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thetahat 01-19-2024 03:37 PM

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Post #107 on this thread presented this beautiful Twins example …

ooo-ribay 01-19-2024 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2406151)
Post #107 on this thread presented this beautiful Twins example …

I’d love to know if the Twins is 56” or 68.” Seems weird that the Giants would be a foot shorter. Maybe the seller screwed up the description?

thetahat 01-19-2024 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2406175)
I’d love to know if the Twins is 56” or 68.” Seems weird that the Giants would be a foot shorter. Maybe the seller screwed up the description?

Based on the regular sized Twins, the big one looks like it is 68”. And I do think the Giants might be bigger than advertised.

ASCO was a legit pennant company. Those 19” player picture pennants are awesome and highly mysterious. Are there any known checklists? Years of production? A Mickey Mantle sold for near $2,000 awhile ago. Might there be a Willie Mays?

ooo-ribay 01-19-2024 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2406182)
Based on the regular sized Twins, the big one looks like it is 68”. And I do think the Giants might be bigger than advertised.

Agreed. Twins is a monster.

vintagesportscollector 01-20-2024 07:24 AM

Enormous Burgee
 
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Kyle (Domer05) and I were exchanging some thoughts on how much we both appreciate college pennants, and especially the burgee type (fish-tail) style. Thought I would share this scrapbook photo from 1916 of this huge pennant - I estimate it's about 6 ft long.

Domer05 01-20-2024 10:34 AM

I love it Joe. Those felt burgees from the 1910s were so cool. Still waiting for a Notre Dame burgee to surface....

Wonder why the style never really caught on with MLB pennants afterwards? I can only imagine it's because it was more time-consuming to cut one than the standard triangular pennant?

perezfan 01-20-2024 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 2406302)
Kyle (Domer05) and I were exchanging some thoughts on how much we both appreciate college pennants, and especially the burgee type (fish-tail) style. Thought I would share this scrapbook photo from 1916 of this huge pennant - I estimate it's about 6 ft long.

I can't quite make out a Cornell Pennant in that picture, Joe....

Could you perhaps blow it up a little? :rolleyes:

ooo-ribay 01-20-2024 04:13 PM

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I doubt this listing escaped you guys, because nothing much does. I noticed the D**gers pennant. Pretty unusual, I think. I also think it's from probably their first 4-5 years in L.A. The Giants pennant is not rare at all. I think the White Sox is common, as well, although maybe the "White Sox Park" variation?

P.S. Never a good idea for a seller to sell dissimilar pennants as a lot, IMO.

Hankphenom 01-20-2024 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2406349)
I love it Joe. Those felt burgees from the 1910s were so cool. Still waiting for a Notre Dame burgee to surface....Wonder why the style never really caught on with MLB pennants afterwards? I can only imagine it's because it was more time-consuming to cut one than the standard triangular pennant?

I find burgees a bit disturbing somehow, maybe just not used to them. Could be like inees and outees...

Fballguy 01-21-2024 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2406461)
I doubt this listing escaped you guys, because nothing much does. I noticed the D**gers pennant. Pretty unusual, I think. I also think it's from probably their first 4-5 years in L.A. The Giants pennant is not rare at all. I think the White Sox is common, as well, although maybe the "White Sox Park" variation?

P.S. Never a good idea for a seller to sell dissimilar pennants as a lot, IMO.


Actually the Giants isn't as common as you think. This one has better detail in the graphics than the more common version you see all over eBay. There are about dozen of the low quality graphic versions on ebay right now. None of this one....now that this auction has ended.

Speaking of Giants pennants with subtle differences...Did this Giant switch to a low carb diet? He appears to have slimmed down over the years.

ooo-ribay 01-21-2024 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2406640)
Actually the Giants isn't as common as you think. This one has better detail in the graphics than the more common version you see all over eBay. There are about dozen of the low quality graphic versions on ebay right now. None of this one....now that this auction has ended.

