For Sale Artifically Aged Reprints $5.00 Makes Great Gifts See Pics
 

Hey guys. My name is Derek. I am new on here but not to the collecting side as I have been a sports card collector for over 20 years. I am just now finding time to be able to check out these forums and what all they have to offer.

I have some artificially aged cards for sale for $5.00 bucks each shipped

Payment by Paypal, Money Orders or check..

If you have any questions or wish to purchase, please email me at
goudeyruths@gmail.com or Private Message me.

Check out my photobucket items
http://s1205.photobucket.com/albums/...ed%20Reprints/

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/...e/RuthLot1.jpg

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/...upcardpic2.jpg

This is a joke, right?

I don't think this is a joke. He's been trying to sell them for a week in another section of the BST. Some board members cringed (like myself) while others defended his right to sell his junk here ...

Actually there is plenty of money to be made buying these cards. Simply buy a few of these cards and list them on eBay. Use some of the following phrases: 1. Grampa's attic, 2. Selling as reprint, but looks real to me; 3. Doesn't say reprint anywhere on card; 4. I'm not a professional grader; 5. I don't have time to send to a professional grader. From what I see, people generally bid far more than $5 on these type of listings.

wrong category
 

These aren't 20's to 40's cards. If you are going to sell this crap at least put it in the correct area of the BST.

Besides the fact that this is disgusting . . . who would want an "artificially aged" Jordan?

Please, surf elsewhere.

You guys are kidding right. A hate campaign against generics and reprints
 

What's the angst? Why the sore feelings towards these cards?

I personally like these cards. And have no problem offering them for sale to people who want them. Yeah authentic is always better but like a lot of things no one can afford authentic. Rolex's, Purses, Sunglasses, generic drugs, whatever the cheap alternative to the real thing. There's always the people who can drive BMW's and those who buy Camry's.

Even though they bear no real value of any sort there is some pleasure in collecting cards that are the greatest sports cards ever. No I will never own a real Mantle 52 rookie but I own a reprint and I look at it and think what it must be like to own such a card. I look at these and appreciate the birth of modern trading cards.

derek
:cool:

It's a free market economy, not socialism
 

Yes I am sure people take advantage of unsuspecting buyers of cards. I totally agree with that. I can go to bed each night knowing that I have disclosed that these cards were reprints. Once its outta my hands its outta my hands. With some cold medicine, brake fluid and a few other ingredients you can make meth. Why don't you start a campaign to ban brake fluid and cold medicine? Products can used for good things or bad. Gun's for defending homes or for murderers, cold medicine for people with allergies or making meth and reprints for people who appreciate trading cards and one's that are used to rip people off.

Its a two sided coin.

If the cards don't say reprint on them then there is a good chance they will be sold as originals by a fraudulent person. Sell reprints with them stamped as reprint or get them out of our hobby!

So no reasonable response to my argument?
 

Just if they are reprints they should be stamped as reprints.

Not anything like never buy anything you are not familiar with? Stay away from Grandpa's Attic sellers?

Not to say that the cards weren't made to deceive a person but an educated person in the hobby would be able to quickly identify the real from the fake. Just like buying Rolex's, if you don't know what to look for you'll get burned on the purchase.

I don't spend "real" money on something that I am uneducated on. Whether its mutual funds, cars, watches, pens, or baseball cards. If I can't explain basic ins and outs of the product I am purchasing including if there are copies floating around then I don't need to make the purchase.

I've got burned buying a fraudulent card. $800 bucks. From a guy who got it from his dad and posted it on Craigslist because he needed the money real bad.

Do you know what? I have never been burned again on cards.

Yeah it sucks that people have to ruin the hobby buy screwing people over. There's a special place you know where for them.

I guess the best way to say it. You know how you can go into an art store and buy a reprint of the mona lisa. You hang it up on the wall and appreciate the creativity and the shear shock and aww of it. Same thing with a 1933 goudey ruth reprint

Education
 

This is where you get the "education and not buying from reputable sellers" lightbulb

whats your problem with this?
 

wondering why you think that way

?
 

