When corporate shills post here they tend to hyperbole just a tiny little bit.:rolleyes:

Completely agree.

The slab itself is ugly, the wrinkled cellophane is hideous, and the Bar Code has no place in a vintage memorabilia display. By their very nature, bar codes clash with vintage items. I much prefer a simple screw-down holder (which PSA always discourages because of self-serving reasons.).

Terrible picture, but I like how my display came out

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...psxvpoohkt.jpg


I hung it next to this set of early 1900s hand-drawn plays

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...psz9cuhyez.jpg

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Self serving? PSA? Oh my goodness,,, I learn something new here every single day ;);):D
Thanks so much Mark for informing me.

You know what i dont like...Is that PSA couldnt even bother to take the time to put all your tickets in the holders facing the same direction...
That way the barcode is on the same side on every one...So lazy...
Andy

Again, not to defend the TPGs but I was very pleased with the care that PSA took in handling this ticket. The ticket was delicate and very tough to find (I've only seen two of them) and they did a good job for their fee. I felt it was a good value and I am very pleased with the result, especially since I can stop worrying about damaging the ticket with my klutz kung fu:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...s%20Ticket.jpg

Yeah why is it that PSA doesn't put tickets or whatever they slab in the same direction so all the labels are the same way? Makes no sense to just put the item in a slab with no regard to the direction of the label unless the customer asks for it in a certain direction. Say cards all on the right and the rest on left as an example. I have multiple things I wanted to display where the labels were in opposite direction and had to have them reslabbed. I bought the items already slabbed so it wasn't my fault not telling them. Stupid

If I buy something in a slab,,, here is my solution.

All very helpful... seems split 50/50. Quite the polarizing topic. In my view, there is no harm in getting slabbed. And $125 is smart for the investment. The ticket is off to PSA!

Stay tuned!

Grade just popped. Pretty pumped... It got a psa 3. Only 8 copies have registered higher. Can't wait to get it back in the mail!!

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Now it's something it wasn't before.

Hi David
Per the rules, at the top of every page in bold letters, please put your full name in your posts when giving opinions.Thanks.

BTW, I don't think grading a ticket is a bad thing. Heck if it increases the value more than the grading cost I would say it's a win. I picked this one up already graded. Not a ticket, and shown a few times before, but close enough for this argument....

http://luckeycards.com/ppass1903al.jpg

Congrats, and nice pickup.

PSA or not
 

Hi in my opinion getting PSA authenticated does several positive things
and here are the PROS's
most important, A shows its Genuine to the average Layman with the PSA Label noting the event
B: encapsulated which preserves its current condition ,
C: you can show it to all all your friends with out fear of damage or poor handling
D: it will be eventually sold to some one else unless your planning on living for ever or your family will want to cherish it , its not like you went to the game, so it will get at least a Fair shot of maximum price either on ebay or any other of the major auction houses
these are the PROS !!!!!!!!
here are the con's , sorry cannot think of any maybe the paltry minor cost of about $75 to get it authenticated ,

David,
I am not sure why you felt the need to answer this thread again.
Obviously you like slabbing because you work for PSA and have a vested interest in people continuing to do so. My assumption is that you posted so that it would be the last post in the thread that people would read perhaps without reading all the posts above.
If you read many of the posts above you will see how each of your points has been shown to be without merit.

Let me help summarize...
In significant as the majority of the people buying this type of ticket will know what they are looking for.

So can any $5 holder.

So can any $5 holder. Plus if someone is idiot enough to let their friends handle a ticket of this magnitude without it being in some holder they are the ones to blame for any damage.

Considering that research that was done above showed that unslabbed versions of this ticket actually sold for more than slabbed versions, I am not sure how you can actually think it is logical to make the exact opposite conclusion.

Perhaps you can't think of any because you work for PSA in their ticket division.

Anyway, for people reading, slab if you wish. It's your money to spend. I don't see the value, as I would rather spend the money, spent on slabs, to buy more stuff. Either way buy what you enjoy.

Well said!

I can think of a con.... The slabs are ugly.

I started the thread... And I will close it...I got the ticket stub slabbed for peace of mind... It's in a tamper proof case, it got a psa 3 (only 8 graded higher) and it's a great item in my collection! Thanks to all who helped with opinions and thoughts... It's discussions like these that make the community so great!

Now on to the next find:-)

You drank the Kool Aide, Taylor. Only eight graded higher? Oooh... I hope you understand that that does not mean there are only eight better. You have no idea how many may exist in better condition. How many are owned by sophisticated collectors who don't need some spotty-faced kid working for PSA to sell them his opinion.

IMHO items encapsulated are very ugly when displayed, and I usually crack them out if I buy somthing encapsulate. I also try not to waste my money to get things authenticated, graded, etc cause I feel it is a waste of money (I don't sell anything so I'm not worried about increasing the value right now). Besides I trust the opinions of the members on this board way, way more the PSA or JSA. I went to a local card show recently and they hyped up that JSA was going to be there authenticating. They had 2 kids maybe no more then 22 years old authenticating items. I have been collecting longer then that.

fwiw. I get my tickets done by SGC. They don't grade them, just authenticate them. I know they are athentic already, but those cases make any ticket look beautiful and much more presentable. How can you grade a ticket with a clear background? it does not make any sense. nothing stands out. I don't even do it for resell, I do it so everything looks identical and beautifully presentable (OCD)

c'mon guys. if the OP didn't get it graded, he wouldn't have known there are only 8 copies graded higher. i think that's the important part here.

Why is that important? As I said before, that doesn't mean that there are only eight better. It simply means that only eight owners of better tickets--out of all the other better tickets there may be--were needy enough that they had to have their egos stroked by PSA.

same thing with cards... why bother to get them graded? a discerning eye can tell the difference.

