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Hey WONKA
Have you added T215-1 and PIRATE cards of Danny Murphy (batting) to your wantlist ? :)
Do we even know if Murphy's PIRATE card does exist ? ? TED Z |
Craig W......
Regarding your question...."If the Pirate back version has Brooklyn & Chicago in the caption, or just Chicago."
The Pirate card of Harry McIntyre is the "Brooklyn & Chicago Nat'l" version. Not be confused with Matty McIntyre, who was printed with 2 cards in the Pirate set identifying him with...... Detroit Chicago Amer. TED Z |
Craig
for the sake of clarity, I was the purchaser of the Doolan T215 Pirate card almost exactly two years ago.
For some reason, I thought Scotty used to own it? M |
Searching for a "Pirate" Cobb....show us these extremely rare "T215" cards ?
My, oh my....these dudes must be pretty darn rare. Only two BB guys have appeared......
Doolan (fielding) Pelty Hey Leon, in your quintessential type collection you must have a Pirate BB card ? TED Z |
I would be curious to know
estimates on the number of T215 Pirates out there...
e.g. was the checklist that was created from the set that was sold by Mastro, or was that another grouping? Are there 200 T215 Pirates known, 300? Some different number? I'm just curious if people know of old-time collectors that are sitting on large amounts of these cards, or if most of the knowledge surrounds the near set that was auctioned off. [and where/how the other cards in that checklist were identified] |
Here you go
Goodwin's upcoming auction will have an example:
1912 Pirate Cigarettes T215 Heinie Wagner-SGC Authentic |
Searching for a "Pirate" Cobb....show us these extremely rare "T215" cards ?
Marc S
Regarding your........"I would be curious to know estimates on the number of T215 Pirates out there... e.g. was the checklist that was created from the set that was sold by Mastro, or was that another grouping ? Are there 200 T215 Pirates known, 300? Some different number? I'm just curious if people know of old-time collectors that are sitting on large amounts of these cards, or if most of the knowledge surrounds the near set that was auc- tioned off." My checklist is a combination of cards I've seen, research that I've done, and the list of cards in Mastro's auction. If you are asking what is the total population of these Pirate cards.....that I would not know. I don't think anyone knows that number. And yes, there are veteran collectors that have Pirate cards in their collections. TED Z |
Speaking of reading old threads. Lots of great info in this one. :D
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T215 "PIRATE" Tobacco cards
The "PIRATE" cigarettes were produced by the W.D. & H.O. Willis Co. of Bristol, England, who was part of the British-American Tobacco Company.
American Lithograph printed these cards, and shipped them to the Bristol plant where the cards were inserted into packs containing 10 cigarettes. From Bristol many packs were imported to the Far East. T206 type cards for American militarymen and Asian style pictured cards for Asian people who smoked this brand. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atecigpack.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atecigpack.jpg Check out Jon Canfield's webpage on the T215 RED CROSS & "PIRATE" packs...... http://www.baseballandtobacco.com/t215.htm TED Z |
Searching for a "Pirate" Cobb....show us these extremely rare "T215" cards ?
