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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Hey Clint, does the horse have a name?<br /><br />Just for you Crandell <smooch!><br /><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/LDL02th72u4"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/LDL02th72u4" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Thanks Jay,<br /><br />You are right about all three of your points.<br /><br />This is what the hobby cares about, I am passionate about it and trying to effect change, and my detractors have done nothing(but attack me).<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Leon,<br /><br />You are absolutely too much--and pretty da___ dumb yourself. How much does Mastronet pay you to say the things you do:)
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Peter- it was the Good Samaritan Law.<br /><br />Jim- I know you like to talk about change, but how are you effecting it? That takes some initiative, and I don't think you are willing to do that. I think you would prefer someone else takes the reins.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />If you will volunteer to be president of the newly formed collectors association I will be vp. I think your main point at our collectors dinner was that we just need to rely on the grading services to get better. What Kevin and others seem to say is that more is getting through--<br />Compared with six months ago or whatever it was, the evidence is even more powerful that the hobby needs some kind of collectors association and that more needs to be done to combat the dealers/auction houses who alter/restore cards and strengthen the grading companies capabilities in fighting this.<br />I read your posts--I can tell you are not enjoying the hobby anymore and are incredibly frustrated--<br /><br />Jim<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Scott Elkins</b><p>from my limited contact with the person, I truly feel that Jim has a love for the Hobby as much as Leon, Jay, myself or any of us do. I don't think it is right to attack a person for wanting the Hobby cleaned up. I think a person should actually be commended for wanting the Hobby cleaned up, unless someone is making money from "cleaning" cards or defending persons "cleaning" cards and trying to deceive bidders!<br /><br />Like I stated before, I am no longer commenting on Mastro and any FBI investigation(s). However, it really is hard to be silent when I see Jim Crandell being attacked for wanting the Hobby cleaned up. Leon states this is b/c Jim is afraid of losing $$$ b/c Jim has several high end cards and some "might" have been altered by these money hungry auction houses. This is the MOST hypocritical statement I have heard in a LONG time! The auction houses altering the cards should be the ones attacked by Leon - not the victim. This is like saying a woman deserved to be raped b/c of the way she was dressed - simply BS! Also, it would be hard to throw stones at Jim over money while defending a paying advertiser I would think!?!?<img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Anyway, it is nice and refreshing to read Barry's posts - a little humor is good in situations like this!<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>So Jim is a bad guy for looking out for his own interests. At least that makes sense. I just had a very civil give and take with Doug Allen via email. Didn't call me reprehensible once. I wonder why he treats me better on this issue than Leon does - who ostensibly has no interest?<br /><br />Peter C, this if for you: these pretzels are still making me thirsty. Does that help?
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Posted By: <b>Glyn PArson</b><p>I think you would seem more credible if you were willing to put your money where your mouth is. You can do this by having some of your cards from the more susceptible sets to doctoring looked at by Kevin. if any are found to have been tampered with you could out the tampering and maybe even out the dealer(s) you got them from if a vast number came from one source. Until then you arent much better then the doctors because you would sell something that you know could be tampered with because you are unwilling to lose money on the item. seems like you want everyone to come clean about doctoring but you are unwilling to do this. If you are willing then i apologize, but i have yet to see or hear evidence that you would do such a thing. Again Jim this is not meant as an attack just an observation.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I am glad you and Doug spoke. I take back everything I said about you <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>And exactly the kind of crap I believe Jay B has despaired of.<br /><br />Jim C, not every thread you'd care to turn into your favourite vent qualifies. This one didn't.<br /><br /><br />And I'm not sure why those who have concerns about Mastro practices are 'people', and those who feel too big a stick is being wielded at exactly this time are zealots? Methinks this is as biased an effort to hammer senselessly and before genuine reason as is being accused of Leon and others who aren't running to dismember Mastro Auctions and its ownership.<br /><br /><br />Daniel
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Even IF anyone altered those PSA cards Jim has it was PSA's responsibility to catch them. They should be financially liable for their mistakes....<br />
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Posted By: <b>Bill Stone</b><p>Peter --to set the record straight the gang was not arrested overseas - they were arrested in Latham, Massachutes.<br /><br />THESE pretzels are making me thirsty.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Glyn,<br /><br />I understand. I don't believe my cards are any more likely to have been tampered with than anyone elses so when it comes time to sell I will sell. If 2% or 4% or 1% of my cards have been altered what will that prove? My collection is with PSA and thats where it will stay.<br />Jim
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Scott,<br /><br />Its funny--you would think I would be praised for what I am trying to accomplish and that collectors could not wait to pitch in with their ideas and help. <br /><br />Anyway thanks. Its all pretty amazing to me but if at the end of the day some good can come out of this to reduce the alteration of cards and strengthen company grading practices it will all have been worth it.<br /><br />Jim
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>ALL PRAISE JIM CRANDELL!!!!!1!
