Babe Ruth's 1927 WS Ring
 

I'm sure most of you are well aware of Charlie Sheen's recent 'tirade'...
To make things short, he registered a twitter account yesterday and started posting random pics including this one I thought would appeal to baseball ring and Yankees collectors ( I'm not one btw :) )

Charlie's wearing a 1927 Babe Ruth ring and what I suppose is a pretty expensive watch...

http://twitpic.com/458bdr/full

http://i.imgur.com/VOY8p.jpg

When he flew in all those all players to hang out with him (Zeile, E. Murray, etc.), they watched Major League and he allowed all the players to pass it around and wear the ring, it was reported. I know some of his collection was sold through Lelands over the years, I wonder how much of it he still has left and when he soon perishes, where it will end up. :-)

DanC

"when he soon perishes..."

Dan- I was kind of thinking the same thing myself. Very sad situation.

How can you not love this guy? If that's Ruth's actual '27 WS ring I think I've fallen in man love with Sheen. What a legend.

Miller Huggins, a Hall of famer and teammate, had the same ring and it sold in Mastro Auctions in 2007. With the juice, the ring sold for $170,000.00.

I had not heard of Ruth's ring in the hobby. I can't imagine what that would sell for.

The watch looks like a Patek Phillippe triple date? I think they sell new for around $50,000 in solid gold.

Drug abusing, obnoxious, wallowing in self denial, wallowing in self pity, got suckered in an autograph scam, treats women like dirt,,,
just a few reasons not to love him.
George Clooney, when he is not making movies, tries to actually save peoples lives.
Charlie Sheen, when he is not involved in his screen life, is destroying lives, including his own.

I was thinking the same thing. I bet that watch is worth more than the one I got at Rite Aid.

I'll go ahead and disagree with you on this. Fact of the matter is you have absolutely no clue how he treats people or what's in his heart. Your arbitrary and sanctimonious judgment of Sheen is both ignorant and embarassing.

I'd like to know more about this autograph scam though.

Sheen was being paid something like $1.2 million an episode, which works out to around $20-30 million a year. So a fancy watch or a Babe Ruth ring are just meaningless trinkets that he can buy on a whim.

He is very destructive to both himself and to others. They took his kids away from him and he admits he doesn't even know where they are. Not somebody to look up to. He is very sick and delusional.

More ignorant information. All four of his kids were at his home as of this week. Only reason I know this is that they showed them in one of the interviews recently.

If it's ignorant information it's based on what I've heard. Unfortunately, Charlie and I don't hang out together so I can only get my information from secondary sources.

But what from what I've seen, read, and heard, nothing really positive is coming out of his camp. What have you heard that makes you feel all is well with him?

For starters, he's submitted to multiple drug tests by major news orginizations and they've all come back negative. Secondly, he's currently a single male with a lot of money. When it comes to women I would say he's free to do what he wants, with them and the cash, as long as they are willing participants.

The guy is pulling off one of the greatest PR stunts in entertainment history. His ex-wives would not be exposing their children to this guy if they felt he was a potential danger.

The guy loves baseball and memorabilia so we should cut him a little slack.

The Daily Mail.

Long live Sheen.

We should cut him slack because he collects baseball memorabilia? What does that mean?

Anyone who "Loves" someone who is a freaking mess like this guy has his own issues most likely.

Back to the ring
 

Interesting note: the 1927 Yankees Babe Ruth ring came from Barry Halper who got it directly from Mrs. Ruth or another member of the Ruth family. He sold (or traded) it in the 1990s.

You're obviously living in an all glass house.

Yes. It means exactly what it says.

I think I am too ignorant to discuss the scam that Sheen was victimized by.
Let us just say it was for a lot of bucks and they saw him coming from a mile away.
And as far as his kids,,, on The Today Show this am, he openly talked about them being taken away by the police.
And I don't believe his wife has a say in the matter of him having shared custody of them. And The Today Show did report that his wife is now filing for sole custody.

Well I guess Bill is a fan. That's fine with me.

You win some, you lose some. I have no clue what was or is in his collection, but if that Ruth ring is any indication, there must be some primo stuff. It's tough to believe the great Sheen was taken in by a scam but shit happens.

