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T205 GB 04-12-2018 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by luciobar1980 (Post 1766777)
So you, sitting there in front of a computer, looking at a two dimensional scan, can see all of that, and see it better than PSA?

That's not an insult, just reiterating the facts as you see them.
If it quacks like a duck... spare me the issue. I am not the only one to see it. I also can tell you from the scan that the factory cut is not on that card. I don’t need to hold it to see the obvious that it’s over graded. I don’t give 2 sh!ts if he or anyone else feels “insulted” by my opinion. He is happy with his buy and that’s all that matters. Chalk me up as a “hater” because I can’t afford that card or whatever. It’s not your fight or argument so let sleeping dogs lie.

If the owner wants anything from me he can PM me and we can chat via email or phone. I have no issues explaining anything I see and I am sure other members feel the same way. This board protects the hobby as much as it enjoys it. That’s why it’s like a family here and why so many issues are brought to light. We protect one another and if you think that’s jealousy, insults, slander, libel, or anything else then I must be....what every you say I am.

Hxcmilkshake 04-12-2018 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by orly57 (Post 1766704)
I'm not sure Musial is getting respect here; a PSA FLIP is getting the respect here. That's what I think Pete was referring to when he said it was stupid. I agree that we should not attack other collectors for buying whatever they want, but (Pete correct me if I'm wrong here) I think he was referring to the practice of paying insane amounts for a flip. If you shoved Peter's psa 7 in that 10 holder, the guy still would have bought it for 28k. Thats the Problem. Pete isn't mocking fellow CARD collectors; he's addressing the logic of collecting FLIPS.

I think there is a fine line between insulting fellow collectors and having an educated discussion on a baseball card forum about how wise it is to spend multiple thousands of dollars on a card because of the holder it is in (see the black swamp find thread). Use of the word "stupid" may cross that line, but that's Pete's opinion. Part of the purpose of our forum is to share opinions. I would bet the buyer has a Musial registry and needed the 10. Good for him. He's got the money for it and he needs it to improve his registry. Nothing wrong with that. Problem is that we know that card could be broken out, resubmitted, and get a 9. Then we must ask "is the CARD worth 28k?" At the end of the day, if high grade Musials is what that collector collects, then God bless him. He chose a hell of a player. But do not be mistaken. A PSA 10 holder got the respect here, not the Hall of Famer the card depicts.
Hilarious. You are paying for the number, not the card. Thats why you can debate the merits of a card all you want, but in the end it's a 10 by some guy in psa. His buddy working in the cubical next to him may call it a 9. In the end you pay for it, or not. Thats what grading has done to the hobby. Among other very good things im not slamming grading altogether, but see it for what it is, you pay for the number.

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UFFDAH 04-12-2018 08:02 PM
Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it.

RedsFan1941 04-12-2018 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by UFFDAH (Post 1766830)
Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card.
smart man

MattyC 04-12-2018 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by UFFDAH (Post 1766830)
Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it.
Way to go, man. You saw a card you liked, it happens to cost a bundle, and you're successful enough to bring it home. Rock on.

Peter_Spaeth 04-12-2018 08:38 PM
Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking for an opinion on what to pay for a card, I am likely to ask someone other than the seller.

cardinalcollector 04-12-2018 08:43 PM
Absolutely gorgeous Musial card.

From a Pure Cardinal Collector that appreciates the beauty.

Congrats UFFDAH

MW1 04-12-2018 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by UFFDAH (Post 1766830)
Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it.
Great card! Congratulations! Looks like a PSA 10 to me.

npa589 04-12-2018 09:29 PM
Just wanted to chime in and state that the cliché counter for this thread is at 783. I believe Pete is in the lead with about 13 in one post.

UFFDAH 04-12-2018 09:47 PM
Peter - sellers like Brent, Steve Hart and some others are straight shooters. They build successful businesses because they are trustworthy. No different than my company taking care of our customers/consumers because we stand behind our product, you have to for repeat long term business. Brent does not hesitate to tell me to pass on one of his auction cards if he feels I should be patient and wait for a little stronger example knowing my goals and tastes. Sometimes my itchy trigger does not want to listen to him but I almost always do.

Peter_Spaeth 04-12-2018 09:52 PM
In your opinion. I would call you by your name, but you haven't given it.

