1966 Topps 6th Series/Semi-Hi's
 

Putting together a 1966 set and am wondering as to whether there are any SPs in its penultimate series - do we have any real or faux slits out there I haven't been able to find?

I asked a similar question about the 1967 semis last year and it started quite a thread...

1966 series 6
 

This is a 77 card series, so there will be short prints. I am not aware of any slits, faux or otherwise. Cliff and I have been working on this series for quite a while, but there are very few miscut to work with.

Unless a 1966 Topps 6th Series Slit shows up it will be nearly impossible to ever reconstruct that sheet, whoever Topps hired to cut sheets for that Series did a bang up job compared to all others in that era. I recently did an eBay search of quantities of each card in the 1966 6th Series and I came up with these 27 as definite 4x cards, Stanky, Azcue, Buchek, Lolich, Gibbon, McCool, Face, Rollins, Radatz, Bragan, Barber, Hannan, T John, Ferrara, Simmons, Bennett, Klippstein, McAuliffe, Aaron, O'Donoghue, L Green, S Hamilton, Belinsky, Wilhelm, Stigman, Wynn, Linz, and these 5 as probable 4x cards, Kline, B Rodgers, T Gonzalez, Stuart, B Lee. That's 32 out of 33 4x cards, pretty much all of the remaining 45 cards I didn't list are 3x (SP's).

I’m only working on 1 set (lol) but haven’t noticed anything yet…..only 15 to go!!!

Decided to take a serious look into the 1966 6th series today.

Did pop counts of the cards across eBay, COMC, PSA and Deans, and scoured all of those for miscuts.

I did come upon a couple not previously mentioned here

I think the Aaron shows it was in the #1 slot. There's also a Blefary over Johnny Klippstein, Radatz over Rollins, Carreon over Hamilton and Hamilton over one of the checklists - which puts them in either the #1 or #11 slot.

The lack of miscuts is amazing - absolutely nothing side-to-side, save the Aaron.

With 77 cards, do we think there is a 3x - 4x pattern?

From the numbers I ran, I feel safe saying the 3xs include:
Moeller
Brandon/Foy
Blefary
Buford
McDowell
Skinner
Boccabella/Dowling
Richardson
A's Team
Walker/Fryman
Bunker
Edwards
Wood

Similarly, I think these are in the 4xs:
Stanky
Azcue
Buchek
Gibbon
McCool
Face
Radatz
Bragan
Hannan
Bennett
Klippstein
McAuliffe
O'Donoghue
Green
Belinsky
Wilhelm
Stigman
Wynn
Linz


Any and all information or speculation on the arrangement of cards on the 6th series slits, and certainly any miscuts, would be appreciated!

Nice finds! I wish we could do the 1966 Topps 6th Series sheet but there are absolutely no horizontal miscuts which makes it just about impossible. Kevin says the 1965 Topps 6th Series is just as bad if not worse.

Here's an interesting one. O'Donoghue is definitely a 4x, I have a miscut of him under either a Red or a Twin, and then I have a miscut of a O'Donoghue under a Met or a Athletic. That means the row with O'Donoghue has different rows above it over the two Slits.

These are the only two horizontal combos I have, Dick McAuliffe is to the right of Johnny Klippstein and probably Bill McCool is to the right of Dick Ellsworth.

1966 Topps 6th series
 

From that MC, how would ypou distinguish between McCool or Oliva? The grass color?

I originally put McCool but then I realized McCool is a 4x and Ellsworth is more than likely a 3x so I changed it to Oliva. We may never know exactly who it is.

There is still hope :D! This is the first severely horizontal miscut 1966 6th Series card I have run across so hopefully more show up. Phil Linz is to the right of Lenny Green on a 4x row.

1966 semi high
 

Linz should be below a senator or giant

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After doing a bit more work and another review of available images on eBay I've been able to place Aaron above Buford on one of the slits by working the back and front of this Aaron and all possible White Sox and Cubs (this makes Aaron, Buford, Moeller and Latman in the column 1 position).