The great Sheen ??
The guys who took him are still laughing about it and enjoying his money, although the main perpetrator could be in China by now. His whereabouts are unknown, though he was very "popular" for a while.
And if Halper can get taken then why can't Sheen?

Charlie keeps saying that he's WINNING... but I'm not sure about it.

I think he's in for a doozy!

Charlie's condition
 

Anyone that has any experience with bipolar manic depression can see through Charlie in less than a minute. I feel sorry for him. He is delusional. My brother passed away last year, the month of his 50th birthday. He had similar traits as Charlie and was diagnosed as a bipolar manic depressive person. Charlie needs in house therapy in a bad way. (that means in a hospital, every day...for quite some time). It is very sad to watch. Anyone that doesn't think so is either delusional or doesn't understand the illness, imho.

I would never aspire to be like him, but I try not to judge. He is what he is.

He looks like a heart attack or cardiac arrest waiting to happen.

Even when he's not on "drugs", I wouldn 't be surprised if he has enough legal substances in his system (caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, energy supplements, etc.) to drop an elephant.

The body can't withstand that forever.........even with Tiger blood coursing through ones veins.

I will admit this whole circus has been a little bit entertaining to me on some sort of primitive level I'm not exactly proud of. :(

I do hope it ends soon though. Any media outlet that doesn't think they're just enabling him by covering this, is just as deluded as he is.

Apparently, old Charlie didn't watch Seinfeld... Costanza proved it, too much nook makes you dum.

This is what the media has become, one trainwreck after another to ride to the end of the tracks, dump and get on the next one. As soon as everyone gets their piece of Charlie they'll find some other "story."

If he is truly drug free and still behaves like this then I think that lends to some creedence to what Leon mentioned.

I find it neither amusing nor entertaining be it a PR stunt or anything else. Get some help or shut up.

Nice watch though, very nice!

it should be noted....
 

If Charlie is a bipolar manic depressive then he probably has drugs for the condition. My brother had some serious physical issues from some dirt bike wrecks and had oxycodiene and delauted (sp?) that he was addicted to. Drugs and these conditions go hand in hand though, and from my experience are anything but exclusive of each other. (they can be but most often aren't)...again, this is all from my experience and I am not diagnosing anything in a definitive manner. Charlie acts like my brother used to act.

unfortunately he thinks he's indestructible...but he might want to look at Keith Moon and John Bonham as two people that also thought the same thing.

That watch is actually a Patek 2438 or possibly a 2498 - vintage perpetual calendars. Both are extremely rare and would bring upwards of $500K in auction.

500K for a vintage Patek?

I rather have a Wagner card (I hear he had one of these too)

Oh, he's winning all right. Winning in every way, every day.

OC's
 

Oc`s as addicts call them are out of your system in 2 to 3 days ...so you can be tested once a week and "fool the system"...... that might very well be happening in Charlies case........ BAD Stuff....

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...jectID=4700468

FWIW, I would prefer to have a Wagner also.

Bill- with each of your posts you are sounding more and more like Charlie Sheen himself.

Kevin- it's hard for me to conceive that a 500K wristwatch even exists. I mean, all it does is tell time. I bet neither Bill Gates or Warren Buffett would ever spend that much for a watch. That's just insane.

I'm sure watch collectors would think similarly about a baseball card.

I think similarly too. I think paying 500K for a baseball card is equally nuts...except if I happen to be selling it.

That's an interesting observation Barry.

Charlie may very well not be on drugs...From a few experiences, the occasional sober addict will actually get to big for themselves. What happens is that the person will be too "proud" of their sobriety, and get the better than everyone else, I'm always right, type of mindset. Many times these people will become bored and do some very risky or crazy things, and they will justify it in their heads, that they can do anything they want as long as they stay sober. Often times the same mental disorder that causes this type of activity is also the same disorder that fueled their addiction to begin with. Charlie may very well be the most extreme case of this ever..

Considering there's alot of celebrities that act like this to begin with, I'm guessing Charlie's behavior has to do with BOTH, his celebrity and alleged sobriety as a result of some mental disorder. I think Leon is probably right in guessing that he's Bi-Polar.

