also do you know how long the cards have been in those screwdowns? From an outside prospect, they probably seem like the best protection, but many cards have been ruined by being in screwdowns too long and too tightly resulting in corners being pressed (damaged) and the cards literally being stuck to the plastic.

If you have any other questions, just keep asking, the guys on this forum are great and are always willing to help.

DJ

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For this type of material I would highly recommend an auction house in your area——Love of the Game Auctions (LOTG). Regardless of the auction house you choose(I would not use the BST as you are unfamiliar with the values of the cards and you would have no idea where to price them) I would insist that they submit and pay for the grading of your cards and that they charge you no sellers fees and possibly share a small portion of the buyers commission with you. Good luck!

Sending them to an auction house is no fun.

Why not have fun selling them?

Couldn’t agree more! This is 100% the way to go. I also like the idea of keeping one or two as a memorial. Great advice here!

If he goes to an auction house he will get what his cards are worth. I he tries to sell them himself, not knowing their value, he will get screwed. That’s why.

The high dollar cards like the Speaker, Cobbs, Cy Young, etc. should be graded with either SGC or PSA. While wait times with PSA are long, higher dollar cards would need to be submitted at a higher express level which will speed up the grading process. PSA charges different rates based on the declared value of the card. While it is not cheap to get some of those graded, the return on investment is worth it.

Some auction houses will likely be contacting you after they see this thread. I would consider REA or Love of the Game, but you should definitely weigh all of your options before deciding. Good luck and sorry about your Dad.

If you take the cards out of the screwdown holders you are likely going to want to pick up some Card Saver 1 semi rigid sleeves to put the cards into. It's a good idea to practice with some cheaper cards to get the hang of putting cards into Card Savers. Lay a clean towel on the table to help protect any cards you might drop while taking them out of the screwdowns. SB1 also has great advice to be careful because some cards could be stuck in the screwdowns. Go slow and easy and maybe try opening the lesser valued cards first.

right nobody ever gets a bargain at AH's and the 20% BP the buyer pays goes into the consignor pocket not the Auction House.

20% is a pretty big margin....just saying

Sorry about you Dad.

It really depends on how much effort you want to put in.

The easiest would be to find one of the big guys and sell it all at one time. Like said there are guys that will fly to you.

Your most return by far. Take some time before you ever sell a card and do a lot of reading on this forum. Also ask a lot of questions about what you have so you can get a inventory. This is a great forum with a lot of info about the type of cards you have. There is also a lot of people that will give you great advise for free.

Then after a month or three you will have enough knowledge to get top dollar for what you have. The Buy Sell Trade section here is great and it is also free.

Best of luck with your decision.

Plus, the auction houses are going to sell these in 50-100 card lots most likely.

Guess who's going to be bidding on those lots? Dealers looking to profit by re-selling each individually.

Consigning to an auction house in basically selling at the wholesale price unless it's a super high end auction.

Thank you so much for the advice. I really appreciate it. I will practice with some lower quality cards not in the picture if I decide to go this route.

Manny—the HOF cards pictured would most likely be sold in LOTG as single card lots. Commons, depending on condition, might be aggregated; I would trust Al to figure out how to maximize the consignor’s realization. This is the reason I suggested LOTG, rather than a big auction house like Heritage. If I had a Baltimore News Ruth or a Cobb with a Cobb back I would choose the boys in Dallas. For this type of material I would go with Al. To advise otherwise I believe is unwise.

Generally speaking, you can pick which 2 of these matter the most to you to decide how to sell: money, your effort to sell, or how quickly you receive the money.

Self Selling (BST) - high $, high effort, quick payment
Auction House - middle/high $, little effort, slowest payment
Dealer - least $, little effort, quick payment

Based on what we can see, most of these cards aren't going to sell in individual lots in REA or Heritage, but a smaller auction house such as LOTG, brockelmanauctions.com, Birmingham Auctions, etc will list cards that will sell for $50-100 individually. Plus giving a card like the green Cobb to one of these auction houses will make it more of a featured item rather than mixed in with 50 other identical cards. Anything $25 and under he's going to spend a ton of time and effort trying to move individually by himself.

You have some cards where the back will make a huge difference as to the card's value. If there are any with rare backs, you have more value than can be seen from the scan of the front. If you have cards that have writing on the back, glue stains, etc., then that is detrimental to value.

you will receive many offers from people here to buy your cards. proceed with caution. there are people here who would knock their mom over in a race to make a buck. if you don't know what your cards are worth, do not rely on an interested buyer to learn. as others have suggested consult a full time auction house -- not one who does it as a sideline or a hobby.

You could search completed Ebay auctions to get an idea on what they go for on some of them.