Yes, I am well aware that there are not 8 better copies... but I also know that the PSA sample size gives me and other collectors a good idea of where the condition ranges on this stub... maybe my stub isnt 9th best, but based on PSA distribution, you can make the case it is probably in the top 20% condition wise of all copies out there, both graded and non graded

But who's to say those eight are really even 'better'? It depends largely upon which person graded it, and other random factors.

I honestly couldn't tell whether Quan's comment was serious or sarcastic.

No, you can't. You have no idea how many ungraded stubs exist. Nor are the ones graded a random sample. They represent only insecure owners.

sorry sarcasm, should've added :). i'm the last to tell anybody how to spend their money, i just found it funny how stuck on "only 8 graded higher" the OP was he needed to remind us in every post. but if the whole experience makes him happy then money well spent.

personally i think the grading game for cards/autographs is great for flipping. many people won't buy a raw card or autograph, and would often pay 3x-5x for the flip. other than that i don't need PSA or SGC to tell me how real or nice my cards/autos are.

Or owners who like to protect their investment, owners who aren't experts in ticket authentication, owners who are reasonably skeptical of Internet transactions, owners who are trying to profit off of their purchase or even owners who enjoy collecting graded tickets.

I would tend to think that people are more likely to grade the better looking examples and that there would be a disproportionate number of the better looking stubs graded compared with lesser condition examples.

Even better for my graded example!

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Your ticket keeps getting better and better. Without changing at all.

How about the fact that getting it graded shows that it has not been altered.
That would be my concern . I would think a raw ticket off eBay could be trimmed , recolored or doctored in some way. I know of o was dropping a few grand it would be nice to know it was unaltered.

I don't know why people continue spouting the same old stuff. Despite the fact that the TPAs and their proponents keep saying it, getting a ticket graded DOES NOT protect your investment. As a perfect example. the OP bought this ungraded ticket for more than any graded ticket of the same game has sold in the past few years. So how exactly did grading raise or protect the value of his ticket. If anything, the exact opposite happened. His purchase raised the value of theirs.



I tend to disagree with this as well. I think what is correct is that ones sold through auction houses are more likely to be graded as it is the standard operating procedure of most auction houses to grade/authenticate/slab everything they can to try and eliminate any responsibility they have for anything. Plus by promoting the propaganda about how being authenticated makes thing more valuable, they can inflate bids and make more money. The items haven't changed, but the prices have because someone you know nothing about, hiding behind a large corporation, has given their stamp of approval.

For all we know the "someone" is a twelve year old boy who is flipping a coin to help him decide what grade to give.
I have always found it very annoying that they cloak the identities of authenticators behind closed doors and blanket certs. What are they afraid of, daylight is good.

All the tickets that have been linked to this thread have been graded without a numeric grade. A PSA 2 sold ten days ago for $3,900.

https://goldinauctions.com/mobile/lo..._cubs_ticket_s

So there, PSA protects your investment.

Glad you were able to finally find ONE singular example to prove your point.

Just goes to show that there are still some people out there who drink the Kool Aid without asking questions.

Here's the worlds ugliest ticket getting $3,100 because it's a PSA 2:
https://goldinauctions.com/mobile/lo...called_shot__g

It has a program with it, but the program isn't worth particularly much.

If you can find a PSA 3 or higher Called Shot ticket go for less than $2,800 you would have some sort of argument I guess. You seem convinced though, so could you send a link?

Oh, really? It's a scored Game 3 program. It's worth quite a bit.

There's a sucker born every minute.

Just a hobbiest who knows how the world works and isn't bitter about it.

Maybe $500-600. The lot sold for $3,100 so the ticket sold for around $2,500-2,600. Are you saying that this ticket would've sold for more if It weren't graded? It's missing an entire corner and looks burnt. Far nicer raw tickets have gone for less.

There is no reason to continue this discussion with you if you think a scored WS game program from the Called Shot game isn't particularly valuable. If you really think that, then there is nothing else to discuss.
There are many more of that ticket in existence than scored programs from that game. An advanced Ruth or WS collector would likely pay as much, perhaps more, for it than the ticket. The tickets are desirable, but aren't really rare. OTOH, I can't remember ever seeing a scored program from that game. Not being sarcastic, but does anyone know of an example of a scored program from that game being sold previously? IF so, do you know when it was and how much it sold for?

Which leads to entire other point about how stupid ticket grading is. If tickets are graded using the same scale as cards, which is what was posted earlier in this thread, how in the world did that one get a 2? What cards do you know of looking burnt and missing corners that would get a 2? Even more of a sham.

The ticket is worth 2500+ The program is worth aRond $500 ... I've owned 5 or more of both... True only a few were scored... The only other game was game 4 and it was Ruths last w.s. Game that the program could be for if it was unscored.

I find it hard to believe that a scored program from that game is only $500, the same as unscored. Do you have any links to sold ones?

I just realized, the one that just sold in Goldin was also graded a 2. How in the world is it possible that both are 2's? Who graded those and why aren't they being held accountable for this type of nonsense? Is there no quality control?

Scored programs sell all the time:

$637

$650

No bid - $200 minimum

Here are scored program/ticket combos with BEAUTIFUL tickets that all sold for less than the ugly PSA 2:

$500 Less

Also $500 Less

Ok. I stand corrected on that value.
Still $2500 for the ticket is going rate.

Any response on the lack of quality control to the grading?

Valid point I guess that is that .

Not really. I think they do a better job than most, but make more mistakes than they should. PSA numeric grades carry a premium, why? People can be idiots. Those idiots help fund my hobby, so I'm not going to complain.