Also, I was able to ID the card above the O'Donoghue previously posted as Manny Jimenez after comparing the reverses of all possible Mets and A's.

Finally, I think the Wynn here is enough of a miscut to say that on at least one of the slits he was on the top row - agree?

Also, Grady Hatton sits over the A's or Phillies team card on one or both slits:

It's not the Phillies Team card, it has a regular player card above it. Jiminez is definitely to the left of the Phillies Team card.

Great work! Now if we can figure out who the Brave or Angel is above Jiminez...:D

1966 series 6
 

I think Nuxhall is in Col 1

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1966 series 6
 

So then I run into issues because, if Nuxhall is a left edge card, then Fox must also be.

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1966 series 6
 

The issue I have is that I also thought Bob Skinner, 471, was a left edge card. and was above Aaron via these two miscuts, which doesn't allow that card to be Buford.

I had Nuxhall, Fox, Aaron, Moeller, Skinner as lead cards.

I also thought there was a miscut with Buford below Azcue, so if Buford is a left edge card, then Azcue would be as well, (plus Latman), so I have too many left edge cards.

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Upon further review - I retract my Aaron over Buford declaration, which removes both Buford and Latman from column 1.

What happened, and it's clear if you look at the images I posted above, I was looking at the front of an Aaron card with a Cub or White Sox below, and at the back of an Aaron with a slim piece of a card ABOVE, not below. Complete brain spasm on my part.

So, safely in column 1 now are Aaron, Skinner, Moeller, Nuxhall and Fox.

Found this Cannizzaro on COMC.

The only cards which could conceivably be below him, IMO, are Linz, Hargan, O'Donoghue and Belinsky.

From the fronts, it seems highly likely to be Belinsky given the coloration of the sky.

From the reverse, O'Donoghue seems to be close as well, but the color seems too off.

The reason I am not comfortable going with Belinsky is that the horizontal stat category lines seem too close to the edge to be completely missing from the back of the miscut Cannizzaro.

In the image with 4 cards layered together, from bottom to top it's Linz, Hargan, O'Donoghue and Belinsky.

Thoughts?

It can't be O'Donoghue because of the miscuts of him with either a Twin/Red above him or a Met/Athletic above him (which you determined to be Jimenez). I was able to determine it isn't Indians George Banks or Steve Hargan, so that leaves Belinsky and Linz. I have a miscut of Belinsky with a Brave/Angel above him and a miscut of Linz with a Giant/Senator above him so I am comfortable with saying Belinsky is under Cannizzaro but there is a remote possibility that Linz has a different card above him like O'Donoghue does.

Can't be O'Donoghue. Card 501 has a Met/A above him at one place and has a Twin/Red at another place

Linz has a Was/SF above him

The other two, I don't know what card is above. But Belinsky has Wyatt below him

I'm going to put Belinsky below Cannizzaro - the difference in the color of the sky is, I think, too great to be Linz. I was not aware that Belinsky has a Wyatt beneath him - I'll mark that down as well.

This (obviously) isn't scientific or anything (can't get the images to perfectly fit together, mainly due to camera angles), but I did a quick layover of the two cards, and it is quite possible that Bo does fit. The problematic horizontal lines basically end right where the sliver of miscut ends, so it's not definitive either way...


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I will show everything I have of the 1966 6th Series and say who I believe is above, under, or beside that particular card. It will probably take a few posts. Aaron above Moeller, Aaron as left edge (header card), Aaron at the top of a Slit, Aaron at the bottom of a Slit, Azcue above unknown card, B Rodgers with a Dodger/Yankee above him, Bailey with a Pirate/Red Sox above him, Barber with an ?Astro/Oriole? under him, Barber with a Phillie/Indian above him, Belinsky with Cannizzaro above him. Belinsky with Wyatt under him, Bennett with unknown card to his left, Blefary with Klippstein under him, Braves Rookie Stars with Coleman under it, Bressoud with mystery card above it or at the top of a Slit, Buford above Latman, Bunker above Bob Lee, Cannizzaro above Belinsky.