UFFDAH 04-12-2018 09:58 PM
Peter - sellers like Brent, Steve Hart and some others are straight shooters. They build successful businesses because they are trustworthy. No different than my company taking care of our customers/consumers because we stand behind our product, you have to for repeat long term business. Brent does not hesitate to tell me to pass on one of his auction cards if he feels I should be patient and wait for a little stronger example knowing my goals and tastes. Sometimes my itchy trigger does not want to listen to him but I almost always do.

Peter_Spaeth 04-12-2018 09:59 PM
You seem to have repeated your post there?

UFFDAH 04-12-2018 10:07 PM
Sorry bout the double post not sure how that happened!!

Peter_Spaeth 04-12-2018 10:09 PM
I thought maybe you were repeating for emphasis. :D

UFFDAH 04-12-2018 10:11 PM
Lol. I'm all thumbs on this cell phone.

Bored5000 04-13-2018 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by UFFDAH (Post 1766862)
Brent does not hesitate to tell me to pass on one of his auction cards if he feels I should be patient and wait for a little stronger example knowing my goals and tastes.
Wait...PWCC tells people not to bid on cards he is trying to auction? I am sure the consigner would love to know that. That doesn't sound very ethical.

Obviously, the consignments that PWCC tells people not to bid on should be labeled as "PWCC low-end."

Republicaninmass 04-13-2018 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bored5000 (Post 1766880)
Wait...PWCC tells people not to bid on cards he is trying to auction? I am sure the consigner would love to know that. That doesn't sound very ethical.

Obviously, the consignments that PWCC tells people not to bid on should be labeled as "PWCC low-end."

Didn't someone mentioned he tells them "just throw in a bid, you won't win it"
:D

Aquarian Sports Cards 04-13-2018 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bored5000 (Post 1766880)
Wait...PWCC tells people not to bid on cards he is trying to auction? I am sure the consigner would love to know that. That doesn't sound very ethical.

Obviously, the consignments that PWCC tells people not to bid on should be labeled as "PWCC low-end."
As an auctioneer if I have a regular customer who has specific needs/wants and he asks whether I think a particular auction lot will meet those needs I, of course, am going to be honest, even if the answer is "no that lot really won't make you happy." There's nothing unethical about the truth, and I don't feel that's in conflict to my fiduciary duty to my consignor.

bobbyw8469 04-13-2018 04:55 AM
I think a lot of people fail to realize that PWCC is just a platform, like Ebay is. These aren't Brent's cards. You do realize that? These are other people's cards. They can just as easily sell them on Ebay themselves just like Brent can. Instead they ship them to Brent because he gets higher prices than everyone else. Think of the novel "The Pied Piper".....sorta the same thing. PWCC gives great service, I get that. A lot of sellers give great service. The sellers/buyers who are cheats/cons get quickly weeded out on this board. I think every member under the sun on Net54 knows about battlefield and all their reincarnations.

Neal 04-13-2018 05:02 AM
Beautiful card and congrats! Enjoy!

Personally, I find the 52 Musial to be amongst the greatest cards ever created.

UFFDAH 04-13-2018 05:25 AM
AQUARIUM --- BINGO!!!!

BOBBY W ---- I learned the hard way about Battlefield when I first got back into collecting. What a hassle pain in the butt that was.

ALR-bishop 04-13-2018 07:15 AM
Musial
 
UfFDAH

As someone who grew up in St Louis in the 50s and got to see him play many times, and experienced the kind of person he was in that community, I congratulate you on getting such a fine example of one of his cards. I collect ungraded sets and would not know a 10 from a 9 but it sure looks like a nice card to me. :).

ullmandds 04-13-2018 07:15 AM
Do i not remember more than 1 long thread where Brent was shown to be less than a straight shooter???

UFFDAH 04-13-2018 07:40 AM
ALR - that is awesome that you got to see Stan the Man play!! He was way before my time but my interest gravitated to the Legends right away in 1981 as a kid when first collecting.

Neal - I agree there are some non-rookie cards that are just iconic and the 52' Bowman Musial is one of them with the image portrayed. Others to me are the 64' Topps Rose, 48' Leaf Babe Ruth, 38' Goudey Joe DiMaggio and for sure others.

Thanks all for the congrats on this string and through PM's. I replied to the PM's just now so hopefully they worked as I am sometimes clumsy on the computer.

