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71buc 02-03-2015 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 1375582)
Mike, what a cool pennant! I absolutely love the cloth pennants from the late 60s-early 70s era, they have such a nice texture and feel to them. I've never seen that Pirates pennant before. Unfortunately, on the cloth I can't imagine that the writing can come off without serious damage.

Thanks it is one that doesn't show up on eBay terribly often. This one is the fourth bearing the 1971 Champions text that I have added to my collection. The others are more common. They are the black and white scroll versions and the Three Rivers yellow one. The black scroll version is the most attractive. Other than upgrading this one I have been looking for Steve Blass pennant. I am on the west coast so I'm limited to eBay searches.

Most of the writing did come off. The mustard yellow color is much brighter. However, a majority of the stains remain and are now more visible than ever because of that.

ooo-ribay 02-03-2015 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 71buc (Post 1375592)
Thanks it is one that doesn't show up on eBay terribly often. This one is the fourth bearing the 1971 Champions text that I have added to my collection. The others are more common. They are the black and white scroll versions and the Three Rivers yellow one. The black scroll version is the most attractive. Other than upgrading this one I have been looking for Steve Blass pennant. I am on the west coast so I'm limited to eBay searches.

Most of the writing did come off. The mustard yellow color is much brighter. However, a majority of the stains remain and are now more visible than ever because of that.

I have to laugh....sorry :D. I always ask sellers to ship pennants either flat or VERY loosely rolled. I hope your guy at least gave you a $2.32 First a Class rate. I have had fantastic luck with bleach :eek: on white pennants. What did you use on yours?

I am also not above ironing pennants. The old (quality wool) ones can take a hot iron. The newer crappy polyesters, I iron under a towel...otherwise, they melt!

71buc 02-03-2015 07:39 PM

I considered bleach but feared that it would cause the yellow to fade. I used a copious amount of spray and wash and a small amount of detergent. I washed it alone using a gentle spin cycle with cold water. I then placed it between linen and used a marble roller to remove the excess water. I used an iron to press and dry it so that it would not lose size when it dried. It was a lot of work for such an inexpensive item.:p

ooo-ribay 02-03-2015 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 71buc (Post 1375633)
I considered bleach but feared that it would cause the yellow to fade. I used a copious amount of spray and wash and a small amount of detergent. I washed it alone using a gentle spin cycle with cold water. I then placed it between linen and used a marble roller to remove the excess water. I used an iron to press and dry it so that it would not lose size when it dried. It was a lot of work for such an inexpensive item.:p

I'd love to see the "after." :cool:

Runscott 02-03-2015 09:00 PM

Damn, Mike. Hopefully that will iron out - I am kind of a master of steam if you want me to give it a shot.

Runscott 02-03-2015 09:02 PM

Often when I sell a pennant, the buyer will be anal about specifying how I pack. Now I understand why.

71buc 02-04-2015 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1375661)
I'd love to see the "after." :cool:

Rob, for what its worth here is a before and after

Scott, thanks for the offer but this one was already on life support when it arrived:p

perezfan 02-04-2015 09:16 PM

Nice work! ;)

ooo-ribay 02-05-2015 09:17 AM

Wow! I'm surprised it's even brighter! Do you think it was owned by a smoker?

ooo-ribay 02-09-2015 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1340954)
Same here... and perhaps a few more colleges, but as for the major leagues, it's only the 3 NY teams.

Would love to know where these were sold originally. Something has to explain the combination of high quality and scarcity. Maybe Macy's or FAO Schwarz (higher-end NYC Dept/Toy Stores?)

I'm sure you saw the Red Sox one in the current Huggins & Scott auction....

perezfan 02-09-2015 07:11 PM

Yes Rob... first one to surface (that I'm aware of...) So much for the FAO Schwartz/NYC theory :o

Probably best to discuss in further detail- after the auction! :rolleyes:

mrkrab 02-11-2015 08:19 AM

Let see some minor league pennants! Ill get it started

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws....2ae030e031.jpg

ooo-ribay 02-11-2015 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mrkrab (Post 1378844)
Let see some minor league pennants! Ill get it started

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws....2ae030e031.jpg

Which Tri-Cities are those?