Have you ever bought a pair of knockoff sunglasses or a Fucci purse for your wife?

Above all this is the wrong place to advertise your cards; no one will buy them here.

No. I don't bother buying crap.

I don't consider my stuff crap. How many people do you know that can make a card got from new to old in 3 days?

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/...ths/wagner.jpg

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/...acco1909v1.jpg

Activity such as this is a scourge to the hobby. I vote for a lifetime ban from the forum for engaging in such an unethical and deceptive practice.

All those in favor...

My main fear is that these cards will end up in the hands of someone that will try and deceive and eventually rip off a buyer. Of course you have a right to sell these cards, however you are contributing to one of the big problems in this hobby. On this board your actions won't be received very well.

Not cool!
 

This is flat out wrong. I am all for the banishment!

You guys want to burn books too?
 

I think Nazi's and the Communist's did similar things to beliefs that they didn't like too. Screw the Bill of Rights. Just a piece of paper when people disagree. If you disagree with this please tell me you disagree with all the pirated music, bootlegged movies, knock off purses and Folex watches.
:D

Come over after turkey dinner
 

We will get rid of all the religions, democracy, and capitalist ideas that plague our society forever!!!


http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/...ok-burning.jpg

Why not just stamp them "reprint" and avoid all the contention? I think you wouldn't have so much venom spit at you if you just did that. What would be the harm in an embossed stamp on the back that says what it is? Those in the hobby are the only police in the hobby, so you have to see why some are so concerned. You must realize by doing this you create a problem that doesn't need to be. Topps issues reprints all the time and no one here bats an eyelash. That's because they are clearly marked as reprints and it's all done above board. I think it's the deceptive way this process is done that makes it so offensive to most on this site. Just some insights, take them or leave them. Yes this is America, you have every right to do what you do, but it doesn't make it moral.

rarerookies posted - "If you disagree with this please tell me you disagree with all the pirated music, bootlegged movies, knock off purses and Folex watches."

Yes, I disagree with all forms of pirated and counterfeited products. I do not support such activities as they violate trademark, patent, copyright laws, etc., and represent a form of theft.

As for your decision to take reprints and age them to look like originals, this is a form of fraud aimed at deceiving unsuspecting consumers. Just because you are making and selling the counterfeits as reprints for only $5 each, you think that you are not at fault - but you are! You know full well that the majority of individuals interested in your service are con artists who will attempt to pass off the fakes as originals for much higher prices. You are profiting from a service that supports the counterfeit card market. (Consider - Aren't the guys who produce meth in their home labs just as guilty as the dealers who sell / distribute the illegal drugs to addicts and children?)

It's disturbing that you would compare your unethical and immoral practice to the pursuit of freedom of "religions, democracy, and capitalist ideas". You truly have a warped sense of justice, and you apparently lack the basic understanding of the concept of what is right and wrong.

I hope that you will give further consideration to this matter and recognize that you are engaging in a dishonest actitivity that promotes fraud. If your artificial aging business were to actually take off and increase in volume, you could end up being prosecuted by authorities for conspiracy as part of a counterfeit memorabilia ring. Please discontinue your promotion of this dishonorable pursuit and find a hobby that is more worthy of your time and effort.