Glad its Friday!! Tonight I think I will finally celebrate the card with a cold one. A classic vintage Musial deserves a classic vintage beer and for me I think its gonna be an Old Style!!

Peter_Spaeth 04-13-2018 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Neal (Post 1766899)
Beautiful card and congrats! Enjoy!

Personally, I find the 52 Musial to be amongst the greatest cards ever created.
I would rank it second among Musial cards, to this one.

Stonepony 04-13-2018 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1766981)
I would rank it second among Musial cards, to this one.
To each his own, but I too find the 53 Bowman to be Stan's most beautiful card.

Peter_Spaeth 04-13-2018 09:22 AM
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This one has grown on me as well.

luciobar1980 04-13-2018 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1766981)
I would rank it second among Musial cards, to this one.
It's definitely between these two for me, but the '52 is my favorite. Both really nice.

Paul S 04-13-2018 11:22 AM
Apples-To-Oranges
 
Unfair to compare. 52B is color art reproductions of actual photographs; 53B are stunning poses and photography and is probably my favorite set of the Fifties (meaning today;)), and the 53B Musial pose seems so candid - who can resist?! However, I don't know if it's the reflection of the green paint of the dugout interior or the photographer forgot to bring his light meter, as the color of Stan's face, depending upon which print-run version you are looking at always somewhere between jaundice and Martian. Hence, 52B for me...at this moment.

Anyway, great looking 52B, OP, and congrats.

Eric72 04-13-2018 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1766861)
...I would call you by your name, but you haven't given it.
I was thinking the same thing...especially after reading his opinions regarding particular persons and companies.

Neal 04-13-2018 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1766989)
This one has grown on me as well.
much nicer than the 53 Bowman imo .... and may actually be 2nd behind only the 52B :)

Stonepony 04-13-2018 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 1767061)
I was thinking the same thing...especially after reading his opinions regarding particular persons and companies.
That rule is enforced less often than jaywalking.

swarmee 06-08-2019 07:05 AM
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=106
Altered; he wished he could have had it cheaper. Well, it only cost $3K, 7 months earlier in the PSA 9 holder.

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1886613)
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=106
Altered; he wished he could have had it cheaper. Well, it only cost $3K, 7 months earlier in the PSA 9 holder.
But the flip only said 9 bro. He wouldn't have wanted it.

Leon 06-08-2019 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Stonepony (Post 1767102)
That rule is enforced less often than jaywalking.
The name is there now. Admittedly I missed it before. However, if you think you will lose sleep over some of the board naming issues you can always PM me to alert me and it will be taken care of.
Or you can just throw snarky comments around as you seem to do. It is much better than being helpful, right?

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 07:27 AM
The buyer is aware of the situation and will be refunded.

From BO.

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I am aware through 312. I had already alerted PWCC and PSA. Yesterday PWCC sent me a label to have the card shipped back and I am expecting a refund. Will circle back with the final results once I have them.

bobbyw8469 06-08-2019 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1886613)
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=106
Altered; he wished he could have had it cheaper. Well, it only cost $3K, 7 months earlier in the PSA 9 holder.

LMFAO!!!! Is there a card that this Moser guy HASN'T gotten his grubby hands on??? It seems like he has touched ALL Mantle rookie cards.

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 1886627)
LMFAO!!!! Is there a card that this Moser guy HASN'T gotten his grubby hands on??? It seems like he has touched ALL Mantle rookie cards.
Sadly, Gary is but one of a number of guys who have been at this game for many many years.

calvindog 06-08-2019 07:42 AM
I’m sure the PSA boys are concerned about this card and their iron-clad guarantee.

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1886630)
I’m sure the PSA boys are concerned about this card and their iron-clad guarantee.
This worked just as Sloan said, contact the seller. No hit to the guarantee, unless there is some adjustment between PWCC and PSA.

Dpeck100 06-08-2019 07:44 AM
What exactly was done to the card?

I see a black spot looks removed and the white is obviously now red.

Is this technically recoloring?

For some reason I recall when this listing was up people thought it was trimmed.

MULLINS5 06-08-2019 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1886632)
What exactly was done to the card?

I see a black spot looks removed and the white is obviously now red.

Is this technically recoloring?

For some reason I recall when this listing was up people thought it was trimmed.
Color touch, too

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1886632)
What exactly was done to the card?

I see a black spot looks removed and the white is obviously now red.

Is this technically recoloring?