Azcue under ?Rookie Stars card?, Cameron above Dodger/Yankee, Checklist above Wood, Coleman above unknown card, Covington under a Phillie/Indian, Covington above unknown card, Edwards above Carreon, Ellsworth with either McCool or Oliva to his right, Fox under Nuxhall, Friend under a Cub/White Sox, Giants Rookie Stars above a Checklist, Gibbon above Braves Rookie Stars, Gonzalez above Nuxhall, L Green under a Phillie/Indian, S Hamilton above a Checklist, Hannan above Schofield, Hargan under a Cub/White Sox.

Hatton above A's Team card, Jimenez to the left of Phillies Team card, Jimenez under Brave/Angel, John under Twin/Red, K Johnson under a Pirate/Red Sox, Klippstein with McAuliffe to his right, Klippstein with unknown card under him, L Green with Linz to his right, Linz under a Giant/Senator, Lolich at the top of a Slit, McAuliffe above a Twin/Red, McDaniel under a Red Sox/Pirate, Nuxhall as a left edge card (header), O'Donoghue under a Twin/Red, O'Donoghue under Jimenez, Oliva under F Howard, Oliva above Simmons, Phillies Team card under regular player card.

Phillies Team card under Indian/Phillie, Podres under ?Twin/Red?, Radatz above Rollins, Richardson above Rodgers, Richardson under Dodger/Yankee, Schofield above a Rookie Stars card, Simmons under Oliva, Simmons above Ellsworth, Skinner above Aaron, Stigman has a Pirate/Red Sox to his right, Wood above Giants Rookie Stars, Wynn above a Yankee/Dodger, Yankees Rookie Stars above Bressoud, Yankees Rookie Stars under a Red/Twin, Wynn at the top of a Slit.

1966 series 6 miscuts
 

A few more

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Thanks for these!

I have Carreon being over Hamilton because of the placement of the orange field on the reverse.

Process of elimination says it has to be Carreon under Edwards but Carreon's card is pure white to the left of the Orioles banner - so while it has to fit there, there's still an odd anomaly.

How did you conclude Howard was above Oliva? Is there a back image that's just not posted?

Finally - for the Hatton, Jimenez and team cards - Hatton could be over either the Phillies or the A's, no? There's a Phillie back showing a regular player card, but there can be 2 or more different overs and unders for each card.

Why is it the Phillies Team to the left of Jimenez and not the A's?

The Howard banner has a small anomaly

The card above Oliva on the miscut has a bump in the green, I checked every Giant and Senator and Frank Howard matched perfectly. If the team card to the right of Jimenez was the Athletics the color would be purple where I circled it, it is the gray of the Phillies color. I don't remember how I got Carreon under Edwards, I will have to double check.

I did a 1966 6th Series run through Dean's Cards and COMC, nothing on Dean's and only one on COMC but it's a doozy, Vic Roznovsky above Ron Kline.

1966 series 6
 

For those who wonder about such things, here is a summary of the Border/Banner colors, with lettering colors for the 1966 6th series.

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1966 series 6
 

I suspect both checklists from this series are right edge cards. Here are some miscuts for both cards.

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1966 series 6
 

This miscut suggests that Cubs RS (482) is a left edge, which, if true, would make 478, Gonzalez, another LE card.

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And, just in case this hasn't been posted, here is Aaron over Moeller.

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1966 series 6
 

If you look at these two miscuts together, it suggests that Hamilton is above Check 6 on the right edge.

In addition, there is another MC showing 513 above 503, so 513 is most likely a RE card

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That is Hamilton over the 6th Series checklist - his is the only Yankee/Dodger where the loop holding the cartoon extends below the orange block like that.

Some great detective work guys. Amazing !!!

I wasn't tracking a miscut showing Gonzalez in the same column as the Cubs Rookies - is he over or under?

I'm keeping a record of all the over/unders and have well over 30 - I want to sit down and see if it's possible to combine and determine if we have any 7 cards in a single column - won't know which column, but we'd have at least one to build upon.

Looking back at all the over/unders, in addition to having 6 known 1st column cards, we have 6 in another unknown column:

Hamilton
6th Checklist
Wood
Giants Rookies
Carreon
Edwards

Because of the checklist, I'd say it's extremely likely this is the 11th column.