During the "aging" process the copyright line has gone missing on the back of the Wagner. If you did that you should be ashamed of yourself. These cards will eventually trickle down into the hands of somebody who thinks they are real. If you have any self respect you should burn these cards and issue an apology to these long time collectors on this forum for even showing these. One of the biggest problems in this hobby is making sure the card you buy is authentic and unaltered and these cards are a slap in the face to all of the collectors here and abroad. You sacrificed your integrity for the 1 or 2 dollars you were hoping to get for each of these cards. Stuff like this won't fly here, and I can't believe you had the guts to try and sell these here. This isn't Craigslist or Ebay, this is Net54 and you're not welcome if you try to use this site to get your fake cards out into the world. Happy Thanksgiving!
Jeff

Using the words meth and nazi's to justify your business? Unbelievable. The mere fact that whole reprint is evenly aged except for the copyright which is completely removed speaks volumes towards your target audience and your business ethics. You should be ashamed of yourself and should feel guilty for the role you have played in all the dishonest transactions these cards have been involved in on Ebay since you started your business, even if you weren't directly involved.

I agree with everything said above
 

And I'm all for banning this guy, although I doubt that will stop him from trying to make a buck at other people's expenses.

I consider your stuff crap. This garbage is a dime a dozen on eBay and Craigslist. Here, it is considered a joke. It doesn't take artistic talent to erase "reprint", dip a card and bake it. It just takes an unethical a**hole.

I agree, ban.

Politics, religion and fakes ... has there ever been a better case for banning someone?

rarerookies and reprints
 

I am not in favor of banning him, I am in favor of not responding to his posts, so that they drop quickly off the front page, and we don't have to be bothered by him.

And, I hope nobody responds to this post so that it will drop quickly off the front page, as well.

I'm confident that 100% of the real collectors who read these forums have the exact same initial thoughts on this guy and his "products". Arguing with him does nothing except keep him in the headlines.

Best regards,
Doug

I'm in favor of banning listings for reprints.
I'm betting that will have the added benefit of effectively banning the OP.

And Leon thought this would be a calm Thanksgiving.

Rarerookies: I don't have any problem with reprints in the hobby - they have their place. Charles Mandel produces a line of Helmar Brewing cards that have an "artificially aged" look which I rather like - I have even picked up a few. However, his cards are modern creations - they are not reprints which can be mistaken for a vintage issue. You paid enough rope to hang yourself by showing the Wagner back. How convenient that the copyright data didn't survive the aging process! "Once its outta my hands its outta my hands." 'Nuf ced about your ethics.
The Nazi book burning photo was a nice touch. I get it. We're fascist totalitarians because we object to your abetting fraudsters with your doctored reprints. (As a Jew maybe I should feel offended but I'm only saddened by your less-than-brilliant intellect). Actually we are merely collectors who try to enjoy a hobby despite the fact that it is ridden with every sort of scumbaggery already. You are part of the problem, dude. I don't think anyone is serious about banning you - the few guys who have been banned so far were majorly egregious douches and you are just a putz - but I do feel that you are not going to fit in with a lot of folks here.

To Vintagecpa
 

These cards have been around long before I got into the hobby of selling reprints and they will be around long after I am gone. I bought these cards from people selling them on Ebay.

I still say its more of an uneducated buyer issue than a moral argument. If you are going to invest in something you better know about it before you invest. If not then these cards could possibly be used in fraudulent activity.

Education of buyers not demise of capitalism

To Doug
 

I actually enjoyed this conversation. Its moved on from me trying to sell reprints to an ethical and moral debate. I didn't know that there was such an anti-reprint establishment among serious collectors. I thought of these more as novelty products. Replica rolex's, coach purses etc.

I enjoyed the conversation with you guys and will respect the wishes and not post anymore reprints for sale on this site.

I still believe an educated buyer wouldn't fall for a reprint but an uneducated buyer might. But these are the same people who respond to Nigerian Chain letters, buy lottery tickets and believe every too good to be true thing that pops up in there lives.

We were all new to this hobby and uneducated at some point. An influx of new people of all ages joining this hobby is the only thing that can sustain it's growth. Saying that it is fine if they get taken by a scam artist because they "should know better" is asinine. I could care less if you want to sell these fakes (in the right section), but your responses to the legitimate concerns of fellow hobbyist should be handled with a bit less crass.

Good Word Finley. Asinine. I had to look it up
 

My crass to the concerns of board members fell right in line of those responses I received after the initial post.

