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Okay that was great. So well done Dave thank you. Feller line, Flick/father were funny enough but the Moe Berg line at end? Perfect.
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I am not sure what is funnier, that video or Paul's new name tags.
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Another article about the great work being done here:https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ar-autographs/
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Hey Pat, is this N***e different than the f***f buyer? I'm sure it's the same group or user, but curious to see if it is 2 separate IDs
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When are we gonna start digging into the autographed Goudey stuff ?
If the T 206 were discovered fakes with just a little effort..I wonder how many autographed Goudey cards will turn up ? ...and quite quickly too |
This is fantastic!
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Nice job on the video! Very creative and hits a bit too close to home.
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Agree this is very sad to see fraud at such a scale.
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To answer a specific question that came up...the same buyer on e bay that has been pointed out by Pat R. to be the buyer of the Cicotte and the buyer that purchased the Baker I sold, changed his ID, early March 2015, I saw this change in the e bay history back screens. E bay does keep the accounts together but the letter*****letter coded sequence will be different but the feedback is the same..funny, his feedback just went up one which means there is still feedback being left although there are no longer current listings.
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The Marquard is actually a different ebay ID. I think the rest are all the
same buyer but I will have to go back and get the sales. I think it actually might be unrelated to the rest of them. These are the pre signed sales from the same buyer that I have at this time. Attachment 336187 Attachment 336188 Attachment 336189 Attachment 336190 Attachment 336191 Attachment 336192 |
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Where there is smoke there is fire. If it is this easy to get forged t206 autographs by all the supposed expert authenticators out there, it is likely going on with not just pre-war cards but also all cards and probably all memorabilia. Seems to be alot of hall of fame signed rookie cards being sold over the last few years, such as Mantles, Aarons, etc. They were never that popular but somehow they have become quite prevalent. Also, as alluded to earlier, seems like a lot more signed goudeys have been popping up. The whole "signed" card popularity seemed to have taken off a few years ago and it probably coincides with this perhaps "group" of forgers (perhaps it is one forger but wouldn't surprise me if multiple people are involved). They may even have been the driving force behind trying to pique interest in this niche area and grow its popularity. I just never recall seeing so many signed cards in the big auctions before nor were they very popular.
We are all collectors and this is never good to see. As purely a card collector, I never really got into autograph collecting and as a card purist always preferred cards without markings or autos, but I can see the allure to the autograph enthusiasts of signed classic hobby cards. Seems like fake autographs have a long sordid history in this hobby. But it is definitely reassuring that there are so many smart and amazing collectors out there and on these message boards that are able to "police" the hobby and expose these frauds. |
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The video is simply priceless. Thank you
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I know that PSA will guarantee their grades as far as, If a card is deemed overgraded or not authentic, PSA will either pay the difference in the case of an over grade, or buy it back in the case of an not authentic card.
Does SGC offer a similar guarantee? Wasnt there much speculation about the gretzky Wagner and if the owner would take advantage of the PSA guarantee to the tune of 2.8 million? |
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Im looking at an awful lot of 30s cards that were autographed , especially 1933 Goudey and trying to back- track to find that identical card un-autographed
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What is this alleged forger, Lord Voldemort? Out with the name already!
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waiting to announce because amazon hasn't yet delivered the net54 double order of tar and feathers
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Thoughts on this?
I know the focus has been T206. I was the under bidder on this - Never pursued auto's, but bid on a few in the most recent REA sale - won a couple of 33 Goudey's. Thoughts or history on this 1 of 1 - seems too good to be true.
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This was owned by a member of the board who's had it for at least 10 years. I think it looks good.
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because we all agree getting your pound of flesh should be the no.1 priority? as has been posted by more than one person, relax, you will have plenty of time to cast stones. it sounds like more important work needs to be done first.
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I purchased it from Chris Bland last year and consigned it to REA. FWIW, I lost money on that one. I think the high bidder got a great deal.
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"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." I notice that reporting on crime in newspapers often speeds up the prosecution of crime. Publicizing the name(s) does not affect an investigation into past crimes one iota: the crimes are already completed and the records of them that are likely recoverable from third parties (like AH consignment records) are already in existence. What it might do is prevent someone from getting ripped off. For example, if the info is out there that Joe Shlabotnick is the person who bought the cards under eBay ID "Ohio Forger" then everyone with eBay inventory can block him. Whatever we can do to cut off and frustrate the crooks is a good thing and it starts with information. We ought to be focused on what might protect the most collectors from further scamming ASAP rather than playing Jr. G-Man, and IMO that is maximum exposure of the culprit(s). But that's just my opinion; reasonable minds may differ. |
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I agree with everything you just wrote. Releasing the name of the culprit ASAP would help protect this community (and the public).
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I am doing what I was told would help the most. IF you don't like that I really can't help you. That said, I will check into how law enforcement is doing on this today. If it is business as usual, which isn't that good from my experiences, then I will release the name. If it is going somewhere then I might not reveal it. I only have marginal confidence in authorities working in our hobby due to their lack of being able to take cases to help protect us.
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Presumable the forger(s) know about this thread by now so I doubt their fraud is still ongoing. However, releasing the name(s) may help uncover more fraud. Once the name(s) are posted it is pretty easy for everyone to go back and search prior transactions. Much easier than searching thousands of closed auctions and trying to match up creases and print marks.
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Name? No name? Same difference. My pitchfork is getting sharpened either way.
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However, releasing the name(s) may help uncover more fraud. Once the name(s) are posted it is pretty easy for everyone to go back and search prior transactions.
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This like waiting for Game of Thrones to come back.
Any news? Any new forgeries? There has to be some Goudeys and Exhibits that we can find. |
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A random aside that doesn't really fit in anywhere else - what has always intrigued me is comic book grading. How do you become an expert at THAT? In theory it's similar to cards, but man how many pages are in one comic book? If you take some of the hysteria / extreme measures that are starting to be applied to sports card grading, how long would it take to do that with an entire comic book? Um, we'll have this back to you next year. Wait...is PSA already in this business? ;-) |
Hoping to see identifying information soon of the fraudster such as an EBay iD,name, address etc. Would hate to see new victims with ongoing forgeries while waiting for a name. Releasing this information in fact would help others to identify potential fakes in their collections bolstering a prosecution case while allowing them also to take action sooner in particular with EBay, PayPal return deadlines ticking. I would be very surprised if the scope was limited to T206 cards. I don’t really see how withholding this information would be beneficial unless he/she is an international flight risk.
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