Rather than further respond to one particular poster in this thread I will just follow the first Mark Twain quote in my signature file.
The quote is not referring to all the posters on this thread, just one in particular.
I just know I would rather have spent one day with Mark Twain than a lifetime with Charlie Sheen.
Sheen's demons are way too much for me.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I agree, but for some reason, I think that one day hanging with Charlie would be one hell of a fun time though...

Is Bill Rowett Charlie Sheen?;)

Depends on what u consider fun...smoking 7 gram crack rocks, stroking your own ego, belittling women, etc.:cool:

I'm not saying I'd participate all goings on. He can have all that crack to himself. But I'm pretty sure the quality, quantity and ease of the women would be pretty nice... I've got an addiction myself, can anyone guess what it is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od9FkRvvnrg

Sloppy seconds?

Yeah, having your kids removed from your home by Law Enforcement, belittling any female who gets within 20 feet of you, scaring many females who get within 20 feet of you, scaring the hell out of your family and friends,,, fun time ??? Not my definition.

Well, I'm talking the typical normal Charlie day. Not one of his all out nutty days. Just one of his mildly sleazy kind of days.

I know charlie is a huge baseball memorabilia collector/fan. I know he he bought the ball that went through Bill Buckners legs in the 86 WS.
Also when Cecil Fielder was going for Home Run #50 in 1991, Charlie bought the entire left field section of Angels Stadium for a game to catch the 50th home run ball. (Cecil didn't hit it that game.)
In the mid nineties one of the museums in NY had a baseball display and many items were on loan from the Charlie Sheen collection including alot of Ruth items.

Only if Charlie Sheen is in New Hampshire right now.

Wasn't Martin Sheen once governor of New Hampshire? Or am I confusing something?

I'm pretty sure he owned the Planet Hollywood (Maybe it was All-Star Cafe) Wagner that was stolen and then found. REA auctioned it off a couple of years ago.

How can anyone defend his behavior? You have to feel for the kids here. It doesn't look like there's much stability on any end in his life. He seemed more sane on drugs at least he didn't talk about Warlocks and Ninjas.

DanC

I originally wrote a LONG post about Charlie Sheen but decided to shorten it to this; sociopath.

I am not a medical professional but I have read about sociopaths. Go and read about them then listen or watch a Charlie Sheen interview and decide for yourself.

An addict can be cured, a sociopath can not. If Sheen is a sociopath, he will never get better.

David Smith

PS. I don't care how much money Charlie Sheen has or WHAT he collects, he is NOT a role model or something you should want to aspire to yourself. If I had children, I would point to Sheen and say that is NOT what I want you to grow up and be like.

High standards!

The thing is, is if your taking OC's you can't stop taking them for 2 or 3 days. If you are addicted to Oxy you are taking it multiple times a day, every day. If you stop taking them for 2 or 3 days you aren't getting out of bed (or off the bathroom floor).

If I remember correctly he sold the Buckner ball.

He didn't appear that he wasnt on an Opiate, ever see people on Oxy's? Even when it is dark look at everyone's pupils, you can pick a junkie out no problem. As far as his act, the nuttier he acts the more people who want to watch his every move, if he needs drugs to keep that up, he is gonna be in trouble. He has never been a straight laced guy, and aside from the drug use I think he will be fine. If he truly can kick the drugs, best of luck to him and his goddesses

Mark,

Thank you. Like most other people, I want to be rich BUT I am not willing to do whatever it takes to get there. Here is why.

My Grand Father was born in 1911. He was one of 11 children and he lived on a farm. He dropped out of school after fourth grade so he could work on the farm and help support his family.

At the start of the Depression, he had $50 in a bank which went out of business. That was basically all the cash he had and it was gone.

After he married my Grand Mother in 1940, he had a decent job working for a paint manufacturer. Even though he was starting a family, he still sent part of his paycheck to his Mother to help support her.

In the late 1940's he bought his own farm. During the week he would work at the paint factory during the day and then come home and work his farm.