"This is a joke, right?"

"Some board members cringed (like myself) while others defended his right to sell his junk here ..."

"If you are going to sell this crap"

"Besides the fact that this is disgusting"

I was put in a position where I felt the need to defend my post. The Nazi and socialism references were maybe a bit extreme but I had to defend the right to express my civil liberties.

A few things you should know while living in a free democracy just in case you are new to it.
1. If its on TV: Turn the channel
2. If you don't like the laws: Go Vote
3. If you don't like the product: Don't Buy It


I'll end with a quote from one of my favorite political activists.

You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
-Abbie Hoffman-

To Vintage CPA
 

If I understand your screen name to represent what you do for a living I assume you are a CPA. Your profession over the last 10 years have been plagued by immoral acts that did far worse to the nation than a few reprint baseball cards. Hmm... ENRON!!

CPA's do tax write-offs here, have "business lunches" and list attic space as a home office.

It's hard to believe someone who's associates basically dove us into a recession by inflating companies net worth's, cooking books and destroying trust in financial institutions would have such a problem with a few reprints.

Hows your quarterly's looking?

Prior to the unwarranted, idiotic attack on another member's legitimate and honorable profession, I was on the fence as to whether a ban or suspension as suggested by others would be appropriate. I was unreasonably optimistic that the poster could be shown the error of his ways. Obviously, that is not going to happen. The OP is morally bankrupt and has no clue as to the true meaning of the civil liberties he claims to embrace.

How much for the Ruth? :D

LOL. I never thought my professional choice would get ripped on a baseball card forum. For the record, I am a CPA. I think it would be a stretch to blame the latest recession on CPA's (or Enron). I don't know a single CPA that sold a sub-prime mortgage. Yes, when I prepare peoples taxes, there is a certain amount of "writing off" that occurs. But there is this minor detail called the tax code that guides us as to what is legal and not legal. Most everything is in black and white. A very similar code exists with copyright laws. But I'm sure your not interested in hearing about those laws.

So would you say "writing off business lunches or supplies" is governed by black and white or falls under the gray area and can be interpreted in different ways as taking legal copyrighted reprints and altering them to appear aged?

lol

I'm afraid your just too unknowledgeable of the subject to have an intelligent conversation. However, I will answer your question simply for the entertainment value. If you are a business, you are allowed to "write off" 50% of meals and entertainment expenses. You obviously need to provide receipts and have some type of record that the expense is business-related (in the event of an audit). Business supplies can be deducted 100%.

In your case, for your business, you would be able to deduct (write-off) the cost of the legitimate reprint cards and aging chemicals (aka business supplies). If you go to lunch with you reprint card salesperson, you get to deduct 50% of that meal as long as you were discussing business. Not much of a gray area.

You must work for H&R block and don't understand the complexity of today's tax laws and the room built in for interpretation in those laws by lawmakers.

This will be my last post regarding this hopeless conversation. I assume your last post is some sort of personal attack on my knowledge or skills. I'm afraid there are very few CPA's working at retail tax outfits like H&R Block. Most CPA's have their own practice (myself) or work for a larger CPA or private firm. However, I am somewhat familiar with the training and software H&R Block uses. If you walk into your nearest H&R Block and ask the same questions you ask me, you should get very similar answers.

Judging by how vehemently you are defending yourself, I suspect you don't see yourself doing anything wrong. At the very least, if you are going to continue with your current business (and I suspect you will), I would recommend not removing the copyright wording during your aging process. It is the one area that could potentially get you in trouble. Have a Happy Black Friday.

Thank you
 

Thank you for debating on the subject. I was curious to what I would do while waiting for my wife to drag me out to the sales at 3am.

Have a Happy Black Friday as well.

