How can either company remain trusted ?? If PSA fails to take responsibility admits their wrong, and pays back full value for their bad cards I will never trust them again.
I’m sure they will do nothing, very sad and par for the course in this industry. Hope PSA proves me wrong....not holding breath. |
Wow. That’s a lot of submissions.
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The longer the lists the better. Some self-deluding dolts, such as on the CU board, won't open their eyes unless they're hit over the head with a sledgehammer.
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Is there a list of the worst card doctors or people in the hobby other then hauls of shame?
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I once had a tour of the Beckett facility in Dallas. Sitting on the floor in a hallway was an open box of unused holders. I said "I could steal those and grade my own," and the Director of Grading joked "Don't bother. They are BCCG holders."
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So basically we all need to look at our own cards and learn to judge condition and authenticity?!?!?! F***!
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Mantle-Griffey J auto ?
Curious Beckett authentic--Is it possible this Griffey auto may have been added recently to this card and is it authentic, now listed as a auction on Ebay-- its appears signed with a bold sharpie quite different than all other examples I have seen on these dual signed card?
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I visited the site today to see how the fraud is being handled and it looks like the new mod is actually editing user's posts by changing or removing things said. That's a first for me on any forum. The reason the members there will "not open their eyes unless they're hit over the head with a sledgehammer" is because they don't want to lose posting privileges. For most of the regular posters there, that forum is their life and they cannot function without it. |
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Why stop at 10 when you can have...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f45af79a2b.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Crazy how many Gem Mint cards were being graded in those grading sessions, that has to be some kind of record! Yet no red flags!?! That one submission had 23 Jordan RC's in a row with 4 getting Gem Mt, then another has 19 Montana Rc's at one time with 14 getting 9's and the other 4 getting 8.5's! Why would they destroy the registry/pop reports with preferential grades like this for certain submitters? This all just blows my mind, they literally flooded the market with high grade high demand rookies!
This all makes me want to throw up to think of all the people out there that have been screwed by these con artists. These guys really need to do some really long prison sentences! Millions of $$ of fraud going on here. |
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And I may be off the timeline by a few days but the lack of a forum was part of the "NEW" Beckett web site which was teased all during the 2008 National and other ways.
As noted, part of the "NEW" web site was the lack of a forum which was not brought over because it would not be a money making part of the web site. The outcry was so loud that within a week there was a new forum added and it took another week or so for the forum to be easily accessible instead of having to have several steps to find said forum. Needless to say, I bet you could find the details of that debacle in the archives of Net 54 as I was actively posting on both boards in those days. Within a month, the then owners were forced by their bank (read lending institution) to see to Eli Research now known as Entrust and they have remained the owners since then. But the forum debacle might have been the final clue about the true dire straits of the previous owners (who had purchased the company from Dr. Beckett) Just some more non-needed details about how the Beckett forum going away had nothing to do with negative comments. Rich |
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Might this card be in the same category as other doctored cards not disclosing this fact ?-- (the card wasn't pulled from the pack as originally intended by the manufacturer) |
Dryden RC apparently recolored from a 9 to a 10. It looks like the 52B Musial guy bought it.
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I just like that it's the only card with my 2 personal favorite players from different eras on the same card. While I would prefer one that was pack issued with both signatures I could certainly see myself buying one with Griffey added later. Especially if this fact was disclosed and it saved me a few hundred bucks. |
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But I still wouldn't mind with this card for my collection. Especially if I got Griffey to sign it personally at a show or something. |
9 times out of 10 I really don't care about grading; I will buy graded online if all other things equal the price is in line with raw - but this stuff really makes my head spin. I have a Nolan Ryan rookie that is maybe a nice 5 that I was considering sending in to SGC just to get it in a slab - but now not sure I can even stomach doing that. I really wonder if the entire world of TPG's are getting ready to get stood on their collective ear...
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great card, but always thought the drawings were hideous. Too bad as I've debated adding one for a while, but cant find one for a good price
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Technically a (not issued as signed) signed card is altered, but it's really just in its own genre
Some game used collectors like and get their items signed, while others don't and some will go as far as to have authentic autographs removed. |
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And in the era of greed, 80s and after, how many generations of trimmers had a shot at these cards before the motivation to trim went supernova with the rise of PSA, SGC, and BGS? |
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This one IMO is not a pack pulled piece. Real, but UDA gave some of these out as autograph redemption replacements from their vault if memory holds. Came with UDA coa.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Upper-...ss!29654!US!-1 Pack pulled piece IMO https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Upper-...QAAOSwglJc-rjT The pack pulled pieces did not come with COA’s |
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That is definitely a more recent (and authentic) Griffey Jr. signature. |
That's how I remember it now. The cards were issued signed by one, or both. If it's signed by one, it's necessarily authentic. If it's signed by both, forgeries most often are of the Mantle.
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Treat your customers badly and they keep coming back. None of this will touch PSA. |
I might be wrong, but I'm guessing that the people who had faith in PSA might start to question that faith sometime soon.
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There is also the question of how far word of this travels. I did speak today with a guy who most would classify as an investor who does not read the message boards but did see the NYT article. |
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