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thetahat 04-16-2024 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2427020)
It appears to be legit. Unfortunately, it's lost all traces of its grommets....

Grommet pennants seem to range between 1919 and 1939. That 1919 AL Champs White Sox one Jason mentioned ... sold for $34,500! :eek:

For more, see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant

I think there are a few things that suggest a later production, albeit still very old.

1. I have seen a 1915 Phillies version. So the design of the champions pennants do span at least 20 years. They all look very much alike, which would be unlikely if they were making them each year as opposed to a one-time production honoring past champs.

2. There are at least three color variations of the 1920 Dodgers. That’s just unusual for pennants of that period. By the late 1930s companies were making same style/different colors. Browns grommet pennants of this style from the late 1930s and early 40s come in 5 or 6 different colors.

3. The 1915 Phillies is a more “modern sized” pennant, 28-29” long, and not oversized as many/most of the teens pennants were.

None of these points suggest anything certain and I’m probably about 80% confident that these were commemorative pennants made for some event. Maybe the opening of the HOF or the 1939 centennial. That’s just an educated guess.

I have seen, in this style (grommets, design, etc.)

1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

Additionally there are Cardinals (non-champs) dated 1937, 38, 39 and a 1939 Browns, all from this grommet pennant company.

ooo-ribay 04-16-2024 09:42 AM

Great points on the grommet pennants, Greg!

Somehow, I may have missed Kyle’s Pennant Factory grommet. Even though it’s D**gers, it’s damn cool. I love the color scheme.

Do you guys think $600+ was an overpay on the trashed ebay Dodgers? I’m not really a “condition guy” but, OMG, that thing was rough. Given how rare the grommet pennants seem to be, maybe some think $600+ wasn’t an overpay…

….for a grommet pennant with no grommets! :p

thetahat 04-16-2024 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2427098)
Great points on the grommet pennants, Greg!

Somehow, I may have missed Kyle’s Pennant Factory grommet. Even though it’s D**gers, it’s damn cool. I love the color scheme.

Do you guys think $600+ was an overpay on the trashed ebay Dodgers? I’m not really a “condition guy” but, OMG, that thing was rough. Given how rare the grommet pennants seem to be, maybe some think $600+ wasn’t an overpay…

….for a grommet pennant with no grommets! :p

Rob, I thought it was pretty good buy, actually. Even with the uncertain origin and damage.

ooo-ribay 04-16-2024 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2427101)
Rob, I thought it was pretty good buy, actually. Even with the uncertain origin and damage.

OK, then. Even if it was Giants, I don’t think I would have gone that high.

Then again, I’m a cheap ass (just ask Bocca)!

RaiderPennantGuy 04-16-2024 11:43 AM

Searching for rare Raider pennants
 
I'm always in the market for those very rare Raider pennants.


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Duluth Eskimo 04-16-2024 12:08 PM

I thought it was a good deal too. I had set a snipe, but that was to buy for resale. I didn’t win it. Had I wanted it for a personal collection, I would have been willing to go much higher. Those pennants are extremely rare.

Those are some nice and rare Raiders pennants.

RaiderPennantGuy 04-16-2024 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2046476)
Wow cool finding. So they actually used it as a team specific logo. I thought it might have been more akin to the sliding runner baseball pennants where the pennant maker just slapped on a generic graphic. Makes sense if it is mid 60s, probably came after the pennant with the gold printing. I noticed that the Chiefs AFL has two versions, one has a touch of white in the dancing Indian and the other is all red. My guess is that the single-color AFLs came later but Football Rob would have a better idea.


There's a white version of that Raider pennant. I have only seen one but I haven't been collecting that long


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Domer05 04-16-2024 05:08 PM

That graphic has always confused me. Is the raider ... riding a horse?? I get that he has a hook for a hand, and said hook got fouled up on the Raiders logo somehow ... but I always assumed he was being chased by another player/pirate. Now I'm not so sure.

The white felt actually brings the image into focus (even though the image is low res).

Domer05 04-16-2024 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2427062)
I think there are a few things that suggest a later production, albeit still very old.

1. I have seen a 1915 Phillies version. So the design of the champions pennants do span at least 20 years. They all look very much alike, which would be unlikely if they were making them each year as opposed to a one-time production honoring past champs.

2. There are at least three color variations of the 1920 Dodgers. That’s just unusual for pennants of that period. By the late 1930s companies were making same style/different colors. Browns grommet pennants of this style from the late 1930s and early 40s come in 5 or 6 different colors.

3. The 1915 Phillies is a more “modern sized” pennant, 28-29” long, and not oversized as many/most of the teens pennants were.

None of these points suggest anything certain and I’m probably about 80% confident that these were commemorative pennants made for some event. Maybe the opening of the HOF or the 1939 centennial. That’s just an educated guess.

I have seen, in this style (grommets, design, etc.)

1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

Additionally there are Cardinals (non-champs) dated 1937, 38, 39 and a 1939 Browns, all from this grommet pennant company.

I've never seen this 1915 Phillies grommet pennant; or the 1918 Red Sox. Anybody have photos of them??

UKCardGuy 04-16-2024 06:25 PM

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Does anyone have a picture of the 1915 Phillies grommet pennant?

Here's a couple of new pickups. The 64 ASG is pretty tough to find.

Any info on the Boston Pennant would be appreciated.


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