Always do your homework.

reprints
 

I think one of the reasons that many of us don't like these reprints is that we were burned by them when we first started collecting. It might not have been a lot of money but it still stings. Think about wives wanting to buy their husbands a Xmas gift, or parents buying a gift for their children. They probably won't do the necessary research and they may end up buying some of this stuff. Add in kids buying for their own collections, and other collectors who are just getting into cards and the potential for problems increases.

It is the people on ebay who list these as real cards and put them in an auction format that seem to cause the most problems. At least you are selling them as reprints, but they should also be clearly marked as reprints. Maybe buy yourself a red rubber "reprint" stamp and stamp the cards.

Rick

Ive been burned too
 

I've been burned too. Both on a Rolex and some Mantle cards. Well the Rolex was actually my dumb fault. You see I wire transferred the money out of country (this was like 15 years ago) and never heard from or received the watch.

The '56 mantle was my fault. I was an uneducated buyer and got took for $400 bucks. Does it piss me off and make me wanna go burn the SOB's house down. Well maybe. Do I want to start an all out witch hunt and ban everyone selling reprints because of a select few illegitimate people. No

Its like the parents of kids who want to ban guns because the parent left a loaded gun in the house and didn't explain the totality of a bullet through the body. Its not the gun who killed the person its the person that pulled the trigger.

Just like its not the card that took money from you, it was the person you bought it from

Funny, I was wondering to myself today what the cost of buying someones sense of morality would be...apparently it's $5.:D

Good luck with your business model but these are such terrible looking "aged reprints" that I don't think they will be fooling too many people out there-probably a bummer for you. Honestly, I'm not really sure what you are getting out of all this as I don't see it being worth ANYONES time and effort to make these things for the big $5 (shipped) payday that awaits you. How can you attack someone elses profession in any way when you are willing to do this for a mere $5 (shipped)?

What is wrong with a Camry ?

Yikes- I didn't know that this thread was going on until just now...and come to think of it it's a good thing.

This idiot should be banned for any number of reasons, among them posting pictures of Nazis (or whatever), bringing up politics and religion, selling worthless reprints, and all that without posting his name on the board. You can't do this anonymously- that's a board rule.

And the fact that you are clueless about just about everything may not break any rules, but you need to go. Have you ever made a post on this board other than this thread? You need to put these little gems on craigslist, not here.

lol

I was stating a relevant point to the topic at hand. We left on good terms

"Have you ever made a post on this board other than this thread?"

I think the fact that this has turned into a refreshing discussion instead of the original advertisement it was is a neat thing. I believe I have respected the opinions on here about reprint cards and haven't posted anymore reprints for sale on this site. You guys were right, i have not made many sales on here. But I have enjoyed the conversation it has become. You only stay away from politics and religion with family.

A refreshing discussion? It's hard to look away when you see a train wreck ...

...and forums that expressly state in their rules "Politics and religion are not permitted".

Those rules also state "You may remain anonymous as long your post is not controversial or confrontational" - I'm thinkin' that boat has pretty well sailed?

Anonymity
 

Not to excuse some of the nauseating posts by the OP but he did identify himself in his first post very clearly.

Whats this with identifying myself? is there something i didnt complete?

Whats this with identifying myself? is there something i didnt complete?

As a Tax Attorney and not a CPA, I will tell you that you are wrong when you talk about all the Gray Area. The Law is very clear, it is how a person with an agenda (like sheltering as much money as possible or perhaps violating copyright law to make a $5 windfall) can interpret the Law that makes it gray. You can get into all sorts of debates about "What constitutes Entertainment Expenses" and "Meals" if you want to but have those discussions with a certified Tax Lawyer, maybe even one teaches the subject at a Law School, and I promise you the gray fades to nice shades of dark black and bright white. Just because you dont get audited by the IRS and get put in a position where you have to try and defend your practices does not mean the practice is condoned or right.

Just thought I would chime in as someone who knows a thing or two about Tax Law, at least more than the average H&R block worker or maybe an expert without a ton of tact.