For some reason I recall when this listing was up people thought it was trimmed.
Yes, there was concern about the card not having at least one rough edge.

swarmee 06-08-2019 07:48 AM
It was; read page 1. Recoloring is fairly obvious once you know where to look.

MULLINS5 06-08-2019 07:50 AM
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the wrestling all star sets were altered

Dpeck100 06-08-2019 07:52 AM
I don't find it odd that in the day of age where you can get rust stains out of travertine tile that there are formulas that will clean a card. I do find it odd that ink of some kind can be added to a card and not be noticeable under some form of black light or magnification.

swarmee 06-08-2019 08:00 AM
Who's to say it can't be detected yet? Maybe UFFDAH can run it under a blacklight for us before he mails it back.

calvindog 06-08-2019 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1886619)
The name is there now. Admittedly I missed it before. However, if you think you will lose sleep over some of the board naming issues you can always PM me to alert me and it will be taken care of.
Or you can just throw snarky comments around as you seem to do. It is much better than being helpful, right?
He wrote that 14 months ago.

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1886640)
I don't find it odd that in the day of age where you can get rust stains out of travertine tile that there are formulas that will clean a card. I do find it odd that ink of some kind can be added to a card and not be noticeable under some form of black light or magnification.
It's like PEDs, the masking technology is ahead of the detection technology.

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1886641)
Who's to say it can't be detected yet? Maybe UFFDAH can run it under a blacklight for us before he mails it back.
I've been told they are able now to avoid blacklight detection.

Leon 06-08-2019 08:08 AM
I never said I was fast.

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1886642)
He wrote that 14 months ago.

bobbyw8469 06-08-2019 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1886648)
I never said I was fast.
LOL!!!! It's ok....I've read this novella before. The tortoise beats the hare.

calvindog 06-08-2019 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1886648)
I never said I was fast.
LOL. Well, I’m guessing he’s had some time to reflect on what he did and has some remorse now.

Leon 06-08-2019 08:14 AM
Yeah, about as much remorse as you have for your escapades.

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1886650)
LOL. Well, I’m guessing he’s had some time to reflect on what he did and has some remorse now.

Exhibitman 06-08-2019 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by UFFDAH (Post 1766736)
For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...e/Lumbergh.png

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 08:21 AM
Bad week for the buyer. A 25K or whatever card he bought exposed as altered, and now his name is outed. What next?

bobbyw8469 06-08-2019 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 1886652)
Don't worry....maybe Moser can work up another '10' for you....in case you didn't like that one.

Goudey77 06-08-2019 08:27 AM
Wow this is awful. I have no words. UFFDAH will fortunately get his refund.

swarmee 06-08-2019 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1886659)
Wow this is awful. I have no words. UFFDAH will fortunately get his refund.
Maybe CGC will slab it for him? I wonder if there's a video that explains it?

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1886659)
Wow this is awful. I have no words. UFFDAH will fortunately get his refund.
He's lucky BO was able to out that card. Most altered cards are not going to be traceable using their methods.

japhi 06-08-2019 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1886654)
Bad week for the buyer. A 25K or whatever card he bought exposed as altered, and now his name is outed. What next?
UFFDAH has a pretty incredible collection, all high grade and I suspect lots bought from PWCC. He posts pickups on the CU boards regularioy.

He has the means to go after PWCC. They coached him to buy this card that was scanned twice and sold twice by them in a period of 7 months, they had to know the card was altered. I hope he goes beyond just a refund, and that the instinct isn’t just to protect his investments.

My guess is folks that have large investments will lay low and work refunds, and these cards will stay in the hobby. I hope someone in the hobby pulls a William Koch and goes public to help clean up the hobby:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/billion...nterfeit-wine/

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by japhi (Post 1886667)
UFFDAH has a pretty incredible collection, all high grade and I suspect lots bought from PWCC. He posts pickups on the CU boards regularioy.

He has the means to go after PWCC. They coached him to buy this card that was scanned twice and sold twice by them in a period of 7 months, they had to know the card was altered. I hope he goes beyond just a refund, and that the instinct isn’t just to protect his investments.