I just noticed that strip of orange by the spine on that Giants pennant. What’s up with that?

Duluth Eskimo 01-21-2024 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MK (Post 2406036)
I am elated to have finally acquired this scarce Cubs pennant. I passed on one about five years ago and this is the first one I have seen since. It’s not even in Egner’s Guide. Kind of glad I waited now, as this one is in slightly better condition and was less than half the price of the one I passed on 5 years ago. This is of course the odd “Ebbets Field” version in which someone decided to use the Dodgers home field and pass it off as Wrigley. While numerous Dodger pennants used this graphic, this particular Cubs version seldom surfaces. Maybe it was a limited production, or Cub fans were insulted by the image. Either way, I’m happy to add it to my collection.

Nice pennant and super tough.

MK 01-21-2024 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo (Post 2406704)
Nice pennant and super tough.

Thanks. If another good one shows up in the next 5 years I’ll be surprised.

ooo-ribay 01-23-2024 07:24 AM

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Going back to our recent discussion of various ways photos are affixed to photo pennants....would staples be an original way or was this one done at a later date? If this one is "wrong," does anyone have an example of the proper one? I do like this pennant, with "Souvenir of Shea Stadium," "Let's Go" and Mr. Met.

Fballguy 01-23-2024 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2407211)
Going back to our recent discussion of various ways photos are affixed to photo pennants....would staples be an original way or was this one done at a later date? If this one is "wrong," does anyone have an example of the proper one? I do like this pennant, with "Souvenir of Shea Stadium," "Let's Go" and Mr. Met.

I think it's original...and it seems most instances are teams from New York. I have Giants and Jets pennants with photos affixed like this.

rlevy 01-23-2024 10:21 AM

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Here is an LA one from 1963, stapled.

Rick

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ooo-ribay 01-23-2024 01:01 PM

Alrighty then. Would have been nice if they’d used photos that actually fit the square. :cool:

thetahat 01-23-2024 06:34 PM

Additionally, I’m not sure I recall a picture pennant that isn’t cloth. Maybe the LAD had one on felt? Must be that the glue sticks better on cloth, I dunno …

ooo-ribay 01-24-2024 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Mike (Post 2402795)
Thank you, Rob, Greg, and Mark. I’ve been exchanging emails with Greg and will be preparing the formal dispute on behalf of my friend. I did email the seller and stated our position, citing your specific posts in the thread. He replied last night and was cordial, saying that he read the posts, but he still believes the pennant is authentic and a possible “one of a kind” from 1918.

I will post updates re the status of the dispute, and thank you all again for your time, information, and support.

(Buffalo) Mike in San Diego


I wonder if this ever got resolved?

ooo-ribay 01-25-2024 12:08 PM

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Not the greatest condition, but it was a cheap variation I didn't have. And look...when I put it in a sleeve with another one tassel pennant, they both look complete! :p

Vintagedeputy 01-25-2024 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2407843)
Not the greatest condition, but it was a cheap variation I didn't have. And look...when I put it in a sleeve with another one tassel pennant, they both look complete! :p

Nice one! I am such a fan of all the old New York teams so it’s great to see something like that.

bocca001 01-25-2024 01:53 PM

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We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

ooo-ribay 01-25-2024 02:32 PM

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We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

Is that yours, Marc? It looks like one of your photo presentations. Gotta be pretty, pretty rare.

bocca001 01-25-2024 03:50 PM

Yeah, I went to grad school in Alabama and watched a decent number of baseball games in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham (Hoover). I was there after the Michael Jordan days, which I heard were pretty crazy. Never saw a game at Rickwood. And the price was right on the pennant. I've never seen it or any other vintage Barons pennant before.

thetahat 01-25-2024 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2407862)
We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

That’s really cool Marc. Cool color combination and cloth, too!

ooo-ribay 01-26-2024 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2407888)
Yeah, I went to grad school in Alabama and watched a decent number of baseball games in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham (Hoover). I was there after the Michael Jordan days, which I heard were pretty crazy. Never saw a game at Rickwood. And the price was right on the pennant. I've never seen it or any other vintage Barons pennant before.