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Your dad had an eye for condition. These are really nice looking cards. I think keeping it simple and taking your time (unless you need a quick turnaround) will serve you best. Most important to find out what you have first. If you can get good scans of the front and backs to share then you'll find out quickly if there are any rare combos or series. There are some very trustworthy and genuine members here that you should listen to, but be cautious and do some of your own research before selling or consigning. Good luck.

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"You could search completed Ebay auctions to get an idea on what they go for on some of them."

There's also an option lower down on the left of an eBay page to see "sold items," which should help too. I agree to be wary of offers before you know exactly what you have.

Thank you everybody for all the replies advice and insight. Im thinking no matter what direction I go I will be picking up a good scanner and learning how to unscrew these cards carefully. I might build an album on some of the collection so I have good quality photos no matter what route I go. Psa grading seems like a good thing vs. ungraded from the replies I'm seeing. I'm a really young man so I guess the biggest thing is patience to do what's right for the old man and myself.

As most have suggested I have already picked some nice yankees for my own keeping. One side question I have. Are the 50s 60s 70s worth grading too ? Thank you everyone I appreciate the time you guys put in to learn and be involved in collecting.

It is really going to depend on the condition. A 60's Mays that is only going to get a 3 likely isn't worth it, but if it is going to get a 7 or 8, it almost certainly is worth it. However, be prepared, most people who are not familiar with grading will think they have an 8 or 9 and be shocked when it comes back a 5. Again, a good scan will really help us give you better feedback.

Was your dad a member of this card forum?

If you decide to go the route of selling through an auction house, probably best not to spend money on grading first, I'd think.

Another option is to consign with one of the major Ebay sellers. Like Greg Morris Cards or PWCC.

Little effort and cards will most likely sell individually and at market price.

That would be my choice.

No questions Greg Morris selling 1 by 1 is the way to go. Auctions will do you no justice and will fee you to death.

Gree
 

Sean's right. Avoid Auctions, especially Love Of The Game.

Hi Skatehabitat24
 

My condolences on the loss of your Father--a very sad time to be sure!

My below thoughts are just mine & I could be very wrong, BUT-----

Am I the only one who has a question as to authenticity? Those tobacco cards look too perfectly centered, bright & untouched, all of them.

I certainly hope they are ALL real, but something looks too good to me!

If you were an old guy with bad eyesight and arthritis that didn't know how to work a scanner, then I would suggest you consign to an auction house.

But since you're a young guy, I would research and sell these cards slowly, once you learn about the cards and what they're worth. It's not hard to identify and price them. I'd say it's one of the easiest hobbies in terms of learning curve. It'll be really fun as a side hobby, especially on those lazy weekends when you're bored. If you like baseball, this is the way to go. The money will trickle in slowly but you'll be getting more out of it.

You're not the only one. There's at least a few on which I'm skeptical.

I will 2nd the LOTG route

The owner Al is a super honest guy and is also a board member here.

I suspect he will probably reach out to you from this thread at some point.

Yes that’s the problem with posting new finds here. The third rate Auction houses will come knocking on your door to “help” you. Beware.
If you really want to go the Auction route pick a more reliable firm like REA.

REA is great, I have a TON of respect for Brian and crew, but they aren't always the answer. They have, in fact, referred collections to me because of some of the factors discussed in this thread. I don't know what bad experience you had Frank, but the small guys aren't necessarily bad guys.

Dude, what’s your issue with LOTG? Al and Jeff have been as good as they come from all of my experiences as a consignor and a buyer.

This is all going to be about properly reading those cards from their screw down tombs. I don’t know the best way to do it, but Scott makes a great point. I am sure someone who knows more than me could give you some guidance. Good luck. Very cool collection!

An independent third party consultant, who knows vintage cards, with no vested interest in selling your your collection is where I would start.

A knowledgeable collector, who lives close to you, probably exists on this board.

You are an unknown to the hobby and to many of this board your collection would be considered low hanging fruit. The diversity of opinion in this thread suggests to me that this could end well for someone other than you.

People who want your business can be very nice.

I've heard people have had success with both freezers and hairdryers where cards seem stuck in screwdowns. No personal experience though.

Not a terrible idea, but in essence an honest auction house is trying to make you the most money possible as that is how THEY make money. Also is the bolded portion supposed to be a bad thing?

When Jerry Mason was looking at what to do with the Miner's Extra collection he found in a house he was cleaning out, I met with him and gave him a lot of free advice on how to deal with auction houses. He originally had only committed to giving me the non-sports, but I didn't want to see him get taken. I spent quite some time with him going over things without any thought to getting the baseball and boxing cards.

A while later, to my surprise, he called me and asked me to take on the whole collection.

Maybe I'm naive or a Pollyanna, but I believe in helping people regardless of whether or not they consign to me. It's just who I am.