Rhys Yeakley
Tax Lawyer
Former IRS Worker
Repro Card Hater

Derek- and I see you did put your first name out there- one of the most outrageous things anyone can do is trivialize the holocaust. When you compare the people on this board asking you not to sell reprints, to Nazi bookburning, you show an absolute lack of understanding history. Why don't you read a book or two about World War II and the holocaust before ever making such a horrific comparison again.

And on a lesser note, when a baseball card has the word "reprint" on the back, never ever remove it. You know that someone down the food chain is going to get burned for paying a lot of money for it because he thinks it may be real.

rarerookies,

I know someone who is willing to buy your cards; money is no object to him.

Coincidentally, he had a similar hobby as yours - he took "reprints" of U.S. currency and artificially aged each piece to give it that well-worn look that you strive for with your items.

The only thing he asks is if you can hold the cards for him until he makes parole in February.

LMK if you are interested...

I thought it was message board received wisdom that when a thread degenerates into Nazi references, it's time for it to go.

My apologies if I missed something, but I only saw a first name - Leon has said, and I quote, you "need to put your full name on the board" when your posts are "controversial or confrontational".

You're correct Karl...but my guess is Derek will not continue posting here.

see Godwin's Law. This one sure didn't take too long!

Wow I figured that you guys were done. ,lol. I'd like to make the statement about whoever thought I brought up the holocaust. Seriously how does murder relate to the topic at hand? I didn't bring up the holocaust I brought up what the nazi's did during there time of control like socialism in ussr or china. Restrict information and tell the people what they can and can't do.

Some of you guys gave those very same views that ignited socialism.
Ban everything that we don't agree with. Next thing i'll hear is you guys are in favor over socialized healthcare.

The Adam Moraine Law
 

Leon: Wasn't there a forum rule regarding the minimum IQ required for posting on Net54?

I'm pretty sure you are correct, but when Bruce "left" the average IQ on both the "active" and "suspended" lists went way up, so we may have some wiggle room here.

I am the one giving historical information and providing facts for my opinions You are the one making slanderous remarks. So if IQ # is the status quo for this board, then maybe you should refrain from posting remarks.

Derek- insults aside, your insight into what is really going on in this country, based on your very misdirected posts, is truly alarming. Why don't you try reading a few books- I know that is a terribly elitist concept- before you start preaching to educated board members about socialism. Thank you.

Derek: When Sarah Palin is President in a couple of years the American Khmer Rouge will round up guys like me, Jim and Barry and shoot us. No worries.

wow
 

So I drove to Houston and back yesterday, to see family. It was 9 hours on the road and we had a good time.
I didn't even see this thread until just now. For the record the original poster registered with the name "Derek Masters" so I will assume that is who he is. I am a bit on the fence about what to do with the whole scenario. I don't think banning is usually a good solution.

Derek- we don't talk about politics, religion or anyone's family members on this board. The last one will get anyone banned quicker than anything else. I am against these fakes because, as most have alluded to, eventually they will end up with someone buying the card for their spouse and getting burned, or something like that. Now, if they clearly say "reprint" on them, then I don't have as much of a problem. Also, we have a ton of Jewish members on the board (as well as all other religions and denominations too) so any trivializing of the Holocaust is not going to be well received. Lets keep it about cards and there won't need to be moderating intervention. best regards

David- when Sarah Palin becomes president I will be moving to the Belgian Congo, so they won't be able to find me.

way to catch up on the thread barry!!

attaboy. keep on with those insights

Well, as I suspected we are going to get nowhere. So good luck selling your reprints.

Bump. As the OP said, "great gift idea" :rolleyes:

I don't know if anyone else is in agreement with me, but I think the OP is simply a troll. I believe his only purpose is to stir the pot and get everyone here fired up. Who else but a troll would start his membership here by alienating everyone from the beginning. This site is home to many hobby heavyweights and to insult these people like he does strikes me as confusing, unless he's a troll!