FWIW, I just watched a 30 for 30, Jordan Rides the Bus. I never liked MJ (admittedly, for what he did to my Jazz) but I liked him more after watching that little documentary. Terry Francona was his manager :eek: and Tony said MJ could have made the Majors with another full year in the minors, under his belt.

thetahat 01-28-2024 11:37 AM

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Great pickups Mike and Jim. I love the Braves pennants from the 40s/50s.

Did anyone see the Satchel Paige that completed at Heritage last night?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...kedLots-101116

Sold for $1,500 with juice. I hope someone hear got it.

I was fortunate to get this. Was very much on the fence but I thought it was especially cool given the green felt and the Jackie pennant I already have in green. Now gotta find a Doby and the incredibly rare Luke Easter.

(BTW, Heritage ships pennants as if they are shipping a Picasso … it took about 15 minutes just to open! Tip of the cap to them.)

bocca001 01-28-2024 11:45 AM

That Paige pennant is great! Nice pickup.

UKCardGuy 01-28-2024 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2408591)
I was fortunate to get this. Was very much on the fence but I thought it was especially cool given the green felt and the Jackie pennant I already have in green. Now gotta find a Doby and the incredibly rare Luke Easter.

(BTW, Heritage ships pennants as if they are shipping a Picasso … it took about 15 minutes just to open! Tip of the cap to them.)

Congrats Greg. Great pickup. It looks great next to Jackie. The 2 Monarchs teammates back together again.

thetahat 01-28-2024 04:05 PM

Thanks, guys. I’d love to know if WGN made any others besides these two and Doby and Easter.

bocca001 02-02-2024 06:01 PM

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Rob and I just got back from the Houston Tristar show and I was able to buy this very rare Houston Colts pennant from Rick H. I usually avoid pennants with tassel damage, but this one is so rare that I got it anyway. I've never seen it for sale and had only seen a picture of it one other time.

I've posted a pic of the the more common version below the new pickup (although all Colts pennants seem rare)

thetahat 02-02-2024 06:14 PM

Amazing, Marc. Absolutely love it. So incredibly rare.

Vintagedeputy 02-02-2024 08:00 PM

Great Colts pennant, Marc! Tassels or not.

bandrus1 02-03-2024 06:35 AM

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Can I get an option on this guys

bocca001 02-03-2024 07:51 AM

That's a great looking vintage pennant. I know we have some contributors who can say more about rarity (it's rare, I just don't know how rare) and possible value. Might help to see the tip.

bandrus1 02-03-2024 08:03 AM

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That's a great looking vintage pennant. I know we have some contributors who can say more about rarity (it's rare, I just don't know how rare) and possible value. Might help to see the tip.

Only photo I took but it's in tact

perezfan 02-03-2024 11:29 AM

Quite rare and desirable... especially if the tip is still in tact.

ooo-ribay 02-03-2024 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2410118)
Quite rare and desirable... especially if the tip is still in tact.

I thought it looked good, too, but was waiting for perezfan to weigh in...he's much more an expert on the truly vintage stuff than I.

UKCardGuy 02-03-2024 05:46 PM

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Some great pennants guys. bandrus1 did you buy that 1933 Tigers pennant?

My latest pickup isn't as exotic but it's a nice clean example. 1970 Senators.

perezfan 02-03-2024 05:55 PM

Nice Gary! That's got to be one of the rarer Picture Pennants of the '60s - 70s. Nice clean example.... congrats!

bandrus1 02-03-2024 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2410206)
Some great pennants guys. bandrus1 did you buy that 1933 Tigers pennant?

My latest pickup isn't as exotic but it's a nice clean example. 1970 Senators.


