T206-related packs
 

Here's a few

Picked this up a month or two ago. Can't find another one like it anywhere.

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1952 BOWMAN wrapper

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nWrapper25.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sMantle50x.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raMusial50.jpg


And the "genius" Manager who won 5 consecutive World Series Championships (1949 - 1953).
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Ron
 

some nice packs there......

assuming you know
 

That home run tin is new and not a tobacco tin?

I’ve posted this before in another thread and it may not exactly fit the intention of this thread, but what the hell. Here it is again.

It’s what’s left of an embossed side panel to a shipping carton used to ship Cracker Jacks. I have dated it to between 1912 and 1922 based upon the writing content, so right in the timeframe for the 1914-15 CJ issues. The piece measures about 16x20.

I put it in a frame for display purposes.

Really happy to have these. I’d say this is a fairly tough grouping.

An absolutely amazing run Jon !, all five considered significant John W. Carroll rarities. A real treat to see together.

I'm going to derail the thread a bit, I ask for your forgiveness. I believe the chronological order for the LJ packs would be middle pack first, left pack second, right pack last based on several clues outside of the pack fronts. Would be greatly helped if we could find a legible tax stamp cancel on some of these packs but those have yet to be found. Believe all three designs were used for card distribution (1887-1890+), but the 1887 issues (baseball and others) were likely the earliest middle pack, possibly also the left pack.

Jon, do I recall correctly that the left pack is live, was unopened, and contained an N366 card (Language of Flowers) which we know debuted in May 1888 and ran for a couple months. So, the middle pack's use certainly included mid-1888, could have first appeared earlier.

I would greatly appreciate any leads on a copy of the left pack ;)

Not sure if this is previously known information on the Lone Jacks or not.

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Thanks for the kind words Joe. And yes, I actually didn’t mean to place them in order of issue (and your research which you shared with me seems spot on). You are correct that the left pack was full/unopened with a N366 (albeit with some condition deterioration over time unfortunately). Still working on it for you - my letters have gone unanswered thus far!

Pat, I have accumulated many newspaper clips on Lone Jack but not that one. Can you share source and date? I have put a timeline together that shows Isaac Freidenwald from Baltimore, MD produced boxes (1887) followed by Munson & Co. in New Haven, CT (1888) and thus very interested in your source.


Jon, I greatly appreciate your attempt to locate a copy we know is out there, my comment was aimed at others on Net54 who may have or know where that or another example resides.

Sure Joe, Shepherdstown Register (Shepherdstown, West Virginia) December 2 1887.

Wow!, very cool, so there is likely a variant we have yet to lay our eyes on (assuming the contract was executed). The cigarette box manufacturer for John Carroll appears to be as follows:

1887-1890+
1) Isaac Friedenwald (Baltimore, MD) 1887, excluding perhaps the last couple weeks of December
- Boxes known in hobby (only one variant)
2) George B. White (Winchester, VA) from Dec. 1887 to early/mid 1888
- Box not studied, certainly would have unique slide, likely also unique shell
3) Munson & Co. (New Haven, CT) early/mid 1888+
- Two distinct variants

The new George B. White box production run is likley measured in months, pretty rare, even if they were making 5,000 boxes per week as stated. Also possible that the manufacturers overlapped, both under contract at same time.

Thank you Pat for a share that us pack collectors find interesting.

Jon, Ruby was introduced about the same time George B. White produced boxes (Nov 1887 vs Dec. 1887) . . . I think I recall your Ruby being from Munson but might be worth a second check. Would be neat to locate a George B. White box. It is unusual for a cigarette manufacturer to jump cigarette box suppliers so frequently. I'm also surprised John Carroll never linked up with the Whiting box company.