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Posted By: <b>Scott Elkins</b><p>However, I and many others here KNOW that there are certain auction houses and individuals that get preferential treatment from grading companies. I would still think if a card is altered, the person(s) who did the alterations are to blame - know? <br /><br />If I ever decide to alter cards and seeing if I can get them by the grading companies, at least I know I will have one supporter in Leon.<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Crandell....priceless comments from you once again. Your are the heir to the card world throne. <br /><br />Toast your bread on both sides Crandell.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Many thanks--do you have a last name Dave F?
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Its Faust...just like it says under the links section...nothing hidden about it.
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Where's my bag of pretzels? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Barry,<br /> This is why Woody Allen doesn't make movies in NY anymore.....<br /><br /> Have a good National. Be well Brian
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Posted By: <b>Tom Nieves</b><p>Leon,<br /><br />Are you my Caucasian?<br /><br />Tom
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Posted By: <b>Paul "The Hammer" Moss</b><p>Just wanted to add my 0.02 before the thread is locked, however I have nothing substantive to offer which would appear to be in keeping with 95% of the posts so far.<br /><br />Newsflash: There are altered cards in holders. There have been since day 1 of the grading house's doors opening. It's a fact, take it to the bank. No company, or individual is perfect and 100% correct on a consistant basis in any field. <br /><br />Mastro: Wild speculation. Let's make it exciting and fun at least. Could someone suggest that they are rumored to be involved in white slavery and are being investigated for this as well, just to get the ball rolling. How about trading in human internal organs? Until there's some evidence other than some raggedy hack article, I won't condemn or convict. <br /><br /> <br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Leon, I'm a DA for standing up for someone that wants to change the hobby for the better? Hell, for the most part, Jim and I have never gotten along, but I can put that difference aside because what he is trying to do is something good and he should be praised for trying, not vilified. <br /><br />Would I like to see him have some of his cards checked? Sure, but it's got going to make think any less of his goals and what he wants to do.<br /><br />As for your comment about Jim being out for Jim...pot...kettle...black...mean anything to you?<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Now that's a "Curb Your Enthusiasm" quote, from Krazee-Eyes Killer! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Jim, I don't want to be president of anything. I think I will sit this one out. I have too much on my plate right now. Sorry.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Zardoz,<br /><br />On a more serious topic:<br /><br />How are we going to knock Gemmintman from the top of the heep on the PSA Set Registry on 1970 Kellogg?<br /><br />Dav
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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>"On a more serious topic:<br /><br />How are we going to knock Gemmintman from the top of the heep on the PSA Set Registry on 1970 Kellogg?"<br /><br />Yep, that's what I want to know too. I read this vintage, pre-WWII baseball card forum so I can find out the latest on how fierce the competition might be on the PSA set registry for a 1970 3D card set. Such contributions help shape the backbone of the hobby, no doubt.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I was joking--I know Paul from way back when he helped me build that set.
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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Anything of substance in the last 200 posts? I got dreadfully bored long ago.<br />JimB
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Posted By: <b>Dean H</b><p>Hello. My name is Elmer J. Fudd....Millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.<br /><br />I just had to throw my hat into the ring and contribute absolutley nothing. Is it just me or have things gotten out of control??<br /><br />Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>I've been a rascist since the days of Ty Cobb.<br /><br />But I must say the name-calling here is much better than anything I could ever think of. Congratulations. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>my cat is named Rass....do you like him ?<br /><br />quit bickering guys....I like it too much. Presbiterians
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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>I think this thread is ready to be locked !!!<br /><br />Let's get back to talking about cards....