I did not as these are not in my wheelhouse but I know who has it and I'm going to try getting it at the end of the month

There is a crazy $ on a cleansweep result for one but my guess is it's an anomaly

ooo-ribay 02-03-2024 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2410206)
Some great pennants guys. bandrus1 did you buy that 1933 Tigers pennant?

My latest pickup isn't as exotic but it's a nice clean example. 1970 Senators.

Nice! How is the photo affixed? It’s a much cleaner look than staples. :p

UKCardGuy 02-03-2024 06:54 PM

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Nice! How is the photo affixed? It’s a much cleaner look than staples. :p

Thanks guys. The photo is fixed cleanly (I'm guessing with an adhesive). I far prefer that to staples.

ooo-ribay 02-03-2024 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2410229)
Thanks guys. The photo is fixed cleanly (I'm guessing with an adhesive). I far prefer that to staples.

OK. So there’s a window cut in the felt. 👌

thetahat 02-05-2024 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2410206)
Some great pennants guys. bandrus1 did you buy that 1933 Tigers pennant?

My latest pickup isn't as exotic but it's a nice clean example. 1970 Senators.

Absolutely LOVE this. Don’t know of any ASCO team picture pennants besides this one and a bunch of Twins.

thetahat 02-09-2024 02:28 PM

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Bought this out of curiosity the other day, to learn (with the much appreciated help of a board member) that this dates to 1908-10 based on the Spalding tag. Detroit Tigers? Missouri Tigers? Will never know I suppose. Though I’m not sure if college pennants with only the mascot name were ever a “thing”.

Mr. Domer, what do you know about Spalding pennants?

ooo-ribay 02-09-2024 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2411637)
Bought this out of curiosity the other day, to learn (with the much appreciated help of a board member) that this dates to 1908-10 based on the Spalding tag. Detroit Tigers? Missouri Tigers? Will never know I suppose. Though I’m not sure if college pennants with only the mascot name were ever a “thing”.

Mr. Domer, what do you know about Spalding pennants?

Cool pennant! The color scheme would suggest Missouri.

Domer05 02-10-2024 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2411637)
Bought this out of curiosity the other day, to learn (with the much appreciated help of a board member) that this dates to 1908-10 based on the Spalding tag. Detroit Tigers? Missouri Tigers? Will never know I suppose. Though I’m not sure if college pennants with only the mascot name were ever a “thing”.

Mr. Domer, what do you know about Spalding pennants?

Well, they definitely offered pennants for sale via their catalogue. And, sometime after 1910 or so, Spalding distributed Reproduction Co.-made collegiate and MLB pennants.

For example, these two were definitely made by Repco; and yet they bore this more contemporary looking "Spalding" label on the reverse....

Why the updated label? It was required (by Repco, no doubt) that the legalese, "Patent Allowed, Patent Applied For" appear on the product to protect the patented method (a.k.a., the "Udall Process") used by Repco to print such detailed graphics on felt.

Domer05 02-10-2024 01:08 AM

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Spalding also distributed other pennant makers' products throughout the 1910s. Here's a 1916 excerpt from one of their catalogues showing that year's offerings....

Note that the model "S" retailed for $1.50. Adjusted for inflation, that's over $40 in 2024 money. So, not cheap!

I've seen other pennants with more traditional Spalding labeling, like yours Greg, and they featured that same woven spine look. I do agree: yours likely pre-dates 1910.

thetahat 02-10-2024 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2411750)
Spalding also distributed other pennant makers' products throughout the 1910s. Here's a 1916 excerpt from one of their catalogues showing that year's offerings....

Note that the model "S" retailed for $1.50. Adjusted for inflation, that's over $40 in 2024 money. So, not cheap!

I've seen other pennants with more traditional Spalding labeling, like yours Greg, and they featured that same woven spine look. I do agree: yours likely pre-dates 1910.

Good stuff Kyle! Thank you.


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