My guess is folks that have large investments will lay low and work refunds, and these cards will stay in the hobby. I hope someone in the hobby pulls a William Koch and goes public to help clean up the hobby:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/billion...nterfeit-wine/
Guys like him are in a position to make a difference here. Presumably this will smash the level of trust he articulated before and he will look closely at his other purchases. As will other guys who have bought all this high end and stickered stuff over the years, at least some of which likely was bad.

swarmee 06-08-2019 08:53 AM
Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1886670)
Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.
I suspect there are lots of high end guys in addition to Nat that have bought very heavily out of PWCC.

Scott L. 06-08-2019 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1886670)
Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.
That struck me as well.

Scott L. 06-08-2019 09:00 AM
I feel really bad for the guy. His genuine joy for owning the card poured through in his posts. One of the worst feelings in life is to really trust someone and have them abuse that trust.

japhi 06-08-2019 09:01 AM
He is a successful guy, he is not going to lose his mind on a message board over a card. He knows he can get recourse.

The concern is his collection is full of these top grade cards, and he is a buyer at almost any price. Brent probably saw him as a mark. One thing to buy cards that were alterted, quite another to be coached into buying altered cards. How many altered Moser cards did Brent walk him into? It would be personal for me.

I feel for the guy, followed his posts in CU he seems like a solid guy that loves the hobby. I hope he shares, at some point, his thoughts on all of this. We need a heavy hitter to step up and shine some light on this.

Peter_Spaeth 06-08-2019 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by japhi (Post 1886676)
He is a successful guy, he is not going to lose his mind on a message board over a card. He knows he can get recourse.

The concern is his collection is full of these top grade cards, and he is a buyer at almost any price. Brent probably saw him as a mark. One thing to buy cards that were alterted, quite another to be coached into buying altered cards. How many altered Moser cards did Brent walk him into? It would be personal for me.

I feel for the guy, followed his posts in CU he seems like a solid guy that loves the hobby. I hope he shares, at some point, his thoughts on all of this. We need a heavy hitter to step up and shine some light on this.
He said, I think, that he also discussed how high to bid with Brent. Ugh.

My own cynical prior comment:
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Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking for an opinion on what to pay for a card, I am likely to ask someone other than the seller.
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Stuff trumps all in this fraud and ostrich hobby.

swarmee 06-08-2019 09:15 AM
Sure is easy to shill once you've told the auctioneer your max bid.

japhi 06-08-2019 09:16 AM
Ya thats crazy, and in this case Brent walked him into a card he must know was altered. How many other Moser cards did Brent coach him to buy? How many other big buyers was Brent coaching? Playing these guys against eachother and making a fortune.

The whole thing is ridiculous.


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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1886678)
He said, I think, that he also discussed how high to bid with Brent. Ugh.

My own cynical prior comment:
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Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking for an opinion on what to pay for a card, I am likely to ask someone other than the seller.
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Stuff trumps all in this fraud and ostrich hobby.

Goudey77 06-08-2019 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1886663)
Maybe CGC will slab it for him? I wonder if there's a video that explains it?
John you and I both know CGC would’ve caught the color touch job. Maybe they should open a card grading division. Out of respect to UFFDAH I won’t spam the CGC video here. :)

bobbyw8469 06-08-2019 09:29 AM
All these cards that are altered. It's sickening.

swarmee 06-08-2019 09:33 AM
Bobby, you didn't get any PSA bulk submission cards from any Mary Goser, did you?

Goudey77 06-08-2019 09:35 AM
A nightmare scenario for sure. This is where the card bubble may cool off or dare I say pop.
As much as I thought this news was isolated to a few social media outlets it has actually gained some good traction beyond the reaches of blowout and net54.

bobbyw8469 06-08-2019 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1886687)
Bobby, you didn't get any PSA bulk submission cards from any Mary Goser, did you?
LOL....no.....not at all.....all my stuff is low grade, and the dollar amount appears to be stuff he is not interested in.

calvindog 06-08-2019 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1886687)
bobby, you didn't get any psa bulk submission cards from any mary goser, did you?
lololololol

bobbyw8469 06-08-2019 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1886693)
lololololol
I'm small potatoes. He appears to like bigger fish.

calvindog 06-08-2019 09:54 AM
He likes any size fish as long as the fish has a wallet.

111gecko 06-08-2019 10:09 AM
This is awful. No refund from Brent; just having him send the card back to him and he sends it to PSA.
PSA has 2 choices: 1) admit they missed the altered card and are stuck with a $ issue, or 2) say they can’t find any alterations and send it back to Brent as good.
Brent is basically out of it?..


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