Here's a pretty non-thrilling one:

KrenBats 02-11-2015 02:24 PM

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Just picked this up the other day off Ebay. Love the vintage minor league pennants.

ooo-ribay 02-11-2015 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KrenBats (Post 1379003)
Just picked this up the other day off Ebay. Love the vintage minor league pennants.

They're pretty hard to come by....I've been looking for a Tacoma Giants for quite some time.

thetahat 02-11-2015 04:40 PM

Tacoma Tigers, probably from the teens. Nothing specifically marks it as a baseball pennant but I remember reading somewhere a very convincing argument why this must be a baseball pennant and not for some zoo or tourist attraction.

mrkrab 02-11-2015 07:59 PM

Tri-City=Kennewick, Pasco, and Richland

vintagesportscollector 02-11-2015 08:36 PM

Greg , I love that Newark pennant.

Fballguy 02-28-2015 04:17 PM

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Fballguy 02-28-2015 04:20 PM

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Fballguy 02-28-2015 04:20 PM

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Fballguy 02-28-2015 04:21 PM

<a href="http://s17.photobucket.com/user/tlyght/media/RamsPennant3_zpsf8c379f7.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/tlyght/RamsPennant3_zpsf8c379f7.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo RamsPennant3_zpsf8c379f7.jpg"/></a>

ooo-ribay 02-28-2015 05:01 PM

Nice pennants, Fballguy. I grew up in Ohio (1955-1977) and I have never been aware of the Cleveland Rams!

Leon 03-01-2015 08:10 AM

approximately 23" x 9"

http://luckeycards.com/pbf2premiumalexander.jpeg

mjkm90 03-01-2015 08:53 AM

Fantastic piece Leon and the frame job is terrific:D

Fballguy 03-01-2015 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1385778)
Nice pennants, Fballguy. I grew up in Ohio (1955-1977) and I have never been aware of the Cleveland Rams!

They started in Cleveland and spent their first 10 years there before becoming the first major professional sports team to move west.

Rob

DixieBaseball 03-28-2015 07:45 AM

Nashville Vols
 
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Nashville Vols Large Pennant :

ooo-ribay 03-29-2015 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DixieBaseball (Post 1395400)
Nashville Vols Large Pennant :

That's a beauty! 30" x 12"ish? I love their abbreviation for Southern. :p

perezfan 03-29-2015 06:11 PM

Agree.... Wonderful Vols Pennant... An absolute beauty!

DixieBaseball 03-29-2015 10:40 PM

Vols
 
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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1395797)
That's a beauty! 30" x 12"ish? I love their abbreviation for Southern. :p

Thnx! Yes 30x12ish. The scan is not the best as the color is deep hunter green felt. I think this is late 30s era...

Bugsy 03-30-2015 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DixieBaseball (Post 1396051)
Thnx! Yes 30x12ish. The scan is not the best as the color is deep hunter green felt. I think this is late 30s era...

Unfortunately, I am almost 100% certain that pennant is a 1980s Ebbets Field Flannel repro. It isn't actually a repro since there never were originals of these. EFF made large pennants based on the BF3 mini pennant set. I have the St. Paul Saints pennant, but have seen pennants for several of the teams from the American and Southern Assoc and Intl League.

Bugsy 03-30-2015 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DixieBaseball (Post 1396051)
Thnx! Yes 30x12ish. The scan is not the best as the color is deep hunter green felt. I think this is late 30s era...

Here are three others I found on eBay. I know I have also seen a Columbus Red Birds.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Orleans-...item35e7a09218

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Birmingham-B...item35e7a09249

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Montreal-Roy...item35e7a09239

Bugsy 03-30-2015 10:30 AM

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Not a good scan, but here is the BF3 mini pennant of this one.