If Net54 is the Times Square on New Years Eve for the hobby, then a cry for help will be heard by both the angels and the wolves. As a novice, it could be difficult to distinguish between them. Just sayin’;)

Can't argue with that, and I did like the overall point of your previous post, just that in a perfect world an auction house can provide that service as they should be on the seller's side wholeheartedly. I mean that's who our fiduciary duty is due to. In PA you can file a complaint against an auctioneer who you feel doesn't keep your best interest first.

That's also an interesting difference. In PA you have to have a license to hold an auction, live or online. that's 360 hours of class time and 60 hours of practical experience OR a two year apprenticeship. Most sports auction houses are in states with no auction regulation. Does that mean those auction houses automatically disreputable? Of course not. But it is something to consider.

An experienced and knowledgeable collector is better equipped to deal with an auction house than a novice.

Satisfying suppliers (consignors) and payers (bidders) simultaneously is the art of the auctioneer, but can certainly lead to conflicts of interest.

REA is an excellent auction house for higher end vintage material and they'll waive the seller's fee on top notch cards. On top of that, some of these cards are tailor-made for individual listings, not group listings. So, it may be worth consigning the top-end cards, like the Cobbs, to an auction house like REA or LOTG and, for the cards that might get grouped into lots, go a different route to sell those.

I'm also one of those who's curious to see better scans, because some of the tobacco and Goudey cards look almost too good to be true...

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Might the Cobb green portrait graded a 5 + alone possibly see mid-five figures?

You might check attending the 2019 National Convention this year being in Chicago might present another option ?

Would make a opportunity to shop the cards since all the majors will be attending.

I am planning to attend this year taking a old baseball Photograph!

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I'll say that you're probably best off contacting someone like Greg Morris as well, especially for the post-1940s cards. But you would do well to find a trusted board member in your area to confirm authenticity and then advise you upon seeing the card.
People keep saying that you'll pay no "sellers premium" to an auctionhouse still think it's perfectly appropriate to pay 20% for the buyers premium. They're the same thing: a percent of your sold card price that goes to the place you sell the cards to.
If you want to be more involved in the actual selling part, I am a huge fan of COMC. I've sold thousands of cards on there in just a couple of years. You mail the cards to COMC, they scan and store them, you set the price, and when they sell, COMC mails them to buyers all over the world (even through eBay and Amazon).

I can say from personal experience as a buyer and seller with Scott he is the most honest guy in the business. All you have to do is look at the descriptions he has used in his previous auctions. There is no BS and he honestly describes the cards.

I can't say enough good things about the man and the service he provides. If going the auction house route I would highly recommend putting him on your short list of prospective AHs.

Whatever you do don't sell any of the cards yourself. Send them to an auction house and let them handle the sale. People will make offers and they'll sound good to you, but they won't be.

Reading through this thread, it appears that some people love auction houses and some hate them. Yes, a 20% buyer's premium may seem high, but it's actually very low compared to what an art gallery, for example, charges. Personally, I think a reputable auction house, like REA or LOTG, provides added value by advertising and exposing your high end material to a huge group of high end buyers and investors.

Selling a collection, a quick guide to maximizing by concerned individual

Step 1: Familiarize yourself with grading: https://www.psacard.com/resources/gr...tandards#cards. The difference between a 5 and 6 on a card like a T206 Green Background Ty Cobb is immense-- $10,000 or more

Step 2: Safely remove the cards from the screw down holders and place them into Card Saver 1's https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...ver+1&_sacat=0 Go ahead and buy $10 worth of junk cards to practice with until you aren't chipping corners or creating any unneeded wear on your cards.

Step 3: Create a dark space in your house and buy a halogen light bulb desk lamp. This is the space you will use to review the condition of your cards accurately.

Step 4: Create a google sheet with columns "Card Type", "Grade", "Price of grade estimate" "Price of 1 grade below" "Price of 1 grade higher".

Step 5: Work through your collection 1 by 1 and create this spreadsheet with your estimates and the grades up and grades down. This will give you a low end, an average, and a high end of what your collection might be worth.

Step 6: Scan a sampling of 30 to 50 cards front and back and post them here for grading estimates to ensure accuracy in step 5.

Step 7: Contact Greg Morris Cards and REA auctions. Do not contact any other auctions listed in this thread-- you will regret it.

Step 8: Use Greg Morris Cards to maximize and sell all cards from the 1930's to the 1980's.

Step 9: Use REA to maximize and sell all cards from the 1920's and earlier including your high end T206's, tobacco cards, and any ultra-hi end singles.

Step 10: TAKE YOUR TIME. I can't see the exact condition, but if your whole collection is in similar condition you could have $30,000-$50,000 or more-- TAKE YOUR TIME.

If you need ANY help please reach out to me via text, phone call, or email. I will be more than happy to review your spreadsheet, give an objective opinion on condition and value, and try to help point you in the right direction.

In medicine a second opinion can be reassuring unless it diverges significantly from the first opinion. This can precipitate a third opinion and so on.