There's another grouping of 5 and one of 4 and then they're all over the place.

The Checklist is guaranteed to be on the right edge (11th column) on the 1966 6th Series Slits.

1966 series 6
 

checklist 7 should also be in Column 11

Here is the Gonzalez MC

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With this, I think we have all 7 LE and RE cards.

LE:
Aaron
Nuxhall
Fox
Moeller
Skinner
Gonzalez
Cubs Rookies

RE:
6th Checklist
7th Checklist
Hamilton
Wood
Giants Rookies
Carreon
Edwards

Please check my 'math', but I think this is accurate.
Granted we still have no idea which ones are on which rows, but still....

If those are correct then three of each column would be 4x and four of each column would be 3x, Aaron is definitely 4x and the two Checklists are 3x, Gonzalez and Hamilton are probable 4x. That would mean one more left edge (header) card and two more right edge cards would be 4x. ETA: After looking at quantities the other 4x card on the left edge is probably either Nuxhall or Cubs Rookie Stars and the other two right edge 4x card are probably Jake Wood and possibly Giants Rookie Stars.

I'm not completely sure how we came up with Wood or Edwards being RE cards. I had the Carreon/Edwards listed a vertical pair, but I can't find the MC where that was firmly established and I have nothing on Wood.

My counts support Aaron & Gonzalez as being 4x, and Nuxhall as being indeterminate, but the other 4 (Cubs, Moeller, Skinner, Fox) as being 3x

I recall seeing a miscut of check 7 (series 6 printing) that has, what looked like a either a team card or Rookie card above it, but the coloring was off (almost looked blue), suggesting a color shift. I don't have that MC though. When I saw that miscut, someone suggested that the card might be a color shifted A's team?? Boy, I wish I had a scan of that MC now.

Lastly (for now), some of these checklists definitely have a red color shift (noticeable because of coloring in the player jersey), which might explain the strange color of the banner above the checklist.

Is it certain that Steve Hamilton is under Carreon, couldn’t it be another Dodger/Yankee with blue sky?

1966 series 6
 

I only have this for Carreon, so it could be Hamilton, Ferrara, Friend, Podres.

Can't be Richardson or Moeller or yanks RS

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Here is Wood over the Giants Rookies and what is all but certainly Edwards over Carreon - when you look at all the other cards it could possibly be, Carreon is the only possibility but there is an anomaly in that the Carreon card has a white space to the left of the Orioles banner - any other cards in the 6th that this image below Edwards could possibly be?

When looking at the Carreon over what I concluded was Hamilton, both the positioning of the visible "S" relative to the letters in "Carreon" as well as the positioning of the orange box on the reverse seems to only be possible with Hamilton, but please take yours and do an in-hand comparison - as much as I want to make progress, I'd prefer to go back to a drawing board than to go down a wrong path.

Pretty certain it can't be Friend with that artificial deep blue behind him - looks like a primitive cut and paste job - must have been some busy or objectionable activity behind him.

Is this Wood under the Checklist?

I think so - the small patch of lighter coloring near the top right is the giveaway, I think.

I think so, as well

You're right. I found the original photo Topps used on the Bob Friend card, and I agree, the background seems to be waaaaaay too busy...

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Oh, the humanity

After looking at blown up scans of the Carreon miscut and comparing it to Steve Hamilton I agree that it is Steve Hamilton under Carreon and Carreon is a right edge card. Next I will have to re-examine the Edwards miscut and see if it is Carreon, I think I originally figured it was the only Oriole/Astro possible from the 6th Series.

Unless that is a color different than the lime green of the Astros and the Orioles it has to be Carreon, no other Astro or Oriole in the 6th Series is anywhere close to the sliver of the card under Edwards.

The only other color it could conceivably be is gray amd no Indians or Phillies match.

I think it is Carreon - by the time you move from the right edge to the left limit of the green banner the space is barely wider than the black border line. By the time you reach the left edge it is no wider. I think you can see some enough lighter patches in between to make the rest of the anomaly the result of the fuzziness of the imahe.