While Red Ball did issue large pennants are premiums for Major League teams, they did not for any Minor League ones.

DixieBaseball 03-30-2015 10:34 AM

Thank you!
 
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Originally Posted by Bugsy (Post 1396145)
Unfortunately, I am almost 100% certain that pennant is a 1980s Ebbets Field Flannel repro. It isn't actually a repro since there never were originals of these. EFF made large pennants based on the BF3 mini pennant set. I have the St. Paul Saints pennant, but have seen pennants for several of the teams from the American and Southern Assoc and Intl League.

Thanks so much to the few folks who emailed me. I had a tiny hunch, but wasn't sure as I own a mini BF Red ball with same logo on pennant. I had a ceiling of $69 and interestingly enough the bid went about to my ceiling. Makes me even wonder if the other bidders were schilling me as well. Pennants are not in my wheelhouse of collecting, but I do own a few and I will say the vintage ones I own are not near this nice! The pin hole was a nice touch to throw the scent off. One thing that did it for me was the smell when I got the pennant. It had no smell. All my vintage stuff has "that smell!" Thanks again - I will be returning this to shipper or full refund. :)

DixieBaseball 03-30-2015 10:46 AM

1980's EBB Reproductions
 
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I guess Ebbetts reproduced all the Southern Association from 1936-39 Red Ball : I have now seen Pelicans, Barons, and Vols with spot on same image on Large pennant. (Thnx again for sharing your knowledge!) Here are my "original" Vols pennants + Southern Association sets of Mini's (They are same image as Large reproductions):

ooo-ribay 03-30-2015 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DixieBaseball (Post 1396155)
Thanks so much to the few folks who emailed me. I had a tiny hunch, but wasn't sure as I own a mini BF Red ball with same logo on pennant. I had a ceiling of $69 and interestingly enough the bid went about to my ceiling. Makes me even wonder if the other bidders were schilling me as well. Pennants are not in my wheelhouse of collecting, but I do own a few and I will say the vintage ones I own are not near this nice! The pin hole was a nice touch to throw the scent off. One thing that did it for me was the smell when I got the pennant. It had no smell. All my vintage stuff has "that smell!" Thanks again - I will be returning this to shipper or full refund. :)

$69 seems to be around the going rate for those....if it had been a true 1930's pennant, I think you'd have paid in the hundreds of dollars, depending on how much competition you generally have for Nashville stuff.

Duluth Eskimo 03-30-2015 11:11 PM

Kudos to Jeremy for not getting defensive and looking at it constructively. I had not had a chance to email you back when you answered me, but ironically the "smell test" is one of the things I do when evaluating a pennant like this. All of these newer reproduction pennants will have a synthetic smell instead of a natural fiber (IE: cotton) smell to them. Also, when you manipulate the fabric it responds like a synthetic instead of a pressed natural fabric like most of these were made of. If you still cannot tell, you can attempt to pull the fabric apart. The original fabric will pull apart as it is pressed material where synthetic will stretch, but not pull apart. One last thing you can check is the graphics. When you attempt to crease the graphics the vintage graphics will generally crack, whereas most reproductions will bend and not crack. These "tests" can be manipulated by a forger, but it would take significant effort. If you choose to keep the pennant it will still look nice in your collection. If you choose to get a refund, let me know if you need any help with explaining details to the seller. I think they probably knew what they had though. BTW, those other full size pennants you showed are very difficult to find. Good luck with your collection. Jason

KrenBats 03-31-2015 07:43 AM

1940's Bills Pennant
 
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Recently picked up this 1940's Bills pennant from Keith at AntiqueSportsShop.com. Love the old AAFC pennants.

Teamgluck 03-31-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KrenBats (Post 1396460)
Recently picked up this 1940's Bills pennant from Keith at AntiqueSportsShop.com. Love the old AAFC pennants.

outstanding pennant!

Darner 03-31-2015 03:35 PM

Couple of Phillies minis
 
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I'd like to get some info on these two minis, the approximate date and maybe who issued them.