In the late 1970's, when he was retired and when prices for farm land skyrocketed, he sold most of his acreage for a large sum of money. At that time I was about 10 years old.

I was in awe of the amount of money he had and was asking him what he was going to buy me (and my sister and cousins) and what he was going to spend it on. He said he was just going to save it (he put the money in long term CD's at 10% interest) so that he and my Grand Mother would have money to live on for the rest of their lives and not have to worry where their next meal was going to come from. (My Grand Mother is going to be 91 soon, she is living in her own home and is still living off the money my Grand Father saved back then).

He then sat me down and told me his life story and what he had been through. He also told me this, "it is OK to want to make a lot of money and have nice, fancy things BUT don't lose yourself in that pursuit and don't sell your soul going after those things".

He blamed greedy people for the Depression and bank failures and for him having to work long hours all those years. He came to the conclusion that some people "lost theirselves" during the Roaring 20's. He thought that because some people got greedy, that because they didn't follow the rules or the law, because they risked too much and didn't see what was happening around them they and the rest of the country paid for it.

When this past recession hit and the reasons behind it started coming out, I thought of my Grand Father and his story. I wished he was still alive so that I could talk to him about what was going on.

David

Great story David.
Your Grand Father was a very smart man.

Howard

Hbrol,

Thank you.

One of his favorite sayings was it was good to have book learning but you also needed to have common sense.

David

me too
 

Thanks from me also, David, for relaying that story. It is so dead on accurate it's not funny.

Republicaninmass- you are absolutely correct. I have lived with people on opiates. They slur their words, are drowsy, have a dry mouth etc.....No doubt Charlie wasn't on them in interviews I saw. He definitely seems to be manic though. And I wouldn't doubt if he has opiates and meth type drugs if he wants them....No matter if he is on drugs this minute or not he does need some professional psychiatric help, in my layperson opinion.

The Messy History Of Charlie Sheen’s "Winning" Ring

Via Deadspin:

http://deadspin.com/#!5775565/the-me...s-winning-ring

I thought Charlie was doing a Britney Spears impression....

There are no 1923 or 1928 World Series rings--in those years the Yankees gave out watches. An engraved pocket watch in '23 , and an engraved Hamilton "Piping Rock" model in '28.

Hunt sold a 1928 Lazzeri WS ring for $42,500 in 2008.

http://www.huntauctions.com/LIVE/ima...=842&lot_qual=

Rite Aid watch
 

David,
That's a classic!! :p

Current whereabouts of the famous '86 World Series Mookie Ball
 

FWIW, the Mookie/ Buckner ball was sold in auction to author/ composer Seth Swirsky. Swirsky has written several great books including "Baseball Letters" (1997) and "Every Pitcher Tells a Story". If you haven't ever checked out Seth Swirsky's personal collection, you owe it to look at seth.com. Unbelievable!! :eek:

Scott, thanks for the link. A very impressive collection indeed.

Honestly I follow very little reality stuff. I care very little about famous peoples lives. But the thought has occurred to me, what if he is just pulling a "Joaquin Phoenix" ?

That's occurred to me many times as well. He hasn't been the least bit camera shy, and the ratings would be through the roof if they were to bring the show back in September. Like it or not, it's the ultimate form of self promotion.

Hey Randy how the heck are you? Who's the guy in the picture with you?:):).
I don't think this is a Joaquin Phoenix, if so he is in even deeper trouble than it appears.
To put his kids on the line like this just to pull a Phoenix type of stunt?
He has to be one seriously f----- up guy for that.

Rich- Isn't it Joe. D.?

Didn't Sheen hang out with Brian Wilson, who kind of originated this lunatic act last year?

Wilson admits to being a "mental ninja".

DanC

Poor Andy Kaufman...his act is now known as the "Joaquin Phoenix." :(

Andy Kaufman was a comedy genius. Joaquin Phoenix could not hold Andy's jock strap:).

Ah, what a fool I am to give the act of giving a public alter ego that is abnormally bizarre (for attention) to the Giants closer and forget about all Andy Kaufman. Kaufman lived his role, in part. Phoenix just played yet another role as an "actor".

DanC

How can you call this guy a legend? He's a self destructive idiot.