Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1877002)

How would you feel when you do an ounce of research and see it was a clean up, pressed out PSA 1....

That had good eye appeal?

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1877002)

How would you feel when you do an ounce of research and see it was a clean up, pressed out PSA 1....

That had good eye appeal?

Originally Posted by felada (Post 1876949)

Is there a legitimate purpose to this thread other than the counter all the negative pwcc threads lately? Why couldn’t this pick up been posted in the pick up thread? Pwcc isn’t the only company with ‘quality’ cards. I get like three catalogs a month filled with them from auction companies.

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen (Post 1876959)

Just my 2 cents - I think novice collectors hear the "Buy the Card - Not the Holder" schpiel over and over and over. I don't think that it sets in tho until much later down the "collecting" path after carefully studying many cards in hand. I know it took me a long time to get that thru my head.

I would suspect that many untrained eyes would automatically speculate this T206 as at least a 7 were it not already in a holder. My 1st glance at this card was a "wow" and then I automatically assumed "crease" because of the holder.

PWCC's target customer consists of way more than us on the boards and as such I don't think their "HE" designations (or whatever else) is necessarily such a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1877020)

Ted, let me ask you a question as well. What if you find out that one of your 1952 Topps autographed card were forged? Or god forbid many of them turn out to be forged.
Would you hold the original sellers responsible (because surely some of them probably knew) or the authenticator? I would mostly be upset by the TPG because they have a “sophisticated” multi million dollar operation authenticating. Can a TPG prove they truly have the tools and qualifications to be in this business?

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 1877064)

While I understand you advocating going back to the TPG for responsibility. Do you really feel a company who is unintentionally failing is more culpable then one that is deliberately misleading customers?

That's a very gentle description of what appears to be going down.

Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1877023)

David, no legitimate purpose other than to take a stance that there are Net54 members who do purchase from PWCC and are comfortable with it.
I’m willing to bet many members here just stay quiet about it because of the social justice warriors turned hobby police is in full force harassing anyone with differing opinions as if this were an Antifa rally.

If there is anything guaranteed in this world it is a good old internet tough guy. It goes back to the beginning of the internet. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Scocs (Post 1876903)

So why is it only a 2.5?

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1877077)

Some surface wrinkles are more exceptional than others.:eek:

Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1877080)

Bingo! This ones got the variety that’s impossible to pickup on a scan or photo. Thank god for the sticker that told me so. :D thanks for the laughs Frank

Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1877089)

as far as i can recall, this is the only card that i have won in a pwcc auction. The first image is an ebay listing image. The second is an image i took when i received the card. Needless to say, the card was returned. I can live without pwcc.

Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1877089)

As far as I can recall, this is the only card that I have won in a PWCC auction. The first image is an EBay listing image. The second is an image I took when I received the card. Needless to say, the card was returned. I can live without PWCC.

Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1877089)

As far as I can recall, this is the only card that I have won in a PWCC auction. The first image is an EBay listing image. The second is an image I took when I received the card. Needless to say, the card was returned. I can live without PWCC.

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1877111)

The good doctor must have been busy that week.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1877122)

I think in the case of Jay's card it was just that the scan did not really show the wrinkles or certainly the extent of them.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1877122)

I think in the case of Jay's card it was just that the scan did not really show the wrinkles or certainly the extent of them.

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1877124)

YES I KNOW...creative scanning instead. I like you go out of my way to show defects...but I rarely sell...not that that should matter!

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1877127)

Damn I need their scanner. Mine shows all the defects.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1876872)

In the pit, without the pendulum?

Edit to add ->->->-> :)

Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1877136)

I tried to scan and take quality photos from all angles. Ultimately unsuccessful in capturing the minor surface wrinkle.

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290 (Post 1877138)

Martin, don't worry about it....Move on....This is your card, forget the piranhas....

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1877129)

Stick it in the vault, and nobody will be the wiser

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1877146)

I don't think any negative comments have been intended for Martin's card.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1877146)

I don't think any negative comments have been intended for Martin's card.

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290 (Post 1877148)

Fair enough Pete, but there is always someone that wants to bring an excited buyer down....Why?.... Bottom line is the card is graded, period....Maybe T3d 5h3rm@n can chime in.....Did I miss any letters or numbers??

Originally Posted by rjackson44 (Post 1877025)

Think its a gorgeous card ,,congrats

Originally Posted by Scocs (Post 1877170)

Congrats on the purchase. My only question is what kind of wrinkle are we talking about that would drop a potential PSA 7-8 to a PSA 2.5?

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 1877185)

When I learned professional photography - I learned that a photographer "makes a great picture" NOT "takes a great picture".
Perhaps now that PWCC has learned professional card auctioning they have learned that great cards are made, not consigned?

That said - Nice pick up to the op and I have sent some non altered consignments for their June auction.

Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1877070)

There are definitely loads of internet tough guys on card forums.

I have had nothing but positive dealings with PWCC. Every transaction was first class.

People can pretend all they want but most of us simply can't not bid on cards in their auctions if we want to keep moving our collections forward. It is what it is. So much of the best material ends up there.

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1877129)

Stick it in the vault, and nobody will be the wiser

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1877146)

I don't think any negative comments have been intended for Martin's card.

Originally Posted by Chicosbailbonds (Post 1877107)

To the OP, that's a beautiful card, congrats. I'm not in the T-206 market, but when I see PWCC, there is that seed of doubt that exists in their items for me.

Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1877367)

Funny you should say that Ted I’m going to buy a spot in the PWCC vault to store my exceptional gems.

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1877372)

I hear that wrinkles cannot be detected in the vault regardless of the technology employed.:eek:

Originally Posted by Goudey77 (Post 1877373)

I even sent an email over to Jackie and Joe at PSA this afternoon to see if they’d consider adding an extra registry point for these PWCC premium labeled cards. Who knows this could be the future of our hobby. ;)