Does this make any sense?

It's from way back in the 1966 7th Series thread in 2020. It won't let me download a scan of it, it's on post #292 of this page. I am assuming it's the Giants Rookie Stars card.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=258947&page=6

Since we pretty much have these established as being correct I would now say the three 4x LE cards are Aaron, T Gonzalez, Nuxhall, and the three 4x RE cards are S Hamilton, Giants Rookie Stars, and (probably) Carreon.

In retrospect, that looks like the Giants RS card above the checklist

1966 series 6 semi hi checklist
 

I was able to download a copy from the older post.

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Frank Howard has a Tiger or Cardinal above him.

Well, it shouldn't be: 471 (LE), 472 (LE), or 509 (RE).

So, that leaves 454 (Buchek), 455 (Lolich), 489 (Simmons, with Oliva above him), 495 (McAuliffe), or 514 (Woodeshick).

We do have a vertical sequence of Howard above Oliva, and Oliva above Simmons, so Howard and Simmons are in the same column. But that close sequence might make it difficult to have Simmons as the card above Howard.

1966 series 6 semi highs
 

Is it my imagination, or does that yellow above Howard appear to extend to the edge of the card?

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I don't think it goes to the edge, but on both these images it certainly extends beyond the Howard image, which is odd enough. If you look at the first Howard image the yellow seems to start further to the left as well, which make is appear the upper card is completely offset to the left by a couple millimeters - that's weird.

I noticed that too, the Howard card might be slightly oversized. ETA: that yellow might be a color separation/registration issue, something to keep in mind later.

I went back and looked through some of the 'indeterminate' miscuts we have and was able to place just this one - Terry Fox is beneath the Cubs Rookies on at least one slit - the Cubs rookies is the only non-player card in the 1st column with Fox.

So, baby steps.

Having some time to kill, I tried something I thought would be non-productive. We have a Dennis Bennett card showing a slight piece of the card to his left.

I decided to take a run through the 6th series so see if it was possible at all to narrow down the possible cards it could be.

Turns out, the vertical and horizontal placement of the trademark line on the orange field cuts the 76 possibilities down to about 6 immediately, and then closer inspection, and comparison with an actual Bennett card for alignment, suggests a single candidate - Al Ferrara.

Take a look and let me know if you think there is any other card you think it might be other than Ferrara.

O’Donoghue is inarguably a 4x card who has two different cards above him, that means at least one of the three 4x rows has two different rows above it and at least one of those rows is 3x because it has Jimenez. I looked at every miscut LE and RE scan we have but unfortunately I couldn’t find any with a different card than what is already known.

I hope you’re right, we need horizontal matches to start linking up the vertical runs.

So fox is below Cubs rs and below nuxhall, correct?

Yes - I believe that's what the miscuts show.

Nuxhall is one of the few players in the 6th Series that has a smaller than normal top oval at the top of the back of the card, Klippstein has the same thing. It is the same size as the Rookie Star cards and the manager cards.

1966 series 6
 

Are you suggesting that Gonzalez is over Klippstein rather than Nuxhall? These miscuts appear to suggest that both the Cubs RS and Nuxhall are LE card, and Gonzalez is clearly under Cubs RS.


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Not at all, I’m saying a sliver of a back miscut of a Nuxhall would be similar to the Cubs Rookie Stars card.

I haven't looked too deeply into it, but last year I did run pop counts for this series across eBay, Deans, COMC and PSA.

Looking at the numbers I came up with I wonder whether there isn't a third level of quantities - like in the 1967 7th series with something like 5x, 3x and 2x or whatever it was. I can't see any clear breaks which would suggest that it can be divided neatly into 3 4x's and 4 3x's. It seems like a steady consistent upward slope in counts from the obvious lowest (Moeller, Cubs Rookies etc. ) to the obvious highest (O'Donoghue, Hannan, Stigman etc.).

I also saw a lot of incongruities between the numbers, particularly eBay and PSA.

You've gone through exercises like this more than I have, so I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.