On Net54 a question thread like this results in 37 opinions all of which are biased to some degree by anecdotal personal experience.

Pretend you are the OP, a novice in the hobby, read this thread and then tell me what you would conclude.:eek::eek::eek:

Thank you for the condolences. I completely understand where youre coming from. I'm going to get a scanner for better photos and maybe bring them down to a shop in Copperstown for someone to look at for a glance over.

All I can say about the old man was, he never used a computer in his life. This collection was mainly built before I was born. We live 2 hours from Copperstown and thats where he spent a lot of time along with some auctions. I don't think grading was popular or even existed when he was doing most of his collecting... I just don't see the old man spending his time or money buying reprints but I could absolutely be wrong. I remember as a really young kid going to Copperstown and he knew everyone, the shop owners would take me to exhibits not even open to the public yet and show me new card or memorabilia arrivals. It was an amazing experience everytime I went. I still do go there almost every year, but just to visit the hall and have a nice meal.

No matter what happens with the cards, real/fake whatever the outcome. I will keep everyone updated to show the appreciation for all the feedback responses and love given out by you guys. I will stay patient and continue researching and talking with people. You guys are all awesome, thank you.

Imagine how many opinions he would have if he had asked for investment advice.

To be really careful taking cards out of screw-down holders...

If you're a newbie, send them to an auction house and don't sell them on your own. Unless you really want to.

If you post or send to someone really big images of cards, they can't tell if they are authentic.

does anyone have a question about taxes?

Exactly Frank. If the guy was not confused before posting here, he is sure to be now. He is getting opinions of people he does not know and as you said, whose biases he is not privy to.

At least he is being exposed to options to explore and consider. He has a high quality problem.

Chase

I think the OP is getting too many varying opinions and might be more confused now than he was before he posted.

If I may give him my opinion, try to find one person whom you trust who can help you through the process of selling your father's cards.

Lotg
 

Hey, when LOTG first started I consigned a lot of high end cards to Al’s first two auctions. Ask Al. I lost my shirt as I expected with a start-up.

In a subsequent LOTG auction Al pulled a stunt that I didn’t like with one of my cards. I then tried to pull out the rest of my consignment, but my cards were held for ransom by honest Al. I had to get my attorney involved to get them back. That’s my issue dude.


Edited to add: Jeff Prizner joined LOTG way after this happened. Jeff is a friend and a stand up guy.

what kind of a stunt was that bad, was it a bad description or put in the wrong category etc..

Sorry to hear of your loss.

You're getting a lot of good advice from our members...to which I will only suggest that you hold onto a few as a memory and tribute to your Dad...that way you could keep them in the family and pass it along when you want to.

I'm hopeful that you will get 'the bug' before saying goodbye to what has been left to you.

It's a Wonderful Hobby...and, at least so far, a much better investment (if you're careful) than many other things.

-Robbie

I’m in NY and would be more than happy to help.


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Stunt
 

Worse. A lot worse. A betrayal. PM me for the details.

Skatehabitat24, are you north or south of Cooperstown? I’m 3 hours south.


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I will be hooking my scanner/printer up if people are interested seeing some cards up close I will post some in this thread. I appreciate all the help, responses and condolences again thank you.

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Wanted to throw some more photos up for you guys. Still got a lot more to go through, sorry if these dont belong in this section just wanted to keep everything in the same thread. Scanner isnt working that great photos coming out really bad gonna try some stuff to make it better, so shitty cell phone photos for now.

Good news though is every card that I have been unscrewing has been completely free, undamaged, and not stuck at all!

NICE!!!!! The cobbs are sweet...too bad the greenies got a little nibble on the corner...and a cycle speaker...that's much better than a common back!!!!!

Look real to me...grades are another question?

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I've always liked you Dr. Frank but this isn't right. You had a bad experience once with Al and LOTG and I understand that. But trying to soil his reputation in public for something that happened years and years ago is uncalled for.

jeff

Wow, you're dad was a stud! As much as I'd love to get my hands on all of these there are definitely some that should go to the big boys. My offer of helping you with no obligation on your end stands.

I agree. We are getting only one side of the story, and then only a partial story at that. I have never had a problem with Al. In fact, I think he goes out of his way to be accommodative. I think he is one of the good guys in the hobby, and if you seek to besmirch his reputation you should have to provide hard facts.

Jay

I’ll add my opinion here. I STRONGLY encourage you to consign the collection to a reputable auction house - there are quite a few of them but REA and Love of the game are the two that come to mind immediately.

You are admittedly not an expert in cards - which is exactly why you should hire an expert auction company to act in your best interest and the two above ones will.

I also recommend that you save a small handful of cards for yourself - even if it just sits in a drawer - one day you may want to pull it out and remember dad.

I’m very sorry about your loss - but dad left behind a remarkable “card legacy”

My best wishes
Scott

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