The green pennant without the ties is 14.5 inches long with the clipped tip. The Egner guide lists it as 1950's but I suspect it's earlier than that and I recall seeing similar pennants for other teams.

The black mini is 4 inches long x 1.5 inches high probably a gum or candy premium but I haven't seen this particular design before.

Thanks!

Teamgluck 04-08-2015 08:21 AM

I was going through ebay and what in the world is this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Da...p2047675.l2557

seems like a strange and unique item (collegiate of ames?)

ooo-ribay 04-08-2015 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Teamgluck (Post 1399397)
I was going through ebay and what in the world is this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Da...p2047675.l2557

seems like a strange and unique item (collegiate of ames?)

Never seen anything like it......but it sure seems like Collegiate of Ames.

unclebaseballmike 04-09-2015 12:08 AM

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Hi, I'm new to the board. Longtime Giants fan and collector. On eBay, I go by unclebaseballmike, and have probably bought and sold from some of you guys over the years.

Long ago I wanted to create a piece that captured Bobby Thomson's moment from 1951. I found one of the "Cinderella Boys" pennants in an auction and added it to a few other elements. I hadn't seen one of these pennants before, but I didn't know it was so rare. I got lucky, it's in really nice shape. If I can figure out how to upload an image here, you'll be able to see the final result. (Because somebody will probably ask, I seem to remember the shop tucking the ties behind the pennant for framing purposes.) It's been one of my favorite Giants displays.

Mike

Bumpus Jones 04-09-2015 04:22 AM

Awesome pennant and display Mike. Welcome to the group!

Teamgluck 04-09-2015 08:09 AM

Great display and welcome to Net54!

unclebaseballmike 04-09-2015 12:20 PM

Banner?
 
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Can a woman's silk headscarf also be a banner? Is this a hobby subset? They have some great graphics... Mike

springpin 04-09-2015 12:28 PM

I'm fairly sure "Collegiate of Ames" was a store in Ames, Iowa that made and sold collegiate items as pennants, tee-shirts, etc.

Scott Garner 04-09-2015 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by unclebaseballmike (Post 1399741)
Hi, I'm new to the board. Longtime Giants fan and collector. On eBay, I go by unclebaseballmike, and have probably bought and sold from some of you guys over the years.

Long ago I wanted to create a piece that captured Bobby Thomson's moment from 1951. I found one of the "Cinderella Boys" pennants in an auction and added it to a few other elements. I hadn't seen one of these pennants before, but I didn't know it was so rare. I got lucky, it's in really nice shape. If I can figure out how to upload an image here, you'll be able to see the final result. (Because somebody will probably ask, I seem to remember the shop tucking the ties behind the pennant for framing purposes.) It's been one of my favorite Giants displays.

Mike

Love the pennant and framing job! ;)
Welcome to net54!

mrkrab 04-09-2015 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Teamgluck (Post 1399397)
I was going through ebay and what in the world is this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Da...p2047675.l2557

seems like a strange and unique item (collegiate of ames?)

I think its some type of book cover or something among those lines.

ooo-ribay 04-09-2015 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by unclebaseballmike (Post 1399741)
Hi, I'm new to the board. Longtime Giants fan and collector. On eBay, I go by unclebaseballmike, and have probably bought and sold from some of you guys over the years.

Long ago I wanted to create a piece that captured Bobby Thomson's moment from 1951. I found one of the "Cinderella Boys" pennants in an auction and added it to a few other elements. I hadn't seen one of these pennants before, but I didn't know it was so rare. I got lucky, it's in really nice shape. If I can figure out how to upload an image here, you'll be able to see the final result. (Because somebody will probably ask, I seem to remember the shop tucking the ties behind the pennant for framing purposes.) It's been one of my favorite Giants displays.

Mike

Mike has some great Giants stuff, based on the small sample I've seen. i have the same pennant in about 1/10th the condition. Please keep sharing, Mike! Do you still have those "things" (no spoiler alert) that are taller than you?


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