UPDATED 96-card list (plus Bobby Byrne variation)
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atecigpack.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atecigpack.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...t215pirate.jpg TRADES....circa 1909 - Spring 1912 Bobby Byrne.................from St Louis NL to Pittsburg on Aug 19, 1909 Clark Griffith.................signed a contract in Oct 1911 to manage Washington Buck Herzog.................from Boston NL to New York NL on July 22, 1911 Miller Huggins (port).......from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910 Harry McIntyre..............from Brooklyn to Chicago NL on April 13, 1910 Matty McIntyre.............from Detroit to Chicago AL on Jan 12, 1911 Rebel Oakes..................from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910 Frank Smith..................from Boston AL to Cinci on May 11, 1911 Harry Steinfeldt............1912 Spring training tryout with St Louis NL Ames (hands above head) Baker Ball Bender Bridwell (portrait-cap) M. Brown (Chicago) Byrne (St Louis)..................Byrne (Pittsburg) Camnitz Chance (batting) Chase (trophy) Collins (A's) Crandall (portrait-cap) Crawford (bat) Cree Davis Devore Donlin (bat) Doolan (fielding) Doolan Dougherty (arm in air) Larry Doyle (portrait) Larry Doyle (bat) Dubuc Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding) Evans Evers (bat-yellow sky) Ford Fromme Griffith (bat) Groom Hartzel Herzog...............................New York NL Hoblitzell Hofman Howard Huggins (portrait).................St Louis NL Huggins (hands/mouth) Hummel Jennings (one hand) Jennings (both hands) Johnson (pitching) Kelley Konetchy (glove low) Krause Lajoie (bat) Lake Leifield (bat) Lord Magee (bat) Marquard (portrait) Marquard (pitching) Mathewson (dark cap) McGinnity McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove) Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago Nat'l) Matty McIntyre (Detroit) Matty McIntyre....................Chicago AL McLean Merkle (throwing) Meyers Miller Mitchell Mowery Mullin (bat) Murphy (bat) Murray Oakes................................St Louis, Nat'l Oldring (bat) O'Leary (hands/knees) Paskert Pelty (vertical) Purtell Quinn Reulbach (no glove) Rucker (bat) Schaefer Schulte (back view) Sheckard (glove) Frank Smith........................Cincinnati Speaker Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) Street Summers Sweeney (New York) Tannehill (Chicago) Thomas Tinker (bat) Wagner (bat on right) Warhop Wheat Willetts Wilson Wiltse (portrait) Wiltse (throwing) This is still a work in progress....any team change inputs are really appreciated ? P.S.....Anyone find the PIRATE card of Cobb yet ? :) TED Z |
Ted, it's just silly that you would have Crawford and McIntyre, but not Cobb.
Did this set get aborted prior to completion? Chris - could you ask Tim what his opinion is? :) |
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From chatting with Tim, there is little know about these backs and not sure they have done much digging. Quote:
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"The brand name's longevity explains the survival of multi-themed Pirate cards in reasonable quantities, and the timeliness of the ballplayers accounts for their abbreviated shelf life. Although, for a month or two during 1912, the athletes must have received appreciative glances as a serviceman's momentary glimpse of home, too few were made to allow hoarding and transporting in great-grandfather's seabag. And, by extension, virtually none of the Pirates "mustered out" with their original owners. So few, and from so far away, they're essentially unrepresented among domestic or English attic discoveries of the past, present, or future." |
It's an entertaining write up for sure. I bet we won't see another 96 Pirate find....one million bucks. I'd love to see scans of each card, especially the Hofman.
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Hey Scott
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It looks like this thread has got your curiosity all fired up :) Hey guy, I'm old.....but, not old enough to know why American Lithographic omitted "The Georgia Peach" when they printed these 96 cards. But, stay tuned, I have some additional info on the RED CROSS set and it's "PIRATE" cousins. Perhaps, I will post this tomorrow. In the meantime, if you want to discuss this stuff some more, just give me a call. You'll never know what we can come up with while brainstorming ? Take care ole buddy, TED Z |
The T215-1 Red Cross and T215 Pirate sets each had two printings. There is no evidence these sets were printed simultaneously and a fair amount that shows they were not. They were printed around the same time frame.
Was there a Cobb printed in the Pirate set? At this time there is no evidence I have seen to say that one was. With a set so scarce though, a previously unknown card surfacing wouldn't surprise me at all. |
Searching for a "Pirate" Cobb....show us these extremely rare "T215" cards ?
Check-out a new thread that I am posting on this subject that compares the RED CROSS and "PIRATE" sets.
The checklist of the RED CROSS set is still a work in progress. The checklist of the "PIRATE" set appears to be complete. TED Z |
Well f@ck me. First time I've seen this thread. Do you know how many of these unopened packs I've found and left behind of these? Too many to count. I pass them up while searching antique stores, and I have seen a handful of them. Never knew they had baseball cards. This sucks.
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