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Posted By: <b>Kenny Cole</b><p>Wow. This thread is like a train wreck. You don't want to look but just can't help yourself. <br /><br />For those who really aren't really interested in the 384 or so bickering threads, I offer this short recap. I do so with the caveat that" 1)it is only my personal take on the bickering; 2) I may have failed to mention some of the bickering (because I think it is negligible in the over-all scheme of thinkgs while those involved may vehemently disagree); 3) I obviously have my own views and biases, which will predictably expose me to criticism from one or more interested parties for the manner in which I set forth the following recap; and 4) this recap is almost as silly as the crap that has preceeded it. With those caveats in mind, here goes my recap of the salient points:<br /><br />1) Mastro is being investigated by the FBI, according to a reporter who allegedly has it in for Mastro;<br /><br />2) Jim C. wants to make the hobby better so long as doing so doesn't affect the grades/prices of his cards. Rightly or wrongly, doing so becomes far less important if the card portfolio may take a hit;<br /><br />3) Leon is protecting Mastro because a) he wants something other than allegations in newspapers by a reporter who purportedly has it in for Mastro before he buys the allegations; and b) Mastro advertises here, as do many other advertisers, an "obvious" but disclosed "conflict of interest";<br /><br />4) There are trimmed and/or otherwise altered careds in slabs, some of which may even be in the venerated PSA 7, 8 or better slabs;<br /><br />5) Some raw cards are altered, which is clearly why they are still raw, since no right-thinking person would own a raw card;<br /><br />6) Grading is good and has saved the hobby;<br /><br />7) Grading is bad and has injured the hobby;<br /><br />8) Peter C. doesn't know anything about criminal law <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>; and <br /> <br />9) Jeff L. does <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.<br /><br />Hope I didn't leave out anyone who now feels the need to attack me or the recap. If I did so, you can rest assured that it was for one of the following reasons: 1) I thought your post was too stupid to make the recap; 2) you were only parroting what someone else had said, which gives you no credit; or 3) the 22 beers I needed to drink while I read all this crap caused me to blink and miss the wisdom being imparted in your post. If it was 3), please feel free to chastise me. However, if that did in fact occur, I do apologize for the oversight in advance. <br /><br />Collect what you want, how you want, and everyone have a good day.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />Kenny Cole
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>You forgot that I can now add DA to go with my Dunderhead title. I guess that makes me a DA Dunderhead <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.
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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>You also forgot to insert a few "alledgedly" into your summary.
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Posted By: <b>P Spaeth</b><p>Jay with my namesake Pete C. I couldn't quite tell were you calling me or him a hypocrite? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>basically I am calling the board in general a bunch of hypocrites. If the title fits, wear it <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.
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Posted By: <b>Randy Trierweiler</b><p>Kenny Cole, you just got my vote for the #1 post in this massive thread.
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Posted By: <b>P Spaeth</b><p>Jay LOL, I'll have to try it on and see how it fits.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Wait -- Pete C and Pete S are two different people? Has anyone actually seen the 'two' of them in a room together?
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Posted By: <b>P Spaeth</b><p>Lichtman, you ARE reprehensible or whatever Leon called you. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>P Spaeth</b><p>The difference between us in a nutshell is that I litigate class actions and Pete C. litigates "class auctions."
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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Oh, oh...Jeff is starting to figure it out. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter
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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>And as for Mastro ... You've only seen the Tip of the Iceberg. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />As Al Jolson use to say:<br /><br />You ain't seen nottin yet!
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Posted By: <b>scott fandango</b><p>DOes anyone know if Mastro still alters ( to try and better) their cards in their auctions still?<br /><br />DId they halt that practice or does that still go on as Doug Allen himself described?<br /><br />i think this is worse than shill bidding , dont you?<br /><br />if shill bidding were the only problem they had, then at least you know the card is not altered--may me more expensive then it should, but its not altered....On the other hand, smoothing out creases or touching up corners is considered altering in my neck of the woods....
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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>Is the rumor true that Mastro headquarters is up on a grassy knoll behind a picket fence?<br /><br />back and to the left.<br /><br />back and to the left.<br /><br /><br />we may be able to solve all of the world mysteries at one time!<br /><br /><br />(edit: nothing constructive or new is happening here. since we are all repeating ourselves... my vote again: Lock it up!)
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Scott,<br /><br />In mine too.<br /><br />I believe that the last time that Doug was on this board he did indicate that they were not doing this anymore. Although as usual he was vague and didn't really answer the questions. Earlier this year I think it was he did admit that they took wrinkles and light creases out of cards as the company "prepared" them for grading.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Glyn PArson</b><p>If they have major cards in their auctions with wrinkles and light corner problems then they are not if they dont have cards with these problems then they probablly are fixing some things. Just my opinion.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Guess what....I run the board.... I take the headaches from people like Jay Behrens and Scott Elkins and Jim Crandall so I get to have the last word. It's a wonderful world. Until something definitive comes out about this alleged investigation I don't think there is much more to add to this. No need to bump this anymore. Enough board members have expressed the same view about locking this that I feel comfortable doing it... After 4 days of talking about this fallacy I don't think anyone but a **** can think I am protecting anyone. ....thanks for playing....<br /><br />edited to be kinder and gentler...
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