Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1690056)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Topps-H...wAAOSwmJdZhMtR

Hopefully they will fix this.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1690056)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Topps-H...wAAOSwmJdZhMtR

Hopefully they will fix this.

Originally Posted by irv (Post 1690111)

I'm sure they will be all over it, Peter. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by irv (Post 1690111)

I'm sure they will be all over it, Peter. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by botn (Post 1690087)

There you go again with your agenda beating up on Brentsy. Wait until David James Attorney At Law hears about this!

Originally Posted by cammb (Post 1690125)

What makes you think that the auction house is not aware? It is possible that they know and condone.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1690056)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Topps-H...wAAOSwmJdZhMtR

Hopefully they will fix this.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1690126)

Good to see that all is normal on a Saturday night and that you're being your usual douchebag self, Greg.

For the record, I have never defended bid retractions.

Originally Posted by botn (Post 1690139)

Is there anyone with thinner skin than you on the board? For once, try not to be so predictable.

Originally Posted by botn (Post 1690087)

Over, at least, the last 4 years I was advised and urged to not make a post like this so this comes as a great relief to me that I can finally write this. There is nothing noble in my decision to do this since my name is out there as a consignor with Mastro and associated with items which were identified as shilled but I feel I owe an explanation to those who were harmed and to those who call me a hobby friend. I made a mess so I have to clean it up.
During roughly 2005 to 2009 we consigned a few hundred thousand dollars worth of material to Mastro. Our consignments generally consisted of our more expensive inventory since that type of material did not seem to do as well on eBay—our only other outlet for retail sales AND auction houses like Mastro seemed to be setting record prices. At some point after less than stellar auction results and being completely incensed and frustrated, we decided to protect items rather than allowing them to sell below what we felt were fair values.

At no point did we ever conspire with anyone at Mastro on those bids. We never knew who was bidding on our items or what their bids were. I have no recollection which of our consignments I was the one to place a bid and which my former business partner bid on but since he is no longer here I have to take responsibility for our actions. Sometimes a top all would be placed and other times we would bid incrementally so as to not open ourselves up to being shill bid, as ironic as that might sound. In each instance our bids were made with the intent to buy back the item and a willingness to pay the buyer’s premium, as we did each time we bought back a lot. It did not feel right doing this but I never thought of it as being illegal.

Not to make excuses but the practice described above, of protecting a lot, was very prevalent at that time even among collectors. I will not call out anyone by name but some are current posters here who would frequently ask me to bid up their auction listings on eBay. I now understand why the government considers this shill bidding however our intent with Mastro was never to defraud anyone but to simply protect what was ours. Obviously we should not have consigned if we were not willing to accept that our items might fall far short of our expectations. I cannot take back what I was a part of but I can be a better person going forward. I am sorry to those I harmed and to those who I have disappointed.

As a side note the list may not be as accurate as the government might think. There are a couple errors that I know of in regards to items identified as my consignments according to my records.

Greg

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1690146)

Not thin skinned, Greg, I just don't like being called out in a thread on which I didn't even post. Do you have some issue with me that you would call me out specifically by name? You obviously have an issue with PWCC and their bid retractions. I don't like bid retractions either because everyone knows that it's just a cover up for shill bidding. But the difference between you and me is that I have every right to voice my opinion while you have absolutely no right...

It's always funny to me how those with shady pasts are the first to point fingers at others. I like the part though when you try to justify it by saying everyone was doing it at the time. Classy.

Now, do you want to STFU like you should have done originally or do you want to keep going?

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens (Post 1690430)

This user ID has been placed on our block list. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Betsy Huigens
PWCC Auctions

Originally Posted by irv (Post 1690446)

Yet, as of 5:54 am EST, it still shows him as the highest bidder? What am I missing?:confused:

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere (Post 1690449)

But, they can cancel that bidder's bid.

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 1690225)

To be clear it is NOT illegal for an owner to bid on his own items in most jurisdictions that I am aware of. That being said, we have a rule against it as we feel it is unethical, especially in an absolute auction.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1690543)

It would have been nice to see the bids cancelled, but what can you do.

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens (Post 1690430)

This user ID has been placed on our block list. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Betsy Huigens
PWCC Auctions

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1692175)

And yet the same bidder managed to place a bid the next morning (first one on the list). Odd. (Brent's I mean Betsy's message is time stamped 08-14-2017, 12:28 AM.)

http://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/401...p2047675.l2565

Bidder on the 63 Topps:
1***3(1023) $7,601.00 12 Aug 2017 at 5:53:45PM PDT

Bidder on the Unitas:
1***3(1023) $5,100.00 14 Aug 2017 at 9:58:46AM PDT

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1692196)

Even All-Pro offensive linemen miss some of their "blocks".;)

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290 (Post 1692200)

Here is my recommendation. Instead of the useless and worthless rants that have been going on for years, screw with him on listings. If that's how everybody feels, throw it back at him. Ebay doesn't give a shit, period, they never will, so why worry about the recourse??. This conversation has been stale for years, so shake some shit up.....Make something happen...Leon, I'm sorry if this is wrong, but my God, this is ridiculous...This is a conversation that comes up every two weeks or so...