Tobacco Packs
 

Not to derail the thread however, I live in Durham NC and in the Tobacco building they have these displays

This would fall into the "etc" of this thread's topic. I was looking for a box to keep my mid-teens basball cards in, and ran across this sales display box for holding Boston Garters. (there was an obscure card set, evidently baseball cards were packed with the garters)

https://i.ibb.co/hM4RMzM/IMG-3265.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/GT6vDK8/IMG-3267.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/60hbDGy/IMG-3266.jpg

Boston Garter Theme
 

One

Hello Bob,

The first cabinet of cigarette packs/labels seems to be newer (20th century) but the 2nd display has some early smoking tobacco labels. Do you by chance have a close up of the "Canvas Backs" label? Is there more on display than these two cabinets? Thanks for the share!

Packs
 

If I ever go back to the building, I will see, this is all I have for now

For everyone’s benefit, here they are.

Jon, do you know what year Obak cigarettes originated? I know the T212-1's have a 1909 date but I can't find anything on Obak cigarettes prior to late February 1910.

Great Stuff! I can't get enough on the early packs.

Jon's images reminded my of Dheeraj's wonderful collection. Not sure if he has posted on this site, but here's a link to his U.S. pack collection for anyone interested. Plenty of early packs associated with baseball cards.

https://www.dkcigstore.com/collectio...States&page=23

Jeff

Pat - unfortunately I don’t.

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1953 Camel Cigarettes Adv.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lsenAdv25x.jpg


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H235 Goodwin Smoking Heads
 

I wanted to bump this thread as last week I shared a chronological sequence for Lone Jack cigarette pack variants that may be in error . . . I’ve uncovered new evidence that suggests a revision is warranted, research still in progress, I’ll share findings when complete.

It is also only proper that I share something fitting for this thread. I’d like to introduce a near complete run of Goodwin’s Smoking Heads (catalogued as H235). These were issued by two different lithographers, H. Bencke and Major & Knapp. Both issued 8 different smoking heads measuring a bit larger than a cabinet card; 6 of 8 being near copies of each other (nearly same design). I’m missing the blonde girl from H. Bencke for completion.

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=34934

I owe Jay Miller, Henry Moses, and several others many thanks for allowing me to accumulate these.

There are further variations that could be pointed out such as linen backing on some of the examples from H. Bencke. Some of the all cardboard examples (no linen backing) are found with a fold-out stand for easier counter-top display. The H. Bencke style stand is shown below on the left and the more simplistic Major & Knapp style on the right. To find a fully intact and functioning stand is uncommon.

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=34933

While all of these examples advertise “Old Judge” cigarettes, examples have also been found featuring Goodwin’s “Chancellor” brand.

Hi Joe, a little information on H. Bencke and Major and Knapp, I'm sure you know Major & Knapp eventually became American Lithograph. Both company's operated under several different names and also had other partners over many years. H. Bencke was Herman Bencke and he was on his own from 1868-1871 and again from 1877-1888. Major & knapp was under that particular name from 1864-1888.

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In the Spring of 1950, we anxiously awaited the BOWMAN cards. We were not disappointed. Instead we were thrilled to see the very colorful BOWMAN cards.
In the 1st series (cards # 1 - 72) we found Yogi Berra, Bob Feller, Robin Roberts, Pee Wee Reese, Warren Spahn, and Jackie Robinson. In the following series,
I was really excited to get a Ted Williams.


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3rd Series uncut sheet (36 cards)

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...5thSheet6x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...hSheet6xxA.jpg


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wow
 

amazing. No idea how they got a sheet into a wrapper that small. Looks like it wouldn't fit?

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Henry

I've known you for over 30 years: and, you never cease to amuse me.

Wishing you a very Happy New Year.


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1953 BOWMAN Kodakchrome color BB cards and wrapper. Baseball card picture quality at it's best.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erReese50x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nMusial50x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntlesnider.jpg
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great stuff!

Something for the etc.... category and apologies on the quality this is the best my ol' scanner is capable of. (added some pictures via phone camera)

Amazing thread.

I have three baseball related advertising pieces as well as a few other advertising posters from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. I love the advertising lithograph posters of the era. The artwork, colors and how well many of these posters have survived is incredible.

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