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941 (Post 1692205)

here is a suggestion: when you see the title of the thread, don't open it. my god, problem solved.

Originally Posted by botn (Post 1693938)

Peter are you in the midst of a work interview in order to secure the apparent vacancy that PWCC has for a dedicated "auction monitor"?

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1693939)

Greg, it took me about 10 minutes to confirm my suspicions here. Ebay isn't as transparent as it used to be, but it provides enough data that it's still possible to fact-check some lies.

Originally Posted by botn (Post 1693946)

But remember some rules do not apply:

"He/she is a very regular bidder and has spent almost $60k with PWCC in the last three months, and has every intention to proceed with the purchase should he/she win the card."

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1693955)

All one can do is shine a light and hope someone cares.

Originally Posted by rjackson44 (Post 1693959)

This will never end

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1694042)

Are there any class action lawyers on the page?

Originally Posted by irv (Post 1694039)

Not a word PWCC speaks can be taken as the truth. :mad:

Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979 (Post 1694046)

...and this is why I'll never consign again and very rarely ever bid!

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1694301)

Very odd as someone contacted me about not paying on a pwcc auction, do to questionable results. He said the blocked him immediately!


:confused::confused:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1694310)

Interesting auction on there now. With 3 days to go, a Mayweather PSA 10 is over 1900 and has been for at least a couple of days. Another 10 just sold last night for 911. I don't get it.

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1694042)

Are there any class action lawyers on the page?

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 1694632)

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

Originally Posted by Neal (Post 1694681)

I would like to see all PWCC hammers be removed from VCP .... not sure if that is possible/ethical however.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1694738)

If you are so inclined, it's pretty easy just to discount them, so not sure I really see the issue. Like gymnastics, throw out the high score.

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 1694632)

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290 (Post 1694776)

John- Good luck with this, you're pissing in a fan. Ebay doesn't give a shit, period. This topic has been going on for 7 or 8 years, maybe longer...And how is PWCC addressing the issue exactly? This seems simple to me, two offenses and you're warned, the third you're out of here....Is that difficult?

Originally Posted by Buythatcard (Post 1694869)

eBay does give a crap.

Here is where they don't give a crap. On more than one occasion I've had non payers. I can't leave them negative feedback but I can give them a strike (does nothing).

Here is where they do give a crap. Since leaving a strike does nothing, I leave them positive feedback in caps saying that the buyer is a Non Payer. I have received 2 warnings from eBay saying that I can't say anything negative in my feedback about the Buyer. They told me it was against their policies and they then removed the comment.

See, I told you that eBay gives a crap.

Originally Posted by cammb (Post 1695190)

I tried complaining to ebay but I couldn't understand a word they were saying.

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1695208)

I am told by a very reliable, inside source that ebay is working diligently on the bid retraction issue on the whole ebay platform. I think we will see something in the next several months. Ebay takes it's time but they know it's a problem. They are working on it.

Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 1695254)

I am not trying to defend PWCC here. There were times I reported shill bidding to them and they felt that the bids were legit (lol), but these guys are selling like 700 trillion cards every year - how are they supposed to do everything manually? Block him, cancel his bids, block another guy, etc. That would be a crazy amount of work for them. Here is the solution: eBay needs to change their software! In other words, you cannot bid more than three times in any auction.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1694310)

Interesting auction on there now. With 3 days to go, a Mayweather PSA 10 is over 1900 and has been for at least a couple of days. Another 10 just sold last night for 911. I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 1694632)

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290 (Post 1694776)

John- Good luck with this, you're pissing in a fan. Ebay doesn't give a shit, period. This topic has been going on for 7 or 8 years, maybe longer...And how is PWCC addressing the issue exactly? This seems simple to me, two offenses and you're warned, the third you're out of here....Is that difficult?

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1695358)

Now over 2700 with hours to go. 3X what one sold for a couple of days ago. WTF.

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1695387)

He beat Marciano's record last last, I'm sure that's it

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1695387)

He beat Marciano's record last last, I'm sure that's it

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1695390)

That exhibition should not count as a real match. Conor had about as much of a chance winning as a 10 year old girl beating up you or me.

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1695390)

That exhibition should not count as a real match. Conor had about as much of a chance winning as a 10